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dontmindme justhauling Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.11.12 10:45:00 - [301] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: spinarax snip.. true also makes pve more challenging. this is aka loooonger and more time consuming this is aka increasing the grind. which is awsomely packaged as an EXPANSION caldari whined about nanos, CCP gave QR, now they whine about missions... lets just wait for the next expension, im sure CCP will think of sumthing to to fix that, maybe try mining (the new Orca is here WOOT)while CCP figure out how to help caldari... again
Snuggles Corpselove	Posted - 2008.11.12 10:46:00 - [302] The unthinking masses who cried years of tears to get a mostly unecessary nano nerf are learning that they should have just taken the advice offered to them by people who PVP full time. Instead of fitting neuts and overloading webs, you're now getting hit by the same nerfbat. GG. And yes. Your tears are delicious. This thread gave me a bit of a chubby.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.12 10:48:00 - [303] Originally by: Stork DK I love it how the carebears whined for a nerf to nanos and ended up getting hit by the rebounce of the bat Its the only positive thing in this patch.
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.12 10:56:00 - [304]
Maulith DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.11.12 11:25:00 - [305] Maybe you carebears might have to find someone to help you with your "tricky" level 4 missions? Now where on earth you going to find someone to help you in an MMO game?!?!
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2008.11.12 11:31:00 - [306] Originally by: Cpt Branko Enjoy your nano nerf, Caldari pigs. I dislike "/thread" posts but this really is about as much as needs to be said --
Plave Okice Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.11.12 11:33:00 - [307] Originally by: Taius Pax I picked up Blockade lvl 4, and I've been shooting non stop for 30 minutes and I'm barely through the first spawn. 7X CN Launchers with 3X CN BCU. What kind of bull**** is this? How's that nano nerf working out for you?
AkRoYeR	Posted - 2008.11.12 11:46:00 - [308] Would you like some help on missions? Solo missile game just got flushed.
Ghoest	Posted - 2008.11.12 11:47:00 - [309] Originally by: Cpt Branko Enjoy your nano nerf, Caldari pigs. Best quote this year. If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
NeoTheo The Maverick Navy Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.12 11:52:00 - [310] Originally by: Ghoest Originally by: Cpt Branko Enjoy your nano nerf, Caldari pigs. Best quote this year. no quote of a idiot who thinks that the nano nerf was all the caldari's fault. or in otherwords, someones who unable to recall eve history. anyhow, i am reserving judgement for now, but it appears that "flight time" is no longer a good enough down side for missiles and now 2x painter skills are going to be 100% needed to even put a missile in a launcher unless your shooting something bigger than you. - MVN - Pupula 'Ohana If you dont know, well, you dont know!

Iva Soreass Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:03:00 - [311] What i find funny is, the 'carebears' who well...pve for a living are suddenly to blame for a 'pvp' nano nerf which in all honesty was sweet fa to do with 'carebears' and more to do with incompantant 'pvpers' who didn't know what to do with you 'leetest' nano 'pvpers'. Quit the nano moaning and stop trying to pass the buck, its your own fault mr 'leetest pvpers' that your precious nano got nerf'd not the 'carebears' fault.
Lady Farah	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:09:00 - [312] Whining about nanos drops my average isk/min income. If I pvp and gate camp i have more time to whine .... Duh how many of these pointless "pvp vs carebear" posts do we need to post until you get over patchday? Give it some more time, servers are not even up for one day!!
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:11:00 - [313] Does anyone know if i group 4 missiles and shoot it at a serpentis rat. Will it fire on average 1 defender missile per group, or 0.25?
Quazal Atreides Gallente Indictus Commeatus	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:12:00 - [314] Originally by: Lady Farah Whining about nanos drops my average isk/min income. If I pvp and gate camp i have more time to whine .... Duh how many of these pointless "pvp vs carebear" posts do we need to post until you get over patchday? Give it some more time, servers are not even up for one day!! /nods agreement... Geez..... personally i think the pvp's and the carebeasr shold just slap their **** on the table and see who's is the smallest after the patch.. there you go smallest is most nerfed post patch [/url]
Cat Molina Minmatar Psychotic Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:14:00 - [315] The actual truth (as I see it) is that CCP was going to make the changes it wanted, no matter who was complaining about what. Only in a single case have I seen public outcry effectively change their minds (the cap-ship disaster). This 'blame game' going on is wasted effort. I still maintain that somewhere in the bowels of CCP sits a wheel which has all the races on it. Once a year it gets a spin. That race gets a boost, and the others get nerfed. That's how they keep the game fresh year after year... and how they keep people training; forever running after that carrot just out of reach. Having lagged behind for years, I just (last week) finished my missile training. No big deal. Competent pilots will always find a way to make things work.
Alia Xii	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:20:00 - [316] Originally by: Snuggles Corpselove The unthinking masses who cried years of tears to get a mostly unecessary nano nerf are learning that they should have just taken the advice offered to them by people who PVP full time. Instead of fitting neuts and overloading webs, you're now getting hit by the same nerfbat. GG. And yes. Your tears are delicious. This thread gave me a bit of a chubby. ^^ This! Maybe now all the whiners will learn to SHUT THE FK UP! If you didn't like nano's or they gave you a problem - find a solution. Or as the old saying goes... Fight fire WITH fire! Congrats on getting everyone hit with the biggest nerf stick in the history of nerf sticks. Back to you in the studio.... fkers! o/
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:21:00 - [317] Originally by: Alia Xii Originally by: Snuggles Corpselove The unthinking masses who cried years of tears to get a mostly unecessary nano nerf are learning that they should have just taken the advice offered to them by people who PVP full time. Instead of fitting neuts and overloading webs, you're now getting hit by the same nerfbat. GG. And yes. Your tears are delicious. This thread gave me a bit of a chubby. ^^ This! Maybe now all the whiners will learn to SHUT THE FK UP! If you didn't like nano's or they gave you a problem - find a solution. Or as the old saying goes... Fight fire WITH fire! Congrats on getting everyone hit with the biggest nerf stick in the history of nerf sticks. Back to you in the studio.... fkers! o/ Delicious nano tears. Still i wonder why nano'ers redirect their anger to mission runners.
Obsidian Dagger Weak and Fee-bile	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:29:00 - [318] Ahem. The entire thread is TL:DR, but I caught the first couple of pages, and have this thought on matters. (Have yet to test it out, but bear with me) The bog-standard raven has six Missile slots, four turret slots. (Raven is an ugly POS, but it was effective, so i used it) Now, AFAIK most missionrunners have the habit of slapping a tractor/salvager in those last two slots... Fair enough. I've always stuck rails in there since a passive tank uses no cap, and I thought it was a bit of a waste being 100% cap stable. (Am using 350mm rails the now, was training AWU so i could use 425's, but no more). Instead, I am going to plop a couple medium or small blasters in there, and actually hit frigs. Because thats what you are supposed to use on frigs I thought? previously i never wasted time shooting frigs, Drones did the bulk of the close in work, and i only bothered wasting missiles on the small crap once the BS's were dead. So. Why the whining? A minor adjustment to the useless slots on my raven, and boom, effective raven again.
Phenomena X Galactic PeaceMaking Talon Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:29:00 - [319] Originally by: Furb Killer Originally by: Alia Xii Originally by: Snuggles Corpselove The unthinking masses who cried years of tears to get a mostly unecessary nano nerf are learning that they should have just taken the advice offered to them by people who PVP full time. Instead of fitting neuts and overloading webs, you're now getting hit by the same nerfbat. GG. And yes. Your tears are delicious. This thread gave me a bit of a chubby. ^^ This! Maybe now all the whiners will learn to SHUT THE FK UP! If you didn't like nano's or they gave you a problem - find a solution. Or as the old saying goes... Fight fire WITH fire! Congrats on getting everyone hit with the biggest nerf stick in the history of nerf sticks. Back to you in the studio.... fkers! o/ Delicious nano tears. Still i wonder why nano'ers redirect their anger to mission runners. It's not really about redirected anger, but more laughing about people who cried about nano ships and getting screwed by the "fix" In every single nano whine thread there was 50+ posts about missile spammers crying "HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR A SHIP TO OUT RUN MISSILES!! whhaaaaaaa" And for now I can say with the biggest smile on my face... "Adapt or die" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH ---- how do u like them apples!
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:33:00 - [320] Originally by: Iva Soreass What i find funny is, the 'carebears' who well...pve for a living are suddenly to blame for a 'pvp' nano nerf which in all honesty was sweet fa to do with 'carebears' and more to do with incompantant 'pvpers' who didn't know what to do with you 'leetest' nano 'pvpers'. Quit the nano moaning and stop trying to pass the buck, its your own fault mr 'leetest pvpers' that your precious nano got nerf'd not the 'carebears' fault. The two main groups of whiners were the caldari FW noob blobs of pve fit ships, and the 0.0 carebears that dont pay attention to local while ratting.

Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:35:00 - [321] Originally by: Phenomena XIt's not really about redirected anger, but more laughing about people who cried about nano ships and getting screwed by the "fix" In every single nano whine thread there was 50+ posts about missile spammers crying "HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR A SHIP TO OUT RUN MISSILES!! whhaaaaaaa" And for now I can say with the biggest smile on my face... "Adapt or die" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH ---- how do u like them apples![/quote So why would mission runners care about your nano ship (which was ridiculous overpowered btw, killed solo combat).
Alia Xii	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:35:00 - [322] Originally by: Phenomena X It's not really about redirected anger, but more laughing about people who cried about nano ships and getting screwed by the "fix" In every single nano whine thread there was 50+ posts about missile spammers crying "HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR A SHIP TO OUT RUN MISSILES!! whhaaaaaaa" And for now I can say with the biggest smile on my face... "Adapt or die" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH ---- how do u like them apples! ^^ This - also. It's just poetic justice that the whiners now find themselves at a "disadvantage" because of the screaming they did for years. I'm not directing it at one particular group pvp/pve, etc - just the people who whined for ages. You know who you are Another quote - Better the devil you know! Hope you've learned your lesson now???
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:39:00 - [323] Originally by: Maulith Maybe you carebears might have to find someone to help you with your "tricky" level 4 missions? Now where on earth you going to find someone to help you in an MMO game?!?! Nah… My L4s are easier than ever, and they were entirely solo:able before the patch Then again, I fly a Battlecruiser.
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:41:00 - [324] Originally by: Alia Xii Originally by: Phenomena X It's not really about redirected anger, but more laughing about people who cried about nano ships and getting screwed by the "fix" In every single nano whine thread there was 50+ posts about missile spammers crying "HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR A SHIP TO OUT RUN MISSILES!! whhaaaaaaa" And for now I can say with the biggest smile on my face... "Adapt or die" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH ---- how do u like them apples! ^^ This - also. It's just poetic justice that the whiners now find themselves at a "disadvantage" because of the screaming they did for years. I'm not directing it at one particular group pvp/pve, etc - just the people who whined for ages. You know who you are Another quote - Better the devil you know! Hope you've learned your lesson now??? Stays fascinating to see pvp'ers telling themselves so often that carebears whine more than pvp'ers, they actually start to believe it.
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:44:00 - [325] Originally by: Phenomena X It's not really about redirected anger, but more laughing about people who cried about nano ships and getting screwed by the "fix" In every single nano whine thread there was 50+ posts about missile spammers crying "HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR A SHIP TO OUT RUN MISSILES!! whhaaaaaaa" And for now I can say with the biggest smile on my face... "Adapt or die" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH ---- how do u like them apples! Who cares :) This just means more time on my PvP alt while my PvE alt finishes getting T2 Beams and starts on T2 Hybrids :) Rails , Beams & Drones baby , gallente + amarr + caldari(for when missiles get usefull again) means everything is covered. Just a bit annoying to have 4-6 weeks downtime on this alt while I finish T2 gunnery skills
Sidrat Flush Caldari Life is Experience	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:46:00 - [326] I have only two items. First of all let's congratulate CCP for getting the expansion done earlier than expected and more stable than ever. I think it's the first extended downtime that has gone without a hiccup (in full view of the public at any rate). Secondly as a mission runner I now feel it's a good idea to take the right ship (and launchers) to the right "party". However I just want to ask which missiles go in the hull types? Confused? I'll make a list and you can correct/flame me as appropriate. Rockets/light missiles = frigs, interceptors, assault frigs. Heavy Missiles = Cruisers, Battle Cruisers, Heavy Assault Cruisers. Cruise Missiles = Battleships, and other large sig radius holding ships. Torpedoes = I've always assumed they were originally used for taking down pos's or very very big ships, like cap ships and stuff. So there you have it, if I'm right that should indicated you'll do a level 3 mission faster if you take a heavy missile ship out and leave your Cruise Missile Spewing Demon at home. However on Level 4 missions where you have more of a range of targets, would it be better to take Target Painting Drones or a group of small/medium combat drones? By the way, I'm not blaming any one for the game changes, it's what CCP likes to do and will make the game more interesting until the next cookie cutter level 4 afk-mission-fit comes along. -------------------------- Life is about memories the more the better.
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:49:00 - [327] Originally by: Sidrat Flush I have only two items. First of all let's congratulate CCP for getting the expansion done earlier than expected and more stable than ever. I think it's the first extended downtime that has gone without a hiccup (in full view of the public at any rate). Secondly as a mission runner I now feel it's a good idea to take the right ship (and launchers) to the right "party". However I just want to ask which missiles go in the hull types? Confused? I'll make a list and you can correct/flame me as appropriate. Rockets/light missiles = frigs, interceptors, assault frigs. Heavy Missiles = Cruisers, Battle Cruisers, Heavy Assault Cruisers. Cruise Missiles = Battleships, and other large sig radius holding ships. Torpedoes = I've always assumed they were originally used for taking down pos's or very very big ships, like cap ships and stuff. So there you have it, if I'm right that should indicated you'll do a level 3 mission faster if you take a heavy missile ship out and leave your Cruise Missile Spewing Demon at home. However on Level 4 missions where you have more of a range of targets, would it be better to take Target Painting Drones or a group of small/medium combat drones? By the way, I'm not blaming any one for the game changes, it's what CCP likes to do and will make the game more interesting until the next cookie cutter level 4 afk-mission-fit comes along. You are wrong Light missiles = cruisers(unless you got web + painter) Heavy missiles = Battlecruisers & larger(unless you got web + painter) Cruise missiles = Capital ships(unless you got web + painter)
Drufus Gallius Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:54:00 - [328] Edited by: Drufus Gallius on 12/11/2008 12:55:54 I won't join or comment on the "who was the reason for what politics BS" as I simply don't care. As much as some people that don't fly Caldari ships (or trolls) won't care about my neutral post. The post is merely typed as the experience of somebody who uses the Caldari race. I have never whined about the nano's. I joined EVE this year and nano's were simply a part of the game. Something one knew was a threat and you needed to be carefull of. Neither did I ask for the speed nerf which doesn't effect me at all since my skills were going towards the Falcon and missile boats. Sure they were a tough bunch to fight, but if u gotten yourself into a fight with them while ratting or solo in certain ships that aren't good at dealing with them then you already failed the first part of the tactic against nano's(my personal opinion). I simply like missile warfare due to the fact that I was an anti tank missile shooter in the army for 12 years. And the fact that I like RL combat aircraft and missile tactics. Hence why I chose for the Caldari race when I joined the Eve adventure. In general I think we can and will adapt after this patch...and I will definetly test out drones to attack any frigate types that attack me. Usually there is a solution for everything. In a certain way I would understand that CCP would try to keep the missile damage on the small and fast frigate type craft relatively the same as before the nerf. It is merely a fact that missiles have a harder time tracking (guiding towards) faster and very agile targets in comparing to tracking slow flying targets. So keeping that damage equal like before the nerf would've been only fair. The thing I don't like is that they made it far worse then before the nerf. But hey...live goes on and if I shut down the PC I still have a life and a wife that nags my head off because of the time I spent on EVE again. There things won't change ;) "Loyalty and dedication"
Gamer4liff Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:57:00 - [329] So do precision cruise missiles still work fine on the lower rats?
Tharukan Desm'ar Gallente The Ninth Circle Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:59:00 - [330] Originally by: Gamer4liff So do precision cruise missiles still work fine on the lower rats? Yes. they're more effective than normal cruise missiles on smaller class ships.



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