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Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 922	Posted - 2012.01.25 05:33:00 - [331] - Quote Sc00by K wrote: and all you bro's complaining about the name changes to prop mods.... the 1mn, 10mn, and 100mn-ness of the new names is far simpler and new user friendly. this game is already loaded with confusion and a vertical learning not-curve. it's already enough that skill points set people far beyond being caught up to. I have no complaints about the 10MN stuff being added to the names. It is the removal of Y-S8 and other names that we have come to love that bothers me. I like the naming of target painters: longer name is better. That makes sense. Alphabetical order of meta 0-4 would also make sense. What would be awesome would be a combination of all three: fanciful names, longer names for better items, and alphabetical sorting in order of meta level. 1MN Afterburner 1MN Beta Afterburner 1MN Cold-Gas Injection 1MN Hyrdazine Thermal Transfer Propulsion 1MN Synchronous Particle Dispersion Yoke Sure, that swaps cold-gas and hydrazine, but it is now in sensible order. (edit: and it still feels science fiction-y, rather than spreadsheets in space-y)
Toto Zinny GWA Corp 1	Posted - 2012.01.25 05:43:00 - [332] - Quote The blinking chat button is driving me nuts. I keep thinking I have a message. Please stop it blinking all of the time, have it blink only if I get a private message. Thank you.
Mars Theran EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance 95	Posted - 2012.01.25 05:54:00 - [333] - Quote Forgot. It seems the option to move camera center in your ship-spinning hangar/Captains quarters isn't working. Tried it with left and right in both CQ and Station to no effect, including logging off and quitting the client and restarting. Nothing. It doesn't move and just stays centered on the screen. Not sure if the space Camera center works or not. I am happy to see that the option to have the Meassage pop-ups move with Camera center is availble. Was having a chat with someone about that the other day in F&I I think. Ver nice additoon, though I haven't tried it, and can't confirm if it is working either yet. Somewhat related: Win7 64 Pro; now SP1 i7 P55 (Somewhat borked for unknown reasons, but I'm making it work) 4GB DDR3 GTX 460 SC Don't really think my hardware or OS has anything to do with it though.
Tyr1198 Surcouf's Corsairs 0	Posted - 2012.01.25 05:59:00 - [334] - Quote Re: Module Names Good (The goal, didn't quite happen): Making items easier to identify and locate Bad (What happened): Loss of character in naming (afterburners) Searches aren't any more useful and are often less efficient (missles) No consistency between module types (A search for "Prototype" will display ,modules with meta levels 1,2,3 and 4.) Suggestion: Prefix or suffix all items with item codes. This will make searching easier, present relevant information to the player quickly, allow character in the naming convention, and it is in line the corporation/space sandbox concept. All modules and charges already have categorical information that could be used to easily identify and find the desired items during a search. Using the market's lower level categories and the preexisting naming structure (pre-patch) I've created an example scheme (TYPE-INFO-META). INFO is the damage/payload type, plate/afterburner size, jamming type, etc.. AB/MWD MWD-1MN-0 Microwarpdrive I MWD-1MN-1 Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters AB-100MN-0 Afterburner I AB-100MN-3 LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Armor Plates AP-200-0 Reinforced Steel Plates I AP-200-4 Reinforced Tungsten Plates Missiles HAM-KIN-0 Terror Assault Missile HM-EM-1 Guristas Thunderbolt Heavy Missile CM-TH-3 Dread Guristas Cataclysm Cruise Missile
Mars Theran EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance 95	Posted - 2012.01.25 05:59:00 - [335] - Quote Toto Zinny wrote: The blinking chat button is driving me nuts. I keep thinking I have a message. Please stop it blinking all of the time, have it blink only if I get a private message. Thank you. Also, you forgot to add a gamma slider. I'm fairly certain you can disable blink from somewhere, and it is still individually selectable on your chat channels when open. All mine anyway. Turned blink off for local, on for Alliance-bwahahaa-and off for Corp. Inside joke there; I'm the only one in my Alliance. I'd let others in, but it's a democracy. Speaking of that; where do I petition to have it changed. I'm a Dictator kind of guy.
BeanBagKing Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing 100	Posted - 2012.01.25 06:03:00 - [336] - Quote I'm still playing around with most of the new stuff but... OMG <3 COMPACT MEMBER LIST!!!!!one!!
Dinsdale Pirannha Pirannha Corp 125	Posted - 2012.01.25 06:12:00 - [337] - Quote I have a char that was examining some T1 BPO's to see what skills are required to do inventions. The char was unable to open the drop down menu to see the skills. When another char with the required skills looked at the same BPO, it was no problem to see the required skills. This was never a problem until today.
Umega Solis Mensa 59	Posted - 2012.01.25 06:43:00 - [338] - Quote Some of you should ask yourself this.. If you started playing today or later on from this moment forward, as in fresh greenhorn to EVE.. how would you feel if they came along with a patch that changed it to how the old system behaved? You'd think the 'old' system that was just implemented was complete crap and utterly annoying. Much like how you feel now with this new system (myself included). Having been so accustomed and used to the old one. spending years into thousands of hours of doing something.. makes such interface changes tough to swallow at first. The New Neocom is better than the old one, I will admit and with potential.. needs a touch more like blinking adjustment, graphicly glitches need fix, and I personally wish the white/blue 'I' Icon was something else for each thing I minimize over there so I don't have to wait any fraction of a second at all for it to tell me what it is that I am looking to open. Optional placement of a horizontal Neocom bar along top or bottom along with position adjustment option for locked targets, and the HUD.
EmmerTemp State War Academy Caldari State 4	Posted - 2012.01.25 06:47:00 - [339] - Quote Ishtar dronebay is bugged... as in; the skill is not applied to increase dronebay (at least when I am docked)
Kristin Solette NullOcular Order Property Management Solutions 0	Posted - 2012.01.25 06:50:00 - [340] - Quote While I see how some people may find the new features useful, personally the only one I would ever remotely consider using is resizing my neocom, the rest I either have a quicker way to do it (alt X to open the training menu), or they're not new (didnt clicking the picture already open your character menu?) or they just plain annoy me to no end. I liked having my windows minimize to the bottom of the screen like every other program ive ever used. And to be honest i would accept minimizing to anywhere BUT that bar that you already said was too full, but no. Apparently its not just when they're minimized but also when they're open? Why? They're open, I dont need an icon on my neocom to let me know that. And thats another thing, why can you only have Icons? I was a fan of reading that convenient word to remind me what each button did, not having to hover my mouse over it because ive never paid attention to what each icon was :/ But enough about the neocom. As someone who spends alot of time in low/null space I <3 the compact form of chat for spotting friendlies/hostiles in local.

Deriah Book Fox Clan Inari Kimon 4	Posted - 2012.01.25 06:56:00 - [341] - Quote What is it about CCP that you guys can't get anything right? Granted, this is my first MMO. And my corpies claim that CCP is actually pretty good compared to other MMOs. But I am a user of many software titles in my line of work. Software that the complexity of which dwarfs Eve. I have never seen even a fraction of the breakage that each new Eve patch puts out. I am also a member of another subscription game that takes place in real time against other players. Every twelve weeks there is a major update. And I mean real change. One mistake. One bug. In the 3 years I've been with the service they had one bug on one of the releases. 48 hours later it was gone forever. More importantly, I have never seen a company make so many bad decisions when it comes to the UI. Do you even have computers at work? Do you use them? Have you used them longer than a year or so, so that you know what you like and dislike about the experience? "The Neocom has been updated with new and improved functionality. Navigation has been improved and a new EVE Menu has been added and users can customize the Neocom as they see fit." Uh... no. It can not be customized as I see fit. "By hovering over the avatar thumbnail, users see their character's name..." Nope. "By MANDATE, the Chat window is available right below the skill queue progress bar in the Neocom." Fixed. "Users can create custom groups in the Neocom root by right-clicking on the EVE Menu ('E' Icon) at the top of the Neocom." Hey! You know what would be really cool? If we could name them too! Huh? Huh? Waddya think? Also, it would be super-duper nifty if they showed up in the EVE menu too. (Computer much?) "Users and put any icon from the menu root, or the EVE Menu into the custom groups." I understand why you used the word 'and' as the second word in that sentence. Had you used the word 'can' you would have been lying. Subtle. Tricky, for sure. But while I accept that kind of deception from the usual Jita scammer, it is not a desirable practice in a company I willfully give my money to every month. BTW The chat icon is the ONLY icon I can't put in a custom group. The blinking, pulsing, always-demanding-my-attention chat icon. You know the one. (Computer much?) "The root of the Neocom acts as a shortcut bar and users can move icons around, delete them from the root and add new ones from the EVE menu. No matter what is done to the root, the EVE Menu always has all the options available to users through the Neocom. Users can only remove, add and reorganize icons in the root menu..." Wrong again. Oddly enough, it's the blinking, pulsing, always-demanding-my-attention, aggravating, chat icon that cannot be removed from the neocom shortcut bar. But, you could have guessed that, right? (Computer much?) "Icons that show looping highlighting effect are asking for the users attention because of an update. For example if the user gets a new message through EVE Mail. This can be turned off in the Esc Menu." Screenshot please. Show me where in the ESC menu I can turn off the looping highlighting effect for the stupid, blinking, pulsing, always-demanding-my-attention, aggravating, I-just-killed-a-really-cute-puppy-in-frustration chat icon only? SHOW ME! -- In case you weren't aware - and I think it's a safe bet you were not - while the browser bookmarks was a great idea, the window does not scroll or expand. At the screen resolution I use it only displays the first 29 internet locations. Thereby rendering it useless.
Kandreath De Re Metallica Epsilon Shimmy Alliance 25	Posted - 2012.01.25 07:17:00 - [342] - Quote Feedback (1) Duvida wrote: I can appreciate the renaming in order to make things a bit simpler. You might not want to go too far in the simplicity, however. WOW tried this and removed quite a bit of the immersion from that game. That effect would be worse here in EVE. +1 I don't see what was "fixed" by the AB/MWD renaming. I don't even recall anyone complaining about them. I really liked the old names. I mean, sure, I couldn't figure out by the name what module was better, (I used Evemon for the comparisons or just looked at the meta number). I know it's not even 24 hours after patch time but I a agree with the immersion thing. For me removing the propulsion technology from the naming of the item makes it a more bland - I'm sure this isn't what you are after. Feedback (2) Why on earth (or space) does the chat window now minimise to its own icon that looks more important than all the other icons? eg. looks like this [ ! ]. Personally I don't care about it's blinking, I've turned off all the blinks for chat channels that I've decided are not important to me. So if it blinks, I know I want to take a look. But two buttons on the com for the same thing... really? My preferred behaviour is the chat window minimises back to the original icon. I don't mean to criticise, the chat window always had unique functionality because you couldn't close it, so I can see why treating it like a normal window is causing some issues. Feedback (3) There was one time time I had 3 icons that looked like this [ ! ]. They were all for different things. I had to click though them to find out who was who. What's lost from before the patch is when you minimised the name would still be shown on the bottom of the screen. Some way of identifying minimised window would be good. Feedback (4) Can I have a "minimise all" button or hot key? Just recently (even before the Jan 24 patch); I've had a heap of windows up and wanted to quickly get to the main screen to interact with my ship. It felt like I had to dig through the screen to get to the bottom. My preferred behaviour... the button/hotkey would toggle minimise then restore. Similar to the [windows]-D hotkey action. Feedback (5) My patching went like a dream, and I like the new look and the flexibility of the interface. - from my point of view well done in general.
Callidus Dux School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 14	Posted - 2012.01.25 07:18:00 - [343] - Quote CCP please handle this crap-com as you have announced some month ago. Shiftable in the ESC-menue und name your neocom BETA! In the meantime all others can use the neocom which they like und CCP can do their experiments with the new one and can drive all other players crazy if they wish. CCP call this crap "Neocom" .. we in Germany would say: "Schei+ƒdreck". ABSOLUTE FAIL! AGAIN!
Tanaka Sekigahara United Space Marine Corp 26	Posted - 2012.01.25 07:28:00 - [344] - Quote Don't like new chat, blink is annoying, as is having to click 2 times now to open a minimized window instead of one. Also can chat be minimized to bottom of screen anymore or is that gone now? If so I'm sure this wont be only complaint about that. Undock button poorly placed makes for accidental undocking.Can't find militia window in neocom.
Mars Theran EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance 96	Posted - 2012.01.25 07:29:00 - [345] - Quote Space-stuff worked fine, and aside from having to readjust my windows and columns a bit, the 90% UI scaling is fine. Great for opening up more of your screen for space combat and enjoyment. On another note, camera ceter in space applies to ship spinning too, and works. I guess the other must be for CQ? Didn't work there when I tried it. Also, discovered a wierd little UI bug. Bug report for UI requires TQ password? No thanks, I'm too paranoid to give someone I don't know from who knows where my password and account name. Maybe if I knew who they were, and had a certainty that they were trustworthy CCP employees, but I have no idea who is getting it. Anyway.. It seems the bounds of the windows have an issue at some point. Stacked Character sheet, training queue, Militia, Bounties, Market, Contracts, and a host of others in one window, the adjusted the columns with the UI scaled to 90%. I think I had 5-10 tabs open in that window at the time. I got to the reprocessing menu, and saw that the icons were the only thing visible on the left side. That isn't how I left it, but I figured it must be from rescaling the UI. Most everything else had columns and such all about the same as I'd left them, just with more space now I had expanded the window. I clicked on one of the icons with a left click, and the you have no quote window bumped all the way left and about an inch off the window. Stretched out in a bizarre fashion beyond the bounds of the windows box, to be clearer. I then tabbed over and back and found no change. Clicking on it, it just bumped all the way off the left side of the screen. Not the window, but the column area itself from the quote return side. Closed whole window, reopened and it was the same as before and moved the divider carefully. I got everything worked out after that, but it was a little wierd for a minute there. This didn't or hasn't happened with any other windows or columns. Everything else was fine, except for that one incident after the UI scaling.
Mars Theran EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance 96	Posted - 2012.01.25 07:34:00 - [346] - Quote Tanaka Sekigahara wrote: Don't like new chat, blink is annoying, as is having to click 2 times now to open a minimized window instead of one. Also can chat be minimized to bottom of screen anymore or is that gone now? If so I'm sure this wont be only complaint about that. Undock button poorly placed makes for accidental undocking.Can't find militia window in neocom. You can right-click option to turn off Neocom blink on the EVE menu or blank area of Neocom. Affects all, but it works. Blink off and on is still available with right-click on the chat tabs. No way to minimize them outside the Nocom that I know of. Personally, I'm okay with that as I just try to get them out of the way and leave them open. I think undock is in the same place as before, though perhaps shaped and sized differently. Neocom works well on the left I find too. I'm fairly certain clicking on the neocom minimized icons only requires one click. Maybe it's delayed response. I never tried it with the chat though, as I mentioned with not minimizing it, it hasn't been needed. edit: @Callidus: Seems to be working a lot better than it used too to me. A few minor problems, but I remember 10 times worse a year ago, and haven't bothered messing with it again until now. Functionally, it is working now; where before it wasn't. Not last time I bothered anyway.
Fraa Bjorn Cell 317 34	Posted - 2012.01.25 07:36:00 - [347] - Quote CCP Punkturis wrote: yes! go to your overview settings, appearances, select "use small font" Yo Punkturis! For me the "use small font"-font doesn't really help since it still has about the same width as the normal overview font. Less height, but same width. In the chat, when I click A-, I get another look of the font, same height as "Use small overview font" but horizontally dense. Any chance the "use small font" can be more like that A- chat font? This is hard to explain - I can screenshot/photoshop what I mean if it helps. :) All games have QQ, but only Eve has Q.Q
Callidus Dux School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 14	Posted - 2012.01.25 07:44:00 - [348] - Quote TO CCP: Can we expect a feedback to our feedback please? So much hate for the new UI you call neocom. Make a Devblog and say something about your fail! Otherwise it is really meaningless and arrogant to ask for our feedback but ignore it. All CCP comments are for: "Oh I like your new crap". Take position to the "WTF? What is this ****? Reverse it ASAP!" A customer
Coolmer Kanizsa triangle 4	Posted - 2012.01.25 07:47:00 - [349] - Quote In my opinion, fails to be repeated, for example, the new neocom is useless without ability to store configuration on server or at least import / export (one century ago style aka overview fail style). So few more fails what i notice: - Disable Blink on all ( pls separate this option on items) - Making Groups without u can reorder items after put it there is useless (some of us want some visual customization after-all) - Same icon for every custom group of items is lolz (windowz 1.0 style)
Dragonzchilde BURN EDEN Northern Coalition. 2	Posted - 2012.01.25 08:11:00 - [350] - Quote I like how all the threads on the forums are spammed with CCP dev's comments and stuff. however the feedback thread is ignored. GREAT JOB CCP At screwing around with the Neocrapcom making it utterly useless to the point where you actually doubled the number of mouse clicks to get access to the chat windows. Very handy when in combat, I must say (i do hope you get the sarcasm) You had one patch half right, probably saw that you gained some subscriptions again and then decided to start messing around with things WE did NOT ask for. The UI was fine The Neocom was fine The naming of the missles was fine The naming of the AB's and MWD's was fine Scan probes were bloody OP already and you boosted them even more Why the ** did you start spending resources on useless crap again. You still have broken things in this game that deserve a lot more attention than all this bullshit - sniping, was useless before since your scanning mechanism. It's even more ** now with boosted probe strength - hyena, still the most useless ship in the game - damps, still no idea why you have 'em in game, they still suck - ecm, nerfed to the point of being useless - supercap nerf only increased the super blobs Still wondering when you and that CSM will actually listen to the players. Wondering when you will start getting it right

Tek'a Rain Collegium Mechanicae 1	Posted - 2012.01.25 08:32:00 - [351] - Quote I am not normally one to complain, honest, but these "improvements" are rubbish. Can we roll-back the NEOCOMM and the Naming Changes? You managed to turn a system that was known and loved despite needing some polish into a resource and time gobbling pit. You managed to turn cool, flavorful and very Sci-Fi module names into generic feeling mush And causing increased confusion. Single-clicks have become menu-hunts, minimized windows and notifications. ROLL THIS BACK, CCP. Creating new problems is not the way to move forward.
Callidus Dux School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 14	Posted - 2012.01.25 08:38:00 - [352] - Quote Tek'a Rain wrote: I am not normally one to complain, honest, but these "improvements" are rubbish. Can we roll-back the NEOCOMM and the Naming Changes? You managed to turn a system that was known and loved despite needing some polish into a resource and time gobbling pit. You managed to turn cool, flavorful and very Sci-Fi module names into generic feeling mush And causing increased confusion. Single-clicks have become menu-hunts, minimized windows and notifications. ROLL THIS BACK, CCP. Creating new problems is not the way to move forward. Good spoken. CCP please roll back this neocrapcom ASAP or name it beta and lets decide if we want the new one. THIS was the origin plan of your neocom. Call it beta and make it optional due the ESC-menue. Why do you bother all players with this unfinished stuff? Renaming is also fail.
Fraa Bjorn Cell 317 34	Posted - 2012.01.25 08:54:00 - [353] - Quote FWIW, I think the new AB/MWD names are much better than the previous ones. The old names were confusing as hell! All games have QQ, but only Eve has Q.Q
Roime UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS 130	Posted - 2012.01.25 09:00:00 - [354] - Quote My Ishkur with Null <3 CCP! Compact chat list mode is the best UI improvement ever, it's super cool for local when roaming. Interacting with the login notification popups is very nice, thanks! Fixing the " . " to a proper " , " was overdue and improves the life quality of my trade alt 25954% I also find the Neocom a major improvement over the old one: resizable customizable polished looks able to minimize chat windows into the Neocom bar instead of having them cluttering the UI <3 Neocom can now host web bookmarks! Btw you can toggle flashing per function basis from their respected windows. Very nice patch :) EDIT: forgot that while the new prop mod names are logical, I do miss the old ones. Brand names create immersion and if anything, there should be more funny and cool names.
Zore Daverse The Four Minute Men 0	Posted - 2012.01.25 09:10:00 - [355] - Quote Just my 2 cents worth here but sorry guys, the old Neocom worked fine, if it ain't broke don't fix it comes to mind... the most annoying thing to me is when you minimize the chat it goes into the Neocom instead of at the bottom of screen like it used to, where you could keep an eye on the amount of people in local at a glance, now you have to mouse over the icon all the time just to see if someone has popped in on you, so you've basicly given an unfair advantage to those who would screw people over from where I see it, again just my opinion of course. I know you can just leave the chat open but that's hardly the point though. For others with the chat flashing issue, you can right click on the top chat channel tab, the tab itself you don't want flashing and turn it off like before and that carries through to the Neocom by the way... All the best to you and your families, Mark (aka Zore).
Mark Hadden Joint Endeavor RED.OverLord 1	Posted - 2012.01.25 09:14:00 - [356] - Quote I dont even care about the new cr*ppy neocom, but for the love of god, GIVE US OLD NAMES BACK!
Seleia O'Sinnor Drop of Honey 160	Posted - 2012.01.25 09:16:00 - [357] - Quote Another note on the new Neocom: Some may argue that the new blink effect is not of their taste. However a significant change is how it tells that something happened. While the old Neocome blinked and then stopped in a highlighted state the new one keeps "blinking". This is kind of annoying. It tries to attract my attention all the time, instead of telling me: something happened right now, and I can forget about it, but still see that there is something. This is all about movement, it attracts attention and if continuously used it annoys. Keep the UI calm, use movement when it's really necessary, like some red blinking in the overview. Please try to get the old behaviour back. Let the shiny effect take place for only a short time and then highlight the Neocom buttons. Give it a green border or whatever your UI specialist may offer. Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing.
Karsa Egivand Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.01.25 09:21:00 - [358] - Quote Deriah Book wrote: What is it about CCP that you guys can't get anything right? Granted, this is my first MMO. And my corpies claim that CCP is actually pretty good compared to other MMOs. But I am a user of many software titles in my line of work. Software that the complexity of which dwarfs Eve. Just because: Name the software you are talking about. I know few pieces of software that are as complex as the eve server/client software has to be. (mind you, not the UI alone, obv., if that alone is what you are talking about). They do exist, but are all made by rather big companies with hundreds of software engineers working on them.
Mark Hadden Joint Endeavor RED.OverLord 1	Posted - 2012.01.25 09:22:00 - [359] - Quote confirming the new chat button is absolutely terrible, I've got xx chats open, so this damn thing is guaranteed continuously blinking!
Strazdas Unstoppable Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering 1	Posted - 2012.01.25 09:39:00 - [360] - Quote So basically what you did is copy-cat windows 7 task bar into eve sidebar. i spent hours to mod that taslkbar out f existence in windows 7, is there any chance i can mod eve sidebar back to normal?



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