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Spartac0 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:06:00 - [2011] Originally by: Barasu I moved away from 00 because of the reason its eaither blobbing or nano ships. I know they are killable but the resources to do it are just not worth it. No fights will ever happen with you guys if the odds are not in your favor. You guys just live to gank. its sad that your powerhouse is comming to a end but now its time for you to discover some new fitting. and because you think it's not worth it (to counter nano gangs) means CCP should nerf it? you are very coherent in your statements. Because some people fly ships in a way you don't like them to fly (because it's hard to kill them) the GAME ITSELF should be changed to match your criteria of how the game should be played, "CCP please Let's change the game so i can win!" it is easier to counter nano gangs than u think, the tools are there but you lack the will or the skill to do it... next thing you know, you'll be asking to nerf officer mods so that titans can die faster. this might sound arrogant but i don't mean it that way at all but i gotta say it: not everyone is skilled enough as a pilot to be able to fly above 15km/s in nano gangs OR not, it's much harder to do that than the easy mode of regular fleet combat that you're so used to. there are so many variables you need to account for (lag, cloaked rapiers, neuts, ecm, etc), flying those speeds you cannot afford mistakes. I keep saying, there are some ships that should not be flying their current speeds (claymore and sleipnir for instance), as long as the "rebalance" makes what is supposed to be fast still fast and what is supposed to be slow to make it slow, make it as it's supposed to be. liaoliao520 > These foreigners killed you! ! Dry your mother!
Theodox Gotan No Trademark	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:06:00 - [2012] Originally by: Archetype02 Originally by: Matrix Skye i already said i know it's hard for pandemic legion, dood i understand your anguish. but seriously, calling carebears whiners and little girls isn't cool . i'm telling you i understand. us carebears go through changes all the time. we just have to learn to adapt man. be cool. wait.. your last adaptation was missions getting harder OH THE HORROR!!! THE PAIN !! we are losing a viable option in pvp because you A. cant be arsed to fit against us. B. Fail to fit against us. C. Rant on forums about A.& B. nom nom nom nom your tears are delicious.
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:07:00 - [2013] Originally by: Silevran Levanadel Quote: Attention! The modifications discussed below are all subject to change, based on player input and testing experience. Even though tis line was the first in the blog, and highlighted in yellow, it could seem that many people overlooked it. felt it was worth to direct peoples attention to it. They stated that it was a brainstorm, an idea, a proposed change. But if you think its a bad move (and i have absolutely no idea of pvp) then go to the test server and show them how bad the changes are. /rant off Sorry about that, but the blog is barely out before a (at the moment of writing) 78 page long thread has sprung up, with whines and whatnot. Guess it just kinda ticked me off. Typically language such as 'subject to change' is just boilerplate language and is them CYA'ing. Of course it's subject to change, if they find on the test server (okay for 1v1, but far from a good simulation of what it will actually DO to the game) something is absolutely trashy, they'll change it. But they wouldn't have posted a list if it was just a 'brainstorm'. These changes are going in MONDAY, that's in two days. If this was only a brainstorm, the code wouldn't be changed already eh? And a 78 page long thread is expected and justified imo. People have spent billions on these ships, months and years training for them, and are having the rug pulled out by a list of nerfs that's as subtle as a sledgehammer. Maybe if CCP put more than 5 hours of thought into this, maybe if they implemented only a few changes at a time (rather than EVERYTHING they came up with), maybe if they justified it by anything but a loltastic vagabond setup (with no special named mods mind you), maybe then people wouldn't be a little frustrated/disappointed with them and this thread wouldn't be nearing 80 pages after a day, heh. I'm off topic so I'll stop, but anyways, don't put too much faith in boilerplate language like 'subject to change'. They own the game, and they can do what they want with these changes. Battleships are 'subject to change', and they could remove them tomorrow if they wanted to. That doesn't make it likely, and neither does that language in the OP.
Balcura	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:09:00 - [2014] Figured I would chime in now that were way into it. Of the 78 pages I've read about 30 of them and just smile. Remember a Time... When you could fit and activate (at the same time) 2 MWD's... the game figuted you were going too fast then, just like now. When armor and Shield hardners suffered no stacking penalities (Scorpian Tank stands out) When Damage mods suffered no stacking penalities (Pulse GANK Geddon anyone) NOS could drain an enemies cap and power your duel tank (NOS Domi's) Carriers could load Inty 5's into cargo bay full of crap (each carring 50km3 in the cargo hold) Cruise missile launchers on a frigate class ship Introduction of capitals and POS seiges (supercaps too) Lastly: Remember when there was no tech 2 modules... With all the changes in the game that were considered "game breaking" all they managed to do was change combat and PvP. You all have fallen into the flavor of the month, skill for months and bought the best crap just to have it all changes (BTW I'm pist about my skirmish warfare links being nerfed) but still the end result is that PvP will changes again and you guys will still be able to find many ways to kill people. I do agree that the entire game has changed over and over and this one is going to be problematic to deal with as having titans/mom's/carriers dropped on your head is all too common now there will be the "new" best thing.
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:09:00 - [2015] Originally by: Dray Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Dray 10 out of 10 for missing the point... i know i was thinking the same thing. but i don't think pandemic and tri get it. hehe, let's not tell them yet though. theyre good people sersiously though. I meant you tbh.... ummm what do you mean? i dont think calling pandemic and tri names is going to help, we HAVE to try and help them adapt! not insult them you see my point?
Theodox Gotan No Trademark	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:09:00 - [2016] Edited by: Theodox Gotan on 26/07/2008 18:10:30 Originally by: gtcsellalt Edited by: gtcsellalt on 26/07/2008 17:59:11 Originally by: Theodox Gotan the tears of nano'ers are delicious. nom nom nom nom nom ... time for a tear milkshake oh my god, you mean .... nano gangs are actually going to have to RISK somthing now?! lol still fitting stabs/cloak on carrier? you lost me ... please elaborate :) p.s. your tears are the best of all.
Commander Tigre Minmatar Killed In Action	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:10:00 - [2017] Edited by: Commander Tigre on 26/07/2008 18:14:33 Originally by: Spacetrekka Well, it is good to see speed tanking is getting "rebalanced", as a ship that cannot be hit by drones, guns, or missiles is a tad rediculous or "ludicrous". ... Everyone who whines about their drones not catching a ceptor or missiles not traveling fast enough is not fitting for it. It is easy to build a ship with drones that travel over 10km/s and target out to 200 km. Also, all you missile spammers whine that your missiles cant travel fast enough to hit. TRY PRECISION MISSILES, they work wonders on those fast moving ships. Not to mention adding rigs to increase your missile speed. This game really is full of people who want to do everything with a single ship and be good at it. EVERY SHIP has a role, figure out what it is and play it. Dont whine when you fit for a tank and cant hit fast targets and be fast yourself. "We Choose to listen to the lies we don't want to hear. The truth is, your already dead." - Commander Tigre
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:10:00 - [2018] Originally by: Theodox Gotan Originally by: Archetype02 Originally by: Matrix Skye i already said i know it's hard for pandemic legion, dood i understand your anguish. but seriously, calling carebears whiners and little girls isn't cool . i'm telling you i understand. us carebears go through changes all the time. we just have to learn to adapt man. be cool. wait.. your last adaptation was missions getting harder OH THE HORROR!!! THE PAIN !! we are losing a viable option in pvp because you A. cant be arsed to fit against us. B. Fail to fit against us. C. Rant on forums about A.& B. nom nom nom nom your tears are delicious. At least we're trying to be constructive you idiot. Click me! You know you want to...
SK Rooster No Trademark	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:10:00 - [2019] Originally by: Korinn I fly a claymore. It goes 4.7k/sec before overload. That is not to say people haven't tried to kill it, it's just that 99% of the time when I've been engaged it's been by a moron who has no idea about transversal, speed, inertia or webs in general and I've managed to get away by not being utterly ****ed. It's not the speed or the ship setups that makes people believe that nanogangs are unkillable, the people they fight who feel the need to whinge about supposed unkillable setups. All it takes is a bit of common sense to make your fleet almost impossible to hurt with a nanogang, and yet people are too lazy to even think about it. ok, since you are such genius, explain how i am suppose to kill a command ship that goes 4.7km/s with a traditional gang (read not nano). Originally by:** Korinn All it takes is a bit of common sense to make your fleet almost impossible to hurt with a nanogang, and yet people are too lazy to even think about it. maybe people whine because they dont want to be able to just survive a nanogang, but, oh, i dont know, actually kill one of the nanoships???
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:12:00 - [2020] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Dray Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Dray 10 out of 10 for missing the point... i know i was thinking the same thing. but i don't think pandemic and tri get it. hehe, let's not tell them yet though. theyre good people sersiously though. I meant you tbh.... ummm what do you mean? i dont think calling pandemic and tri names is going to help, we HAVE to try and help them adapt! not insult them you see my point? How often do you need to be called a total ****** before you realise that aside from a few bitter mission runners and game trolls that nobody either likes you or thinks this is a good idea. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
SK Rooster No Trademark	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:13:00 - [2021] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Dray Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Dray 10 out of 10 for missing the point... i know i was thinking the same thing. but i don't think pandemic and tri get it. hehe, let's not tell them yet though. theyre good people sersiously though. I meant you tbh.... ummm what do you mean? i dont think calling pandemic and tri names is going to help, we HAVE to try and help them adapt! not insult them you see my point? How often do you need to be called a total ****** before you realise that aside from a few bitter mission runners and game trolls that nobody either likes you or thinks this is a good idea. someone call the whaaaaambulance
Barasu Minmatar Earned In Blood	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:14:00 - [2022] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Dray Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Dray 10 out of 10 for missing the point... i know i was thinking the same thing. but i don't think pandemic and tri get it. hehe, let's not tell them yet though. theyre good people sersiously though. I meant you tbh.... ummm what do you mean? i dont think calling pandemic and tri names is going to help, we HAVE to try and help them adapt! not insult them you see my point? How often do you need to be called a total ****** before you realise that aside from a few bitter mission runners and game trolls that nobody either likes you or thinks this is a good idea. Lighten up Sophi! I hope they do something, probably modify this but Nanowh\|orage needs to end!
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:14:00 - [2023] Originally by: SK Rooster Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Dray Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Dray 10 out of 10 for missing the point... i know i was thinking the same thing. but i don't think pandemic and tri get it. hehe, let's not tell them yet though. theyre good people sersiously though. I meant you tbh.... ummm what do you mean? i dont think calling pandemic and tri names is going to help, we HAVE to try and help them adapt! not insult them you see my point? How often do you need to be called a total ****** before you realise that aside from a few bitter mission runners and game trolls that nobody either likes you or thinks this is a good idea. someone call the whaaaaambulance Your corporation appears to be a shining beacon of intelligence and reason. Click me! You know you want to...
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:15:00 - [2024] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean How often do you need to be called a total ****** before you realise that aside from a few bitter mission runners and game trolls that nobody either likes you or thinks this is a good idea. i know i know. its just that all these other guys (from pandemic and tri) think that nanos aren't overpowered and i get frustrated telling them to see things like you and me. but they just dont get it through their thick heads. it seems only us smart ones can see through the doom and gloom . have you tried explaining it to them? they don't listen!
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:17:00 - [2025] To the nano people: Is there a point to bringing frigates, BC's, or BS's out with your nanogang? Why and why not? Would you ever bring one out for a small roaming gang? ----------------- Friends Forever
Commander Tigre Minmatar Killed In Action	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:20:00 - [2026] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg To the nano people: Is there a point to bringing frigates, BC's, or BS's out with your nanogang? Why and why not? Would you ever bring one out for a small roaming gang? The quick answer is yes, and it is to fill the roles needed to combat specific gangs. If you cannot believe this, well have fun throwing money at CCP. "We Choose to listen to the lies we don't want to hear. The truth is, your already dead." - Commander Tigre
Korinn The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:20:00 - [2027] Edited by: Korinn on 26/07/2008 18:21:21 Originally by: SK Rooster ok, since you are such genius, explain how i am suppose to kill a command ship that goes 4.7km/s with a traditional gang (read not nano). maybe people whine because they dont want to be able to just survive a nanogang, but, oh, i dont know, actually kill one of the nanoships??? Ok... it's a fat and slow claymore... it can't web from outside 19km, it has a limited cargo hold (8 cap 800's) and no real active tank... you get this thing called a rapier or a huginn, you web the thing, and you kill it with guns or missiles. If i notice the huginn / rapier fast enough, I'll hit overload and try to get out of range of whatever you have trying to kill me. It's pretty simple really. My claymore is setup specifically so I can tackle way out of heavy neut range (and I spent a significant amount of money making it so), but 40km is still well within minmatar recon web range and its not that hard to stop something like a claymore dead in its tracks if you're an acceptable recon pilot. I'm not saying the claymore (or any nano ship) isn't hard to kill (that is the whole idea when fighting people who outnumber you 2+:1), but there are a shedload of options for you to take, even with a non nano gang which allows you the ability to catch and kill nano gangs. Hey when nanos are ****ing about 100km away from your fleet, why not have a prober run a probe and warp your entire fleet to the result instantly, you might catch something. Then again, you might only warp half your fleet while the other half get bubbled, your guys who warped out get killed without support and you proceed to whinge that nanos are invincible. This is how PVP works; in this case, the nano gang outsmarted you by bubbling half your fleet as you didn't have everyone aligned and you paid dearly for your mistake
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:20:00 - [2028] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean How often do you need to be called a total ****** before you realise that aside from a few bitter mission runners and game trolls that nobody either likes you or thinks this is a good idea. i know i know. its just that all these other guys (from pandemic and tri) think that nanos aren't overpowered and i get frustrated telling them to see things like you and me. but they just dont get it through their thick heads. it seems only us smart ones can see through the doom and gloom . have you tried explaining it to them? they don't listen! They are right its ppl like you who are unwilling to learn piloting skills that are reducing the game and its content. Here is a way for the morons who want eve to be perfectly "BALANCED" as thats the word they like to use. Remove every ship apart from one from the game give it a single available fit and also give everybody perfect skills in it. There perfect "BALANCE". My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
Cutesmile	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:24:00 - [2029] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg To the nano people: Is there a point to bringing frigates, BC's, or BS's out with your nanogang? Why and why not? Would you ever bring one out for a small roaming gang? Hey man we not speaking for frigates. T2 ships and BS go to crap. Blaster ships go to crap for this patch. Matar ships go to crap. (Hyena,Huginn,Rapier,Vagabond and Tempest worster BS in the game) Allright i see, u will flying with Drake and u will be use missile spam and F1-F8 or u wanna kill with a crow a Huginn or Rapier.
Clone 231D	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:25:00 - [2030] Well I guess one final post won't hurt. Hopefully if and when this balancing goes thru, it will become plainly obvious which pilots/alliances are all they say they are. Reminds me of when remote DDDs got nerfed. Sure, BoB is pretty badass, but they weren't that badass (taking regions like candy from a baby.)
Daelan Lok'errt SoT	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:25:00 - [2031] and no replys from CCP representatives for a long time now... I do hope that when one of them posts next it will be something along the lines of "Gee wiz, guys, you didn't really believe that stupid bullshit, did you?"
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:26:00 - [2032] Originally by: Clone 231D Well I guess one final post won't hurt. Hopefully if and when this balancing goes thru, it will become plainly obvious which pilots/alliances are all they say they are. Reminds me of when remote DDDs got nerfed. Sure, BoB is pretty badass, but they weren't that badass (taking regions like candy from a baby.) yea its not like 3--40 thousand players attacked them all at the same time and yet still failed to destroy them............... My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:27:00 - [2033] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean They are right its ppl like you who are unwilling to learn piloting skills that are reducing the game and its content. Here is a way for the morons who want eve to be perfectly "BALANCED" as thats the word they like to use. Remove every ship apart from one from the game give it a single available fit and also give everybody perfect skills in it. There perfect "BALANCE". I was thinking more along the lines of CCP actually fixing the imbalances such as nanos and letting the tards from Pandemic and Tri die off, since obviously they cannot live without hugging nanos . Just quit and move on already. I have enough tears from you alone to power my satisfaction that you suck at Eve. Bye bye.
Spacetrekka	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:28:00 - [2034] Originally by: Commander Tigre Edited by: Commander Tigre on 26/07/2008 18:14:33 Originally by: Spacetrekka Well, it is good to see speed tanking is getting "rebalanced", as a ship that cannot be hit by drones, guns, or missiles is a tad rediculous or "ludicrous". ... Everyone who whines about their drones not catching a ceptor or missiles not traveling fast enough is not fitting for it. It is easy to build a ship with drones that travel over 10km/s and target out to 200 km. Also, all you missile spammers whine that your missiles cant travel fast enough to hit. TRY PRECISION MISSILES, they work wonders on those fast moving ships. Not to mention adding rigs to increase your missile speed. This game really is full of people who want to do everything with a single ship and be good at it. EVERY SHIP has a role, figure out what it is and play it. Dont whine when you fit for a tank and cant hit fast targets and be fast yourself. You make an excellent point, as such ships can be fitted. When one pvps, should they be limited to only being able to counter one tactic? Solution is to get another person to counter the other tactic. This line of thinking leads to the creation of blob gangs, which I have more of a problem with than ludicrous speed ships. I am just trying to make the point that these changes are quite radical and will have bigger consequences than simply nerfing nano ships, like creating bigger blobs that will kill any aspect of small gang/solo pvp.
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:28:00 - [2035] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg To the nano people: Is there a point to bringing frigates, BC's, or BS's out with your nanogang? Why and why not? Would you ever bring one out for a small roaming gang? Frigates and Hurricanes would be the only thing I'd bring out for a nanogang. As for a roaming gang, the last time we did them regularly sans nano was in Geminate over the winter holiday. If we came close to 9P4, K25, BWF, anyplace like that, we almost always got blobbed by a mixed nano/heavy fleet of theirs that outnumbered us about 30:10. Most of the time, we usually had to retreat and lose about 10-20% of our forces that we couldn't get unstuck from their tacklers - we had a few good wins, but most of the time we couldn't stick around and had to haul ass for home. Got cut off by jumpbridges a few times, lost some scouts in the process, the works - so, I hope you can see why I'm more of a fan of nano than not. It allows you to compete with their blob on a better footing - if they blob up to try and win, rather than through skill, you just shrug and head out. It makes them earn their kills, rather than just showing up and pressing F1-F8. If we hadn't been as good as we are, there are situations where we'd have been totally wiped out, rather than just taking a few losses... Click me! You know you want to...
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:28:00 - [2036] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 26/07/2008 18:29:41 Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean They are right its ppl like you who are unwilling to learn piloting skills that are reducing the game and its content. Here is a way for the morons who want eve to be perfectly "BALANCED" as thats the word they like to use. Remove every ship apart from one from the game give it a single available fit and also give everybody perfect skills in it. There perfect "BALANCE". I was thinking more along the lines of CCP actually fixing the imbalances such as nanos and letting the tards from Pandemic and Tri die off, since obviously they cannot live without hugging nanos . Just quit and move on already. I have enough tears from you alone to power my satisfaction that you suck at Eve. Bye bye. Isnt it odd the these imbalances that you claim need fixing also happen to boost ships and crappy tactics that useless tards like you fly.......... PS: Around 500 kills in the last month none in a nano ship fyi. My views may reflect those of my corp/alliance, but if you wanna know for sure ask em for gods sake.
Matrixcvd Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:31:00 - [2037] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg To the nano people: Is there a point to bringing frigates, BC's, or BS's out with your nanogang? Why and why not? Would you ever bring one out for a small roaming gang? inty's, because of scan res, 1 or 2 are always welcome, any moar than that and your just wasting my time as an FC BCs: Claymores are great not just for gangs but for bumping and damage. Harbringers are serious damage dealers and Canes can work well with the speed fits. So yes Nano is for quick align and dictating combat not uber total pwnage. Its only uber because the ships/skillz required are generaly relegated to the higher SP moar experienced pilots. If you bring crap to fight a nano gang, you will end up in the toilet. thats not bad game mechanics thats just failures trying to think they can win every fight.
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:32:00 - [2038] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Isnt it odd the these imbalances that you claim need fixing also happen to boost ships and crappy tactics that useless tards like you fly.......... "OH NOE4S! ITS NOT MY FAULT IDIOTS USE OTHER SHIPS THAT ARENT OVERPOWERED" Go read a book or two. It should improve your IQ. Cant help you with your crappy 3-you-old tantrums though. You'll need to go back to mom for that, Mr. Bean.
Dez Affinity Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:33:00 - [2039] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg To the nano people: Is there a point to bringing frigates, BC's, or BS's out with your nanogang? Why and why not? Would you ever bring one out for a small roaming gang? T1 frigates? No, no damage, not much speed, no tank, waste of a player. Inties? Sure always need a fast locker Elec Frigs? Again sure. BCs? Well being the slow guy is going to get you killed by the big 50 man blob when your 10 man gang has to leave but if you are in a faster ship like a hurricane or if you play smart as a BC then yeah you can bring one. BSs? Definitly not on a nano gang, don't bring ships that don't work well together, BSs support good with other BSs but without a load of other BS, the 1 BS is useless, it's just going to slow the gangs movement and get a titan dropped on you. I wish I was joking but people will cyno a titan for 1 bs. Originally by: Matrix Skye I was thinking more along the lines of CCP actually fixing the imbalances such as nanos and letting the tards from Pandemic and Tri die off, since obviously they cannot live without hugging nanos . Just quit and move on already. I have enough tears from you alone to power my satisfaction that you suck at Eve. Bye bye. Go back under your bridge. _______________
Dran Black	Posted - 2008.07.26 18:33:00 - [2040] ok yeah nerf nanos but nerf 300 man bs blobs while your at it. How can you counter that?

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