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MarthaStuart	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:36:00 - [331] Edited by: MarthaStuart on 13/03/2008 05:39:30 Edited by: MarthaStuart on 13/03/2008 05:36:51 So what you are saying is BoB should apologize for having their act together and organized and have very active and dedicated pvpers and good leadership and a solid backbone and strong industry and a capital fleet? Dread fleets own titans. You cover more time zones than BoB. Take another system. Its clear that NOL was well defended, if you keep hurting your head by running into a wall, change drivers or change locations for now, like u did in Qy6. Sadly BoB should apologize for not suiciding their fleets in QY6 amirite? Dont blame the lag it works both ways, AFAIK BOB was attacking and called it off due to lag, so obviously it went your (RSF and co) way. And stop blaiming the Titans. BoB used and still use theirs properly, most of EvE didn't. Again they should apologize for that too maybe. Oh wait lets ask CCP to nerf them. Sure you killed one of their Titans, but look how fast they fielded another and did not relaly whine about it forever. So far only BoB and RA had the balls to use their Titans. For those who have a clue, Titans are not godlike and arent immune to lag ( the DD button need to be clicked to work, its not auto). A 30 minute window as you said is more than enough to jump in a fleet, so get ure act together and stop whining you give everyone a headache with these dumbass threadnaughts about how you cant win eve. Love ♥ Edited for Grammar
Martika Ray	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:06:00 - [332] Originally by: Death Mate What exactly is the issue with the Cynojammer that has everyone upset? Ehm.. it's like... everyone has a big Icecream, but the goons get some snow to chew on.. They don't want to pay for the toys??
WeightedCompanionCube	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:20:00 - [333] Originally by: MarthaStuart Titans are not godlike and arent immune to lag ( the DD button need to be clicked to work, its not auto). Let's compare what needs to happen for a Doomsday and a normal weapon when warping into a battle: Normal weapon: -Drop out of warp -Load grid -Lock target -Activate weapon Doomsday weapon: -Drop out of warp -Activate weapon Is that so hard to understand ?
Schigolch	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:33:00 - [334] Originally by: Martika Ray Originally by: Death Mate What exactly is the issue with the Cynojammer that has everyone upset? Ehm.. it's like... everyone has a big Icecream, but the goons get some snow to chew on.. They don't want to pay for the toys?? The toys aren't fun :/
Martika Ray	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:05:00 - [335] Schigolch, know You don't think so, because You have never worked with a real cynojammer before the little guy called Deadtear;)
gordon cain	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:04:00 - [336] Originally by: WeightedCompanionCube Originally by: MarthaStuart Titans are not godlike and arent immune to lag ( the DD button need to be clicked to work, its not auto). Let's compare what needs to happen for a Doomsday and a normal weapon when warping into a battle: Normal weapon: -Drop out of warp -Load grid -Lock target -Activate weapon Doomsday weapon: -Drop out of warp -Activate weapon Is that so hard to understand ? Not really. But no one forces you to have all your ships at one place all at once. Lag will be as bad for the titan pilot when he has fired his weapon if you keep bringing in more pilots. Gordon Never argue with idiots, they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
WeightedCompanionCube	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:24:00 - [337] Originally by: gordon cain Originally by: WeightedCompanionCube Originally by: MarthaStuart Titans are not godlike and arent immune to lag ( the DD button need to be clicked to work, its not auto). Let's compare what needs to happen for a Doomsday and a normal weapon when warping into a battle: Normal weapon: -Drop out of warp -Load grid -Lock target -Activate weapon Doomsday weapon: -Drop out of warp -Activate weapon Is that so hard to understand ? Not really. But no one forces you to have all your ships at one place all at once. Gordon A cyno jammer does, that is the whole thing this topic is about.
Orion Moonstar	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:37:00 - [338] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Death Mate What exactly is the issue with the Cynojammer that has everyone upset? Nothing is the issue with cynojammers. Only because goons are too stupid to take it down with t1 frigs and shuttles and because they start a huge whine (again) it doesn't change things. History shows that there are many cyno jammers killed already successfully. Or how do you think BoB + allies lost all their space? By not setting up cyno jammers? Also Tri killed various cyno jammers, RA did it. AAA killed them, Razor killed them also. There is nothing wrong with the jammers. There is something wrong with the attackers. Throwing zillions of useless t1 crap at the cyno jammer and then whining about lag is really beyond being stupid Wait, you've never actually been to 0.0 space, have you. http://www.dariusjohnson.org/dec20bobts.mp3 http://www.daitengu.com/ohgod/dec20bobts.mp3
AIchemist	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:28:00 - [339] Edited by: AIchemist on 13/03/2008 12:28:28 Well it's clear there is an issue, maybe not what both sides think is wrong, but something needs to be fixed.
maralt	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:32:00 - [340] Id actually like the cynojammer issue to be tested in real time and a real war by an alliance with some real tactical skill cos lets face it GOONS failing at something is hardly an indication of a broken game or mechanic.

KIATolon	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:35:00 - [341] Originally by: maralt Id actually like the cynojammer issue to be tested in real time and a real war by an alliance with some real tactical skill cos lets face it GOONS failing at something is hardly an indication of a broken game or mechanic. Why not ask bob to invade C3N or QY6?
maralt	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:36:00 - [342] Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: maralt Id actually like the cynojammer issue to be tested in real time and a real war by an alliance with some real tactical skill cos lets face it GOONS failing at something is hardly an indication of a broken game or mechanic. Why not ask bob to invade C3N or QY6? I already did.
KIATolon	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:37:00 - [343] Originally by: maralt Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: maralt Id actually like the cynojammer issue to be tested in real time and a real war by an alliance with some real tactical skill cos lets face it GOONS failing at something is hardly an indication of a broken game or mechanic. Why not ask bob to invade C3N or QY6? I already did. What did they say?
maralt	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:39:00 - [344] Edited by: maralt on 13/03/2008 12:43:28 Your the one who claims to have such great intel on BOB's inner working that you know about leadership emo rages and mayor offensives that you can score mayor victories against so you should already know their plans.
KIATolon	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:43:00 - [345] Originally by: maralt Your the one who claims to have such great intel on BOB's inner working that you know about leadership emo rages and mayor offensives that you can score mayor victories against so you should already know their plans. I dont know what is said in a convo between you and a bob director, however I DID know you wouldn't answer my question.
maralt	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:50:00 - [346] Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: maralt Your the one who claims to have such great intel on BOB's inner working that you know about leadership emo rages and mayor offensives that you can score mayor victories against so you should already know their plans. I dont know what is said in a convo between you and a bob director, however I DID know you wouldn't answer my question. I DID answer it i just DID NOT answer it the way you wanted although when i DID speak to a few dudes from BOB i know they were quite tight lipped about any offensives they are planning, although we both knew before hand id not actually tell you anyway. Damn look at all those emocons you really are hard up for anything you can spin as any sort of win aint ya?.
KIATolon	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:09:00 - [347] Originally by: maralt I DID answer it i just DID NOT answer it the way you wanted although when i DID speak to a few dudes from BOB i know they were quite tight lipped about any offensives they are planning, although we both knew before hand id not actually tell you anyway. Damn look at all those emocons you really are hard up for anything you can spin as any sort of win aint ya?. Yes, those emoticons really make me hard up for some win spin.
KIATolon	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:33:00 - [348] Originally by: maralt The last week of posting kinda makes you look desperate for summat to claim a win for bud the emocons are just a symptom and sign of the tone of desperation in your recent posting, its been like this since the coalition stopped holding your hands and you failed to take NOL. Quoting"there are no goons" and other oldies but goldies are and should be beneath you by now tbqh. How can anything be beneath me when I'm already the lowest of the low?
maralt	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:37:00 - [349] Edited by: maralt on 13/03/2008 13:37:31 Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: maralt The last week of posting kinda makes you look desperate for summat to claim a win for bud the emocons are just a symptom and sign of the tone of desperation in your recent posting, its been like this since the coalition stopped holding your hands and you failed to take NOL. Quoting"there are no goons" and other oldies but goldies are and should be beneath you by now tbqh. How can anything be beneath me when I'm already the lowest of the low? Yea yea you did'nt want that respect, ships, k/d ratio, blah blah (insert what goons suck at) blah blah.....................
KIATolon	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:39:00 - [350] Originally by: maralt Yea yea you did'nt want that respect, ships, k/d ratio, blah blah (insert what goons suck at) blah blah..................... Quoting"you did'nt want that respect and other oldies but goldies are and should be beneath you by now tbqh.

maralt	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:40:00 - [351] Edited by: maralt on 13/03/2008 13:43:05 Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: maralt Yea yea you did'nt want that respect, ships, k/d ratio, blah blah (insert what goons suck at) blah blah..................... Quoting"you did'nt want that respect and other oldies but goldies are and should be beneath you by now tbqh. I was pointing out what you were doing bud (miss the irony much?) even if you have rephrased it a bit so gratz you just trolled yourself.
Brmble	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:02:00 - [352] Originally by: maralt Edited by: maralt on 13/03/2008 13:43:05 Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: maralt Yea yea you did'nt want that respect, ships, k/d ratio, blah blah (insert what goons suck at) blah blah..................... Quoting"you did'nt want that respect and other oldies but goldies are and should be beneath you by now tbqh. I was pointing out what you were doing bud (miss the irony much?) even if you have rephrased it a bit so gratz you just trolled yourself. no u ~ no not believin in urself ~
MarthaStuart	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:13:00 - [353] Originally by: WeightedCompanionCube Originally by: MarthaStuart Titans are not godlike and arent immune to lag ( the DD button need to be clicked to work, its not auto). Let's compare what needs to happen for a Doomsday and a normal weapon when warping into a battle: Normal weapon: -Drop out of warp -Load grid -Lock target -Activate weapon Doomsday weapon: -Drop out of warp -Activate weapon Is that so hard to understand ? The important part, and the POINT of the whole sentence is highlighted. Thanks for explaining how things work though. The Titan pilot also needs to load properly like all people to be able to click his DD, and not to mention he needs to be able the WARP AWAY OR JUMP OUT, which is HARD during lag, keeping im mind any hostile fleet with brains and balls would call him primary and try to get him since he is carrying a big SHOOT ME SIGN I CANNOT JUMP OUT FOR 1 HOUR. Of course brining ships that matter would increase ure performance instead of crashing the system with t1 friggies and noob ships ( i thought the noob ships thing became a myth or something of older goon days at one point but i was proved wrong a couple of times). So yea, you try to understand Love Martha
Gnulpie	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:14:00 - [354] Oh my ... Is this nonsense post still going on? Why is it not locked, pure flaming the last couple of pages. No constructive post anywhere.
Tarantelita	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:15:00 - [355] Originally by: Yorda Okay, I'll bite on the flamebait. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=692485 There's a good writeup about it. The main problem is that you can easily have a capital fleet (who can get into the system via a series of jumpbridges) defend the cynojammer that can only be attacked by BS's. Okay that's fine, but when you can fit upwards of 30-40 faction medium guns it becomes increasing difficuit. And after incaping the cynojammer, you have about 30 minutes before they blow up the cynojammer and just anchor a new one. You must live on the forums ms forum spamer no1 .
MarthaStuart	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:21:00 - [356] Originally by: WeightedCompanionCube A cyno jammer does, that is the whole thing this topic is about. Yes Originally by: MarthaStuart Edited by: MarthaStuart on 13/03/2008 05:39:30 Edited by: MarthaStuart on 13/03/2008 05:36:51 ...You cover more time zones than BoB.... ...Take another system. Its clear that NOL was well defended, if you keep hurting your head by running into a wall, change drivers or change locations for now... ...A 30 minute window as you said is more than enough to jump in a fleet... Edited for Grammar Just read the post all over again, all of it, not just the 'how do titans work part.
Princess Jodi	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:12:00 - [357] Martha, AFAIK Shrike had his DDD on AutoRepeat the last time people caught him. I know it seemed that way, as in spite of the 20min+ lag we still got hit with Doomsdays every hour. In that sense, Titans actually have LESS problem dealing with lag. BTW: What's up with your hair? You go Butch when you were in prison?
MarthaStuart	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:48:00 - [358] Originally by: Princess Jodi Martha, AFAIK Shrike had his DDD on AutoRepeat the last time people caught him. I know it seemed that way, as in spite of the 20min+ lag we still got hit with Doomsdays every hour. In that sense, Titans actually have LESS problem dealing with lag. BTW: What's up with your hair? You go Butch when you were in prison? Im not shrike so lol i cant confirm that nor tell u how it feels. As for my hair, its what u get when u believe your own products work great. Prison was great, good food, had cable too.
Johnfromshipping	Posted - 2008.03.13 17:10:00 - [359] So much back & forth in this thread. All this bluster from all sides doesn't matter, CCP has already said they don't like the current cynojammer mechanics & didn't mean for them to be 'something you get sov 3 & leave on'. They are going to get changed. Its just a matter of 'how & when' at this point.
Post	Posted - 2008.03.13 17:10:00 - [360] Originally by: Princess Jodi Martha, AFAIK Shrike had his DDD on AutoRepeat the last time people caught him. I know it seemed that way, as in spite of the 20min+ lag we still got hit with Doomsdays every hour. In that sense, Titans actually have LESS problem dealing with lag. BTW: What's up with your hair? You go Butch when you were in prison? Hellooooooo! A DD every hour, so you get a consensus in your fleet of how much lag there is. If there is 20 mins lag on average, you click the DD button 20 minutes before cooldown comes up, logical no? Postman Pat



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