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Zorland
Minmatar Detinus Republic
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: Zorland You Goons fail at this game. Don't you see that yet? If the situation was different, and BOB was attacking your home systems, you'd be whining to CCP to boost cyno jammers, jump bridges and other defensive POS structures.
They did, we repelled them, without a jammer.
Whoopsy.
No you didn't, you whined for the titan nerf, same thing you are trying again.
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KIATolon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:45:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Zorland
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: Zorland You Goons fail at this game. Don't you see that yet? If the situation was different, and BOB was attacking your home systems, you'd be whining to CCP to boost cyno jammers, jump bridges and other defensive POS structures.
They did, we repelled them, without a jammer.
Whoopsy.
No you didn't, you whined for the titan nerf, same thing you are trying again.
I whined for a titan nerf in QY6 last week? Oh, you have no idea what you're talking about :) my bad.
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Zorland
Minmatar Detinus Republic
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:47:00 -
[123]
Originally by: xttz
Originally by: Zorland Edited by: Zorland on 10/03/2008 16:26:36 You Goons fail at this game. Don't you see that yet? If the situation was different, and BOB was attacking your home systems, you'd be whining to CCP to boost cyno jammers, jump bridges and other defensive POS structures. For the last few years this fight is going on, you are doing nothing but complaining and blackmailing CCP to change the game the way it suits you. BOB didn't ask for one single game change when you blobed them, they didn't whine to CCP when you brought even bigger blob of your friends, they didn't whine once when CCP nerfed them again and again. They adapt and overcome. So maybe you will learn one day. It's really not about the game and game mechanincs. It's about the people in front of that computer screen. Dedication and skill. That's what you don't have and that's something CCP can't give you. That is why they are better then you. That's why you little whiny ****s fail, and that's why BOB has all of my respect. That is why I am BOB fanboi and that is why I can't stand you.
Your tears, they taste so good
I don't think you get it, it is you, you are crying in this thread
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Celot
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:49:00 -
[124]
You know what would be great? An add-on to POSes that makes it take days or weeks longer to take them down. If only we had something like that. A "cyno-jammer" if you will.
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KIATolon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:49:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Zorland I don't think you get it, it is you, you are crying in this thread
Where is xttz crying in this thread?
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Zorland
Minmatar Detinus Republic
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:50:00 -
[126]
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: Zorland
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: Zorland You Goons fail at this game. Don't you see that yet? If the situation was different, and BOB was attacking your home systems, you'd be whining to CCP to boost cyno jammers, jump bridges and other defensive POS structures.
They did, we repelled them, without a jammer.
Whoopsy.
No you didn't, you whined for the titan nerf, same thing you are trying again.
I whined for a titan nerf in QY6 last week? Oh, you have no idea what you're talking about :) my bad.
I was talking about 9-9 and 66. But ok, if you repelled them and it's all looking good, why all the tears?
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rValdez5987
Amarr Killed In Action The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:50:00 -
[127]
I want to go back to a post on page two and make a good point.
Quote: CCP have already stated that cynojammers were intended to be a tool to: a) Encourage subcapital combat b) Give multiple smaller objectives in soverignty wars, reducing the 'blob' Instead they: a) Encourage capitals vs sub-capitals b) Provide a single large obstacle that can only be large fleet
The simple fix is: Make it so that a cynojammed system, will either not allow capitals in system period, whether from jump gates or otherwise (you cant undock in a capital) or, a capital is not able to leave the pos shield (this would have issues if the shield were destroyed. option A sounds better)
The second thing that needs to happen is reduce the devices hp by 50%
End result: You both are limited to battleships and below, and the cynojammer doesnt require quite as much work.
Although I really want to defend BoB on this way, and say they arent broken... I feel they kind of are, due to what the original goal was with them...
Regardless, BoB has a hell of a setup for defense. Hopefully the goon tears stop with cynojammers....
And as far as the whole BoB have isk issue.... its the same as the real world...
Are you going to strip the rich man of his money, because your poor and you dont have any? Go out there and make some... stop whining because other people have it.
/feedback My views and opinions are my own, not my corp or alliances.
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Zorland
Minmatar Detinus Republic
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:51:00 -
[128]
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: Zorland I don't think you get it, it is you, you are crying in this thread
Where is xttz crying in this thread?
"You" as in "Goons"
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:52:00 -
[129]
Originally by: rValdez5987 Are you going to strip the rich man of his money, because your poor and you dont have any? Go out there and make some... stop whining because other people have it.
Tell that to capital gains tax.
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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KIATolon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:53:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Zorland
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: Zorland I don't think you get it, it is you, you are crying in this thread
Where is xttz crying in this thread?
"You" as in "Goons"
oh
Sorry because 3 or 4 out of a few thousand in this thread could be seen as crying (although I really dont see that either) and just as many are not (in this thread), that means we all are. My bad.
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rValdez5987
Amarr Killed In Action The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:54:00 -
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I tell you what.... I found it funny that after all this campaigning against BoB and friends.... they run into NOL, fail, and then everything falls apart....
coalition members are shooting eachother... new wars have erupted... RA is distracted in drone regions...
BoB wins eve. My views and opinions are my own, not my corp or alliances.
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Celot
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:56:00 -
[132]
Edited by: Celot on 10/03/2008 16:57:26
Originally by: rValdez5987 I tell you what.... I found it funny that after all this campaigning against BoB and friends.... they run into NOL, fail, and then everything falls apart....
coalition members are shooting eachother... new wars have erupted... RA is distracted in drone regions...
BoB wins eve.
yeah we're getting owned pretty hardcore, I think that's why you have more than 300 goons joining the jihadswarm campaign
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maralt
Minmatar The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Zorland
Originally by: KIATolon I whined for a titan nerf in QY6 last week? Oh, you have no idea what you're talking about :) my bad.
I was talking about 9-9 and 66. But ok, if you repelled them and it's all looking good, why all the tears?
GOONS are still claiming that last weeks probe into q6 by BOB was a massive and overwhelming assault by the entire GBC to push back the coalition and conquer known space and that they defended valiantly and saved several puppies and 4 fluffy kittens along the way.
Its the only thing they have actually done this year that did not end in a total spanking so be gentle with them they are a bit touchy about it at this rather delicate time.
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Pinpisa Jormao
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:59:00 -
[134]
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 16:59:00 -
[135]
Originally by: maralt
Originally by: Zorland
Originally by: KIATolon I whined for a titan nerf in QY6 last week? Oh, you have no idea what you're talking about :) my bad.
I was talking about 9-9 and 66. But ok, if you repelled them and it's all looking good, why all the tears?
GOONS are still claiming that last weeks probe into q6 by BOB was a massive and overwhelming assault by the entire GBC to push back the coalition and conquer known space and that they defended valiantly and saved several puppies and 4 fluffy kittens along the way.
Its the only thing they have actually done this year that did not end in a total spanking so be gentle with them they are a bit touchy about it at this rather delicate time.
Aside from taking the rest of BoB's space of course.
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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KIATolon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:03:00 -
[136]
Originally by: maralt
GOONS are still claiming that last weeks probe into q6 by BOB was a massive and overwhelming assault by the entire GBC to push back the coalition and conquer known space and that they defended valiantly and saved several puppies and 4 fluffy kittens along the way.
Its the only thing they have actually done this year that did not end in a total spanking so be gentle with them they are a bit touchy about it at this rather delicate time.
Didn't we TAKE qy6 this year already?
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Zorland
Minmatar Detinus Republic
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:03:00 -
[137]
Originally by: KIATolon
Sorry because 3 or 4 out of a few thousand in this thread could be seen as crying (although I really dont see that either) and just as many are not (in this thread), that means we all are. My bad.
You don't see it? Well let me help you...
Goons crying post #1
Welp us post #2
Bitter Goon tears post #3
and many many other posts in other sections of the forum. So many tears in one single day ...
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Nlewis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:04:00 -
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yes we wanted to boost cynojammers before they were introduced to the game
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:06:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Zorland
Originally by: KIATolon
Sorry because 3 or 4 out of a few thousand in this thread could be seen as crying (although I really dont see that either) and just as many are not (in this thread), that means we all are. My bad.
You don't see it? Well let me help you...
Goons crying post #1
Welp us post #2
Bitter Goon tears post #3
and many many other posts in other sections of the forum. So many tears in one single day ...
The "goons crying post #1" is the best part.
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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smitor
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:20:00 -
[140]
if you look beyond the tags under every name and just focus on the actual situation you will have the core problem with jammers, pos, deathstars and supercaps right at hand.
There is a balance issue when it comes to investing isk. A Defender who invested huge amounts of isk into a) getting a system sov up by placing and mainting pos b) dropping atleast 250-400 bln isk in 4 well fit titans (bpos included) c) dropping another 200-300 bln isk in 10 well fit motherships (bpos included) d) invested a few billion isk in pos fuel e) invested in a station 22 bln isk f) invested in a fleet of 50 dreads and 50 carriers billing total 200 bln isk ? is able to defend with about 200 active ppl a region from 600 ppl trying to disable the cyno jammer flying t2 fitted battleships/logistics.
Quality of equipment pays actually out seems the logic behind it. Is that something which is wrong ?
As Diana suggested if Jumpbridge use of titans was changed and maybe it took slightly more time to reonline a jammer the system would really work as intended.
Any other change is just going to help more the "bring numbers and you can crush any defence" crowd.
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rValdez5987
Amarr Killed In Action The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:24:00 -
[141]
Quote: yeah we're getting owned pretty hardcore, I think that's why you have more than 300 goons joining the jihadswarm campaign
What the HELL does that have to do with BoB.
Your suiciding miners in freaking empire... It's completely pathetic. I have no problem killing miners when its due to a war, low sec, 0.0.... because hey, they are stupid enough to mine during a war, in low sec unprotected or 0.0 unprotected.
But suiciding miners.. then bragging about it.. and now using it as a point how your not getting owned hardcore... thats stretching it a bit m8.
It would be nice if all goons were on the same page. It seems like you all have completely different opinions on things, some deny jihadswarm, some denounce it, and some are like "so wut lol"
/facepalm My views and opinions are my own, not my corp or alliances.
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rValdez5987
Amarr Killed In Action The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.10 17:28:00 -
[142]
Edited by: rValdez5987 on 10/03/2008 17:29:16
Quote: if you look beyond the tags under every name and just focus on the actual situation you will have the core problem with jammers, pos, deathstars and supercaps right at hand.
There is a balance issue when it comes to investing isk. A Defender who invested huge amounts of isk into a) getting a system sov up by placing and mainting pos b) dropping atleast 250-400 bln isk in 4 well fit titans (bpos included) c) dropping another 200-300 bln isk in 10 well fit motherships (bpos included) d) invested a few billion isk in pos fuel e) invested in a station 22 bln isk f) invested in a fleet of 50 dreads and 50 carriers billing total 200 bln isk ? is able to defend with about 200 active ppl a region from 600 ppl trying to disable the cyno jammer flying t2 fitted battleships/logistics.
Quality of equipment pays actually out seems the logic behind it. Is that something which is wrong ?
As Diana suggested if Jumpbridge use of titans was changed and maybe it took slightly more time to reonline a jammer the system would really work as intended.
Any other change is just going to help more the "bring numbers and you can crush any defence" crowd.
I fully agree.
Lets strike my change suggestions from the record. My views and opinions are my own, not my corp or alliances.
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Desiderata Fabian
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 18:02:00 -
[143]
Originally by: smitor if you look beyond the tags under every name and just focus on the actual situation you will have the core problem with jammers, pos, deathstars and supercaps right at hand.
There is a balance issue when it comes to investing isk. A Defender who invested huge amounts of isk into a) getting a system sov up by placing and mainting pos b) dropping atleast 250-400 bln isk in 4 well fit titans (bpos included) c) dropping another 200-300 bln isk in 10 well fit motherships (bpos included) d) invested a few billion isk in pos fuel e) invested in a station 22 bln isk f) invested in a fleet of 50 dreads and 50 carriers billing total 200 bln isk ? is able to defend with about 200 active ppl a region from 600 ppl trying to disable the cyno jammer flying t2 fitted battleships/logistics.
Quality of equipment pays actually out seems the logic behind it. Is that something which is wrong ?
As Diana suggested if Jumpbridge use of titans was changed and maybe it took slightly more time to reonline a jammer the system would really work as intended.
Any other change is just going to help more the "bring numbers and you can crush any defence" crowd.
Having invested alot of money in the defence, the attacker is than not allowed to invest that amount of money on the attack, because of the cynojammer. Your argument is one for an unbreakable defence, and in the light of the steady power creep and isk inflation in this game one that eventualy everyone will be able to employ.
Also "I have spent more money than you ergo I should win" is not the kind of thing eve grabs me as being about.
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Hrin
Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 18:09:00 -
[144]
Edited by: Hrin on 10/03/2008 18:10:31 Goonswarm deals with and fights under conditions that no other entity in eve has (or will again). We're facing an enemy with 4 titans, cynojammers, and an extensive jumpbridge network.
If you remove any one of those factors and things change drastically, but they are all there. Nobody in Eve has fought this kind of war. Why are you idiots surprised that under these circumstances we find unbalanced and unintended game mechanics?
How many consecutive DDs does CCP intend? What kind of cynojammer killing fleet should you bring to fight off a hostile fleet, weather the deathstar, tank DDs, and deal with fighters under the omnipresent lag?
Should isk guarantee victory in Eve?
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maralt
Minmatar The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.10 18:14:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Hrin Goonswarm deals with and fights under conditions that no other entity in eve has (or will again). We're facing an enemy with 4 titans, cynojammers, and an extensive jumpbridge network.
WTF are you talking about " or will again" plenty of large alliance's in EVE now have multiple titans, jammers and jump bridges ffs.
Stop whining and use that claimed 0.0 warfare expertise, logistic greatness and uber diplo skills you have bragged about for the last 12 months to deal with them.
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Nlewis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 18:19:00 -
[146]
Originally by: maralt Edited by: maralt on 10/03/2008 18:16:20
Originally by: Hrin Goonswarm deals with and fights under conditions that no other entity in eve has (or will again). We're facing an enemy with 4 titans, cynojammers, and an extensive jumpbridge network.
WTF are you talking about "(or will again)" plenty of large alliance's in EVE now have multiple titans, jammers and jump bridges ffs.
Stop whining and use that claimed 0.0 warfare expertise, logistic greatness and uber diplo skills you have bragged about for the last 12 months to deal with them.
you are dumb and should learn something called context. He's talking about before the inevitable nerf to cynojammers
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Hrin
Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Hrin on 10/03/2008 18:19:56
Originally by: maralt Edited by: maralt on 10/03/2008 18:16:20
Originally by: Hrin Goonswarm deals with and fights under conditions that no other entity in eve has (or will again). We're facing an enemy with 4 titans, cynojammers, and an extensive jumpbridge network.
WTF are you talking about "(or will again)" plenty of large alliance's in EVE now have multiple titans, jammers and jump bridges ffs.
Stop whining and use that claimed 0.0 warfare expertise, logistic greatness and uber diplo skills you have bragged about for the last 12 months to deal with them.
you're pretty dumb. CCP has already stated that they will be nerfing cynojammers
edit: ARG! EFB!
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 18:20:00 -
[148]
Originally by: smitor if you look beyond the tags under every name and just focus on the actual situation you will have the core problem with jammers, pos, deathstars and supercaps right at hand.
There is a balance issue when it comes to investing isk. A Defender who invested huge amounts of isk into a) getting a system sov up by placing and mainting pos b) dropping atleast 250-400 bln isk in 4 well fit titans (bpos included) c) dropping another 200-300 bln isk in 10 well fit motherships (bpos included) d) invested a few billion isk in pos fuel e) invested in a station 22 bln isk f) invested in a fleet of 50 dreads and 50 carriers billing total 200 bln isk ? is able to defend with about 200 active ppl a region from 600 ppl trying to disable the cyno jammer flying t2 fitted battleships/logistics.
Attacker who...
a) wants to attack sov system b) dropped at least >500 bln ISK in X well fit Titans (BPOs included) c) dropped another 400-500 bln into 20 well fit motherships (BPOs included) d) invested a few billion ISK in isotopes to get into defender's systems (and let's add fuel for POSes that attackers are running now) e) didn't invest anything in station, because they want to take it (investing in station gives you ****all advantage in defending - POSes and ships do) f) invested in fleet of 100 dreads and 100 carriers billing total of gazillion ISK
...isn't able to actually attack a system, because defender can jumpbridge his whole capital fleet through jumpbridge modules that magically bring capitals (that require a cyno field to jump to) into a system with cynojammer (which prevents cyno fields from being generated).
I can imagine a logistics nightmare ("Hey guys, where do we keep Liquid Ozone? Ah, thanks.") involved in jumping capital fleet from J-L to F-T via jumpbridge, for example.
Must be horrible.
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Athena Attom
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.10 18:23:00 -
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There is about 5 easy counters that I can think of for the cyno jammer. If you cant think of ways to get in without titans already being there then thats your own fault.
If you dont prepare and do the same old attack sure its going to get beaten. Your numbers are down because cyno jammer attacks result in your fleet being slaughtered because you wolnt open the box and RR BS's are your only counter, attack the jammer off peak hours, attack it with such a force its down in 5 minutes.
Tonnes of things, you managed easily in NOL- to take down the jammer at a pos and then proceed to reinforce every pos in system and the RSF jumped in something like 60-70 capitals. How can you claim these need a nerf when your able to take it down and then get the necessary ships in to kill the towers inside system? Stop blaming your failure on the game rather than your commitment to taking the systems.
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Hrin
Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.10 18:27:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Athena Attom There is about 5 easy counters that I can think of for the cyno jammer. If you cant think of ways to get in without titans already being there then thats your own fault.
If you dont prepare and do the same old attack sure its going to get beaten. Your numbers are down because cyno jammer attacks result in your fleet being slaughtered because you wolnt open the box and RR BS's are your only counter, attack the jammer off peak hours, attack it with such a force its down in 5 minutes.
Tonnes of things, you managed easily in NOL- to take down the jammer at a pos and then proceed to reinforce every pos in system and the RSF jumped in something like 60-70 capitals. How can you claim these need a nerf when your able to take it down and then get the necessary ships in to kill the towers inside system? Stop blaming your failure on the game rather than your commitment to taking the systems.
Oh hey guys I have all these ideas about solving your problems, but I won't tell you because that would be helping the enemy, but you should trust me anyway cuz i so smart and better than you.
But anyway, let me make up things while ignoring any special circumstances that may have existed in the past. Also, I will ignore lol spies and other obvious counter-counters because it suites me at this time.
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