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Doctor Green
Boris Technica
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Posted - 2008.03.11 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Miller Goons need to stop crying about the one module they can't lag offline. To be honest without their allies they have no chance of ever destroying another cyno jammer again. Once they realized they couldn't throw hundreds of T1 frigates at a jammer and destroy it they immediately started petition spamming CCP.
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BitchInCharge
Head-Hunters
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Posted - 2008.03.11 14:12:00 -
[272]
Originally by: Arthur Miller Goons need to stop crying about the one module they can't lag offline. To be honest without their allies they have no chance of ever destroying another cyno jammer again. Once they realized they couldn't throw hundreds of T1 frigates at a jammer and destroy it they immediately started petition spamming CCP.
Hehe god bless you
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Cyberspatial Simulacra
Caldari PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.03.11 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cursive
Originally by: WowZilla Its not beyond reason that 4 titans with no support at all could defend a cyno jammer from a huge hostile BS fleet.
200 v 4 and the 4 win seem right?
Seems right to me... 20 billion in BS' VS 250 billion in Titans, I sure hope the Titans win.
Meh, the cynojammer issue doesn't really affect me yet, so I have no strong opinions about it one way or the other, but this line of reasoning seems pretty flawed. It's like saying the Yankees should win the World Series every year because Stienbrenner can afford to spend the most on his team. ------------------------- Hur hur, me fly in space! |
omesohornymeluvulongtime
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Posted - 2008.03.11 14:20:00 -
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try not using so much logic while reading and posting in caod.
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Post
Man Pat And His Black And White Cat
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Posted - 2008.03.11 14:24:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Cyberspatial Simulacra
Originally by: Cursive
Originally by: WowZilla Its not beyond reason that 4 titans with no support at all could defend a cyno jammer from a huge hostile BS fleet.
200 v 4 and the 4 win seem right?
Seems right to me... 20 billion in BS' VS 250 billion in Titans, I sure hope the Titans win.
Meh, the cynojammer issue doesn't really affect me yet, so I have no strong opinions about it one way or the other, but this line of reasoning seems pretty flawed. It's like saying the Yankees should win the World Series every year because Stienbrenner can afford to spend the most on his team.
How does this apply to this scenario in any way? Sports are supposed to be fair, limited teams etc. War is, well, war? How about if a football team cannot get through a certain defence by trying the same tactic again and again then go and scream to have that certain defence type banned ust because they couldn't beat it and they never even tried other tactics or didn't want to put in the time to try and beat it?
Postman Pat
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.11 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Post Edited by: Post on 11/03/2008 14:27:06
Originally by: Cyberspatial Simulacra
Originally by: Cursive
Originally by: WowZilla Its not beyond reason that 4 titans with no support at all could defend a cyno jammer from a huge hostile BS fleet.
200 v 4 and the 4 win seem right?
Seems right to me... 20 billion in BS' VS 250 billion in Titans, I sure hope the Titans win.
Meh, the cynojammer issue doesn't really affect me yet, so I have no strong opinions about it one way or the other, but this line of reasoning seems pretty flawed. It's like saying the Yankees should win the World Series every year because Stienbrenner can afford to spend the most on his team.
How does this apply to this scenario in any way? Sports are supposed to be fair, limited teams etc. War is, well, war? How about if a football team cannot get through a certain defence by trying the same tactic again and again then go and scream to have that certain defence type banned just because they couldn't beat it and they never even tried other tactics or didn't want to put in the time to try and beat it?
Sports also have rules, war doesn't. It's like building a wall infront of your goal is completely banned in sports, but in war you just have to figure out how to go through the wall.
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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Cyberspatial Simulacra
Caldari PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.03.11 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Post Edited by: Post on 11/03/2008 14:27:06
Originally by: Cyberspatial Simulacra
Originally by: Cursive
Originally by: WowZilla Its not beyond reason that 4 titans with no support at all could defend a cyno jammer from a huge hostile BS fleet.
200 v 4 and the 4 win seem right?
Seems right to me... 20 billion in BS' VS 250 billion in Titans, I sure hope the Titans win.
Meh, the cynojammer issue doesn't really affect me yet, so I have no strong opinions about it one way or the other, but this line of reasoning seems pretty flawed. It's like saying the Yankees should win the World Series every year because Stienbrenner can afford to spend the most on his team.
How does this apply to this scenario in any way? Sports are supposed to be fair, limited teams etc. War is, well, war? How about if a football team cannot get through a certain defence by trying the same tactic again and again then go and scream to have that certain defence type banned just because they couldn't beat it and they never even tried other tactics or didn't want to put in the time to try and beat it?
Okay, then for a war example why was the Soviet war machine kicked out of Afghanistan by people who had next to no funding or military support? I'm just commenting that saying "OH MY GOD, THEY SPENT MORE MONEY SO THEY SHOULD WIN!" is a pretty absurd view of warfare. ------------------------- Hur hur, me fly in space! |
Nero Winger
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.11 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: Gnulpie Nothing is the issue with cynojammers.
Only because goons are too stupid to take it down with t1 frigs and shuttles and because they start a huge whine (again) it doesn't change things.
History shows that there are many cyno jammers killed already successfully. Or how do you think BoB + allies lost all their space? By not setting up cyno jammers?
Also Tri killed various cyno jammers, RA did it. AAA killed them, Razor killed them also.
There is nothing wrong with the jammers. There is something wrong with the attackers. Throwing zillions of useless t1 crap at the cyno jammer and then whining about lag is really beyond being stupid
None of those people did so against 4 titans defending the jammer POS... which is where the actual issue is. It's simply impossible to kill a cynojammer that's defended by a cap fleet and a handful of titans.
Xttz had a great idea. Cynojammers should disable all capital modules, so no triage, siege, DD, Portal, fighters, capital reps. That might fix things.
why dont you just try harder till it works? why dont you build some titans? why dont you use tech2 ships?
should kestrels be nerfed? should tech1 guns be nerfed? who cares. your whine only showys the inability of your coalition to actually do something or to actually put your balls on the table and show what you got. you just show how weak your connection within the coalition truly is, you need to find a horse that you can blame every time you fail at something. it does not matter, change the cyno-jammer, nerf tech2 ships, nerf everything and boost kestrels and you still wont be able to actually do something interesting.
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.11 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Winger
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: Gnulpie Nothing is the issue with cynojammers.
Only because goons are too stupid to take it down with t1 frigs and shuttles and because they start a huge whine (again) it doesn't change things.
History shows that there are many cyno jammers killed already successfully. Or how do you think BoB + allies lost all their space? By not setting up cyno jammers?
Also Tri killed various cyno jammers, RA did it. AAA killed them, Razor killed them also.
There is nothing wrong with the jammers. There is something wrong with the attackers. Throwing zillions of useless t1 crap at the cyno jammer and then whining about lag is really beyond being stupid
None of those people did so against 4 titans defending the jammer POS... which is where the actual issue is. It's simply impossible to kill a cynojammer that's defended by a cap fleet and a handful of titans.
Xttz had a great idea. Cynojammers should disable all capital modules, so no triage, siege, DD, Portal, fighters, capital reps. That might fix things.
why dont you just try harder till it works? why dont you build some titans? why dont you use tech2 ships?
should kestrels be nerfed? should tech1 guns be nerfed? who cares. your whine only showys the inability of your coalition to actually do something or to actually put your balls on the table and show what you got. you just show how weak your connection within the coalition truly is, you need to find a horse that you can blame every time you fail at something. it does not matter, change the cyno-jammer, nerf tech2 ships, nerf everything and boost kestrels and you still wont be able to actually do something interesting.
We should build titans to take out cynojammers, my god why did we not think of this!?
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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paracidic
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.11 14:51:00 -
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You guys whine about titans and get them changed. Then you start taking space at a record rate because you POS spam the hell out of every conquerable station system, You make wild proclamations on eve-o about how everyone sucks but you.
You push your nemisis back into a handfull of systems which are heavily defended. You force the BoB Titans to work in close proximity of each other and you find that you cannot POS spam anymore so you immediately run to the GMs and demand changes that will again allow you to POS spam.
CCP foced me to taste my own bile the first time they cowered to your group of crybabies. I hope they have the gonads not to cower again.
KiaTolon, you really are the biggest crybaby I ever saw.
Just keep whipping your (players) and keep them dieing under BoB's guns sooner or later you will manage to kill a heavily defended cynojammer.
Or why not threadnaught about how you should be able to OOG play tic tac toe for station systems.
But please keep in mind that as BoB reverses the trend and start dissassembling your empire you won't see whine threads about anything. We will simply find a way to beat you. You had better pray that your sov 4 systems can continue to be protected by cynojammers.
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.11 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: paracidic You guys whine about titans and get them changed. Then you start taking space at a record rate because you POS spam the hell out of every conquerable station system, You make wild proclamations on eve-o about how everyone sucks but you.
You push your nemisis back into a handfull of systems which are heavily defended. You force the BoB Titans to work in close proximity of each other and you find that you cannot POS spam anymore so you immediately run to the GMs and demand changes that will again allow you to POS spam.
CCP foced me to taste my own bile the first time they cowered to your group of crybabies. I hope they have the gonads not to cower again.
KiaTolon, you really are the biggest crybaby I ever saw.
Just keep whipping your (players) and keep them dieing under BoB's guns sooner or later you will manage to kill a heavily defended cynojammer.
Or why not threadnaught about how you should be able to OOG play tic tac toe for station systems.
But please keep in mind that as BoB reverses the trend and start dissassembling your empire you won't see whine threads about anything. We will simply find a way to beat you. You had better pray that your sov 4 systems can continue to be protected by cynojammers.
Nono, silly bobbit you've got it all wrong. We're whining about cynojammers and we never admit to being good at anything (apart from meatshields).
Zastrow even gets rorquals/haulers blown up when attempting to pos spam
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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Brmble
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.11 14:55:00 -
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ISD likes BoB it seems
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AIchemist
Gallente O.W.N. Corp United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:01:00 -
[283]
Originally by: paracidic You guys whine about titans and get them changed. Then you start taking space at a record rate because you POS spam the hell out of every conquerable station system, You make wild proclamations on eve-o about how everyone sucks but you.
You push your nemisis back into a handfull of systems which are heavily defended. You force the BoB Titans to work in close proximity of each other and you find that you cannot POS spam anymore so you immediately run to the GMs and demand changes that will again allow you to POS spam.
CCP foced me to taste my own bile the first time they cowered to your group of crybabies. I hope they have the gonads not to cower again.
KiaTolon, you really are the biggest crybaby I ever saw.
Just keep whipping your (players) and keep them dieing under BoB's guns sooner or later you will manage to kill a heavily defended cynojammer.
Or why not threadnaught about how you should be able to OOG play tic tac toe for station systems.
But please keep in mind that as BoB reverses the trend and start dissassembling your empire you won't see whine threads about anything. We will simply find a way to beat you. You had better pray that your sov 4 systems can continue to be protected by cynojammers.
Rofl the best bob poaster found.Try bringing your hate and emo steam down a few notchs.Everything you have said is covered and countered.Even by non-coalition pilots posting in these threads.Try reading the full thread before you post unconstructive insults.
What is even more funny is you got trolled by your own.The op being a bob alt pilot.you should know by now looking at all the threads bob alts have made since someone on eve tv mentioned cyno jammers.
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Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:02:00 -
[284]
Originally by: paracidic You guys whine about titans and get them changed. Then you start taking space at a record rate because you POS spam the hell out of every conquerable station system, You make wild proclamations on eve-o about how everyone sucks but you.
You push your nemisis back into a handfull of systems which are heavily defended. You force the BoB Titans to work in close proximity of each other and you find that you cannot POS spam anymore so you immediately run to the GMs and demand changes that will again allow you to POS spam.
CCP foced me to taste my own bile the first time they cowered to your group of crybabies. I hope they have the gonads not to cower again.
KiaTolon, you really are the biggest crybaby I ever saw.
Just keep whipping your (players) and keep them dieing under BoB's guns sooner or later you will manage to kill a heavily defended cynojammer.
Or why not threadnaught about how you should be able to OOG play tic tac toe for station systems.
But please keep in mind that as BoB reverses the trend and start dissassembling your empire you won't see whine threads about anything. We will simply find a way to beat you. You had better pray that your sov 4 systems can continue to be protected by cynojammers.
This is why DICE are the best corp in Eve bar none. No other corporation in Eve can touch these guys, they have the best members, are the best fighters and even the best posters in the game.
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KIATolon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: paracidic You guys whine about titans and get them changed. Then you start taking space at a record rate because you POS spam the hell out of every conquerable station system, You make wild proclamations on eve-o about how everyone sucks but you.
You push your nemisis back into a handfull of systems which are heavily defended. You force the BoB Titans to work in close proximity of each other and you find that you cannot POS spam anymore so you immediately run to the GMs and demand changes that will again allow you to POS spam.
CCP foced me to taste my own bile the first time they cowered to your group of crybabies. I hope they have the gonads not to cower again.
KiaTolon, you really are the biggest crybaby I ever saw.
Just keep whipping your (players) and keep them dieing under BoB's guns sooner or later you will manage to kill a heavily defended cynojammer.
Or why not threadnaught about how you should be able to OOG play tic tac toe for station systems.
But please keep in mind that as BoB reverses the trend and start dissassembling your empire you won't see whine threads about anything. We will simply find a way to beat you. You had better pray that your sov 4 systems can continue to be protected by cynojammers.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA voted 10!
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KIATolon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:10:00 -
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Btw, that was the sound of my crying, not laughing.
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smitor
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: AIchemist
What I do respect is the post from bob acknowledging the problem.There is one,this is only one of the posts from bob with level headed thinking.There is problem and in some way needs to be fixed.
considering you smacked me 4 posts above as an elitist snob thats quiet a comeback.
As for the subcap ship, it was just an example. Actually one of the few beyond the general "its broken" "needs fixing" "cynojammers are getting changed" "ccp said so" posts in this thread.
No suggestion really strikes me as superior yet because it will leave either way someone on the sour foot since it will influence the outcome of this war directly if not handeled with care. Care ccp have really not shown in the past when "fixing" things.
However you are right in one point, if there is an issue im one of the first to actually think up an solution. Having said that you will find Dianas posts on this subject actually giving also options how a possible change could look like. Ive yet to see a coalition / alt post doing the same.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: paracidic You guys whine about titans and get them changed. Then you start taking space at a record rate because you POS spam the hell out of every conquerable station system, You make wild proclamations on eve-o about how everyone sucks but you.
You push your nemisis back into a handfull of systems which are heavily defended. You force the BoB Titans to work in close proximity of each other and you find that you cannot POS spam anymore so you immediately run to the GMs and demand changes that will again allow you to POS spam.
CCP foced me to taste my own bile the first time they cowered to your group of crybabies. I hope they have the gonads not to cower again.
KiaTolon, you really are the biggest crybaby I ever saw.
Just keep whipping your (players) and keep them dieing under BoB's guns sooner or later you will manage to kill a heavily defended cynojammer.
Or why not threadnaught about how you should be able to OOG play tic tac toe for station systems.
But please keep in mind that as BoB reverses the trend and start dissassembling your empire you won't see whine threads about anything. We will simply find a way to beat you. You had better pray that your sov 4 systems can continue to be protected by cynojammers.
Calm down.
Relist some Tritanium in K-9 and relax.
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maralt
Minmatar The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: maralt on 11/03/2008 15:31:30
Originally by: Post I actually like this idea of a smaller sub cap ship that can do insane damage but cannot hit anything less than a pos or maybe titan/supercap and can tank DD's etc for multiple hits. They could be brought in as a first strike wave to take down jammers, but imo they should also be as expensive as a dread and require dreadnaught 5 skill at least.
oooo funky idea i like the sound of it in principal.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Moonlight Express Imagine what would happen if CCP did not make any changes to allow goons to win?
The question is not æifÆ cyno jammer nerf is coming, itÆs æhow fast can it be put in the game, so that goons donÆt blackmail CCP to submission once againÆ. IÆm sure it will be sooner rather then later. If itÆs not in the next patch, there will be hell to pay, CCP.
CCP is not nerfing fast enough.
Canceling account now...
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maralt
Minmatar The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: Moonlight Express Imagine what would happen if CCP did not make any changes to allow goons to win?
The question is not æifÆ cyno jammer nerf is coming, itÆs æhow fast can it be put in the game, so that goons donÆt blackmail CCP to submission once againÆ. IÆm sure it will be sooner rather then later. If itÆs not in the next patch, there will be hell to pay, CCP.
CCP is not nerfing fast enough.
Canceling account now...
5k or so to go nice one ccp
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Post I actually like this idea of a smaller sub cap ship that can do insane damage but cannot hit anything less than a pos or maybe titan/supercap and can tank DD's etc for multiple hits. They could be brought in as a first strike wave to take down jammers, but imo they should also be as expensive as a dread and require dreadnaught 5 skill at least.
So you make a weaker dreadnaught, that's more expensive than a dreadnaught, needs much more training than a dreadnaught, but is a subcapital ship designed solely for killing cynojammers.
There where lots of very simple ideas that where posted in the link mentioned in the first reply of this thread, primarly being the breaking of the cynojammer / jumpbridge combo and the weaking of capitals while a cynojammer is online.
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:34:00 -
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Not seeing an issue here, a former multi-region empire is now bottled up into essentially a single system, and therefore able to throw everything including the kitchen sink into defending it. That they arenÆt going anywhere, is a victory in itself, CCP shouldn't change the goalposts just so that brute force alone can crac k the nut. And besides what would this achieve anyway? The only way to kill an alliance is by shattering their morale or some heinous act of treachery...
There's an obvious historical comparison that can be drawn here *cough*.... one side with the upper hand throwing endless resources away through being drawn into a futile battle and slowly bled dry, sounds pretty epic donÆt you think?
Starve 'em out, keep them bottled up, or keep the meatgrinder rolling
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Khorian
Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:36:00 -
[294]
Quick, someone go find and archive the quote of KIAtolon saying how goons internet spaceship empire is virtually invulnerable, for future reference.
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maralt
Minmatar The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:39:00 -
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I like the idea of a ship larger than a BS (so can tank multiple DDD) but smaller than a standard dread or carrier that can use gates and perhaps a cyno as well and has a high dmg output but tracking that only allows it to hit pos modules and capital ships.
Adding a counter is a much more positve way of doing things than nerfing summat.
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smitor
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:39:00 -
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no it should not require "dreadnought 5" or some other hillarious skilling scheme and neither should it cost as much as a dread. Afterall we are talking about a SUBcaptialship.
Both factors would limit the accessability and reduce the chance someone actually fields them to the point where we would be in the same situation as we are now with stealthbombers and triage mods. These newish ships would need to replace battleships on a borad scale for the specialized job of a jammer or pos takedown and in that context they would need to be available to all alliances and a broad base of pilots.
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Post
Man Pat And His Black And White Cat
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: Post I actually like this idea of a smaller sub cap ship that can do insane damage but cannot hit anything less than a pos or maybe titan/supercap and can tank DD's etc for multiple hits. They could be brought in as a first strike wave to take down jammers, but imo they should also be as expensive as a dread and require dreadnaught 5 skill at least.
So you make a weaker dreadnaught, that's more expensive than a dreadnaught, needs much more training than a dreadnaught, but is a subcapital ship designed solely for killing cynojammers.
There where lots of very simple ideas that where posted in the link mentioned in the first reply of this thread, primarly being the breaking of the cynojammer / jumpbridge combo and the weaking of capitals while a cynojammer is online.
Yes, why not? It would require effort to get this ship (surely goons insane logistics and industrial backbone could produce alot of them?) as opposed to just mindlessly nerfing something which doesn't need to be. Also the dreadnaught line of ships needs a precursor like the carrier has ms and then titan, imo.
Postman Pat
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Post
Man Pat And His Black And White Cat
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: smitor no it should not require "dreadnought 5" or some other hillarious skilling scheme and neither should it cost as much as a dread. Afterall we are talking about a SUBcaptialship.
Both factors would limit the accessability and reduce the chance someone actually fields them to the point where we would be in the same situation as we are now with stealthbombers and triage mods. These newish ships would need to replace battleships on a borad scale for the specialized job of a jammer or pos takedown and in that context they would need to be available to all alliances and a broad base of pilots.
Doesn't everyone had dread 5? :)
Postman Pat
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: smitor
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Tobruk I don't think cyno jammers are broken i think that the system limit is the issue.
The cyno jammer could be taken with BS vs Titan and 40 medium guns and carriers and support fleet IF the system had no limit.
Of course, but changing either titans or cynojammers is a lot more viable than upping the systemlimit. CCP can easily change titans and/or cynojammers, but so far all attempts at increasing the system limit to the extent that would be needed have failed miserably.
So the point you are actually making is that ccp should remodel the game around the fact that they cant seem to get lag under control. If you advertise that its not cynojammers or titans we are talking about but evecombat as a whole which is broken. Pos sieges and one-grid battles on a client designed for 1 on 1 combat in a 2003 enviromnet with 10k players is the problem and hence ccp should maybe focus on fixing these issues instead of just doing carrot style changes which make customers happy until the next hardcoded limit is reached.
Oveur advertising massive fleetfights with 100s of players fighting each other in a single shard universe with 100s of drones doing flybys on awesome supercaps smartbombing and doomsdaying left right and center all playable like a console game just doesnt look like todays eve.
So maybe just maybe instead of telling each other how the other ones toys are actually broken we should tell ccp how broken their game is. I personally found it hillarious that noone in the "what would you fix in eve" round on evetv had the guts to tell magnus to fix the damn lag as its what really kills the fun of the game both in empire and 0.0 on air and instead they hi5ed each other begging for faction ships and arenastyle combat.
Listen.
Yes, the primary problem is lag. Without lag this whole problem would not exist. But we have lag. And its not just once in a while under specific circumstances or when Oveur spilt his whisky over the serverpark again, its very predictable. Whenever you get over X number of people, lets say 200 in a system you get lag. At 200 it is noticeable, at 300 its bad, at 400 its unplayable, at 500+ you don't know cause all you see is a black screen.
Now I have faith in CCP. Faith in them in the sense that if they had some kind of magic wand or a special altar where they could pray to Bill Gates and the other deities in the ICT pantheon or hell, even a programming solution, that they would fix lag. But they can't. Its simply not feasible.
So the primary problem can't be fixed. What do you do then? giving up is an option, I guess. Or maybe you try to change some game mechanics that either make lag not that important anymore, or perhaps even some game mechanic that encourages people not to gather all in 1 system all the time. Anything.
So we're in that stage now. Lag won't go away. We will not have 500 vs 500 battles running smoothly on TQ within the next 5 years. I'll bet a billion isk on it. So we're looking at alternatives that are feasible and work around the lag in any way. This discussion is not about BoB's toys being broken, or Goons toys being broken. Its about CCP. They have all the toys, they decide how it works.
And bottomline, yes, I do believe that lag is a factor that CCP should take into account when designing/changing game features. If not, I would like my 10 drones back on my Domi please.
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Post
Originally by: smitor no it should not require "dreadnought 5" or some other hillarious skilling scheme and neither should it cost as much as a dread. Afterall we are talking about a SUBcaptialship.
Both factors would limit the accessability and reduce the chance someone actually fields them to the point where we would be in the same situation as we are now with stealthbombers and triage mods. These newish ships would need to replace battleships on a borad scale for the specialized job of a jammer or pos takedown and in that context they would need to be available to all alliances and a broad base of pilots.
Doesn't everyone had dread 5? :)
You should of gone with BS 5 and made them a uninsurable T2 ship, would of been a lot better troll.
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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