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Adora Femella	Posted - 2008.11.12 21:27:00 - [421] Posting in a epic whine/ragequit thread \o/ To fellow caldari mission grinders, welcome to EVE in normal difficulty. Characters with worse skills and crappier ships learned to fit their ships in ways that allow them to grind every mission the game has to offer. The missile damage formula has changed, medium drones have changed. If you really are as clueless as this thread suggests, go to the ships and modules forum and ask advice from people that know this game as well as the devs if not better.
Takvar	Posted - 2008.11.12 21:44:00 - [422] On the bright side, those missions against NPC Caldari missile-boats are going to be a breeze. Time to light the afterburners and let the drones rock-and-roll!
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:03:00 - [423] **** ccp : )...
Thuia	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:25:00 - [424] Today i was unable to make a lvl 4 mission with my friend... 2 days ago i have no problem to do it alone... The game should be funny... if nothing changes it will be not funny for me... So i think CCP want to loose some subscriber... like me... Now missle are **** for NPC and PVP too...
KhaniKirai	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:26:00 - [425] I am a very well trained caldari turret and missile skilled character. But something is wrong, when hacs and bc outperforms a bs with dps.
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:27:00 - [426] Originally by: Thuia Today i was unable to make a lvl 4 mission with my friend... 2 days ago i have no problem to do it alone... The game should be funny... if nothing changes it will be not funny for me... So i think CCP want to loose some subscriber... like me... Now missle are **** for NPC and PVP too... as a side not... CCP YOU F.u.C.k.E.d UP
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:29:00 - [427] Originally by: Thuia Today i was unable to make a lvl 4 mission with my friend... 2 days ago i have no problem to do it alone... The game should be funny... if nothing changes it will be not funny for me... Yet, isn't it more entertaining when something is difficult? This isn't a nerf...this is a boost to fun! Tell you what, how about CCP puts missiles back as they were, only if they give ncps 10x the hp and 2x the dps.
Meleis	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:33:00 - [428] ive been running missions in my cerb using both hams and regular heavies and havent noticed much of a diffrence. then again im not looking for a reason to complain about the missile changes. hell the speed nerf didnt hurt my alts deimos that bad either. things looked bad on paper but in reality they are not that bad
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:34:00 - [429] Originally by: Crackzilla Originally by: Thuia Today i was unable to make a lvl 4 mission with my friend... 2 days ago i have no problem to do it alone... The game should be funny... if nothing changes it will be not funny for me... Yet, isn't it more entertaining when something is difficult? This isn't a nerf...this is a boost to fun! Tell you what, how about CCP puts missiles back as they were, only if they give ncps 10x the hp and 2x the dps. u know i would have no problem with that lol.. my missiles would still be viable for pvp and u would need fleets to rat : )
Marlorn Aeon Caldari Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:42:00 - [430] Originally by: Thuia Today i was unable to make a lvl 4 mission with my friend... 2 days ago i have no problem to do it alone... The game should be funny... if nothing changes it will be not funny for me... So i think CCP want to loose some subscriber... like me... Now missle are **** for NPC and PVP too... Can I have your stuff?
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:44:00 - [431] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Wayson I still do not know, and never will understand, why missiles had to be nerfed. Were they destroying PvP? Hahahahaha. Were they breaking PvE by making missions ridiculously easy? ... not really, as NPCs vomit defenders and there are swarms of small ships even in L4s. Blargh. They would have broken the tweaked role for small, AB-using ships. This brings missiles in line with turret guns against small fast targets. Quote: continues training Gallente Frigate III, onward to the Dominix! May I suggest stopping at Gallente cruisers and BCs ù they eat L4s for breakfast, just like before in line with turret guns? LOL launching missles and shooting bullets is far far far different. A missle can corrects its course in flight can a bullet? how about a laser? Missles should do more damage and be more accurate than turrets of any type.. because they have their own propulsion, missles can alter course mid flight therefore they should be more accurate than turrets and do more damage, actually, to faster moving ships. Probably the only reason it got screwed up in the first place is because people whined their guns couldnt perform as good as missle launchers... in real life missles pwn guns. eve is now offically a contradiction of both physics and reality.
Thuia	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:47:00 - [432] Originally by: Crackzilla Originally by: Thuia Today i was unable to make a lvl 4 mission with my friend... 2 days ago i have no problem to do it alone... The game should be funny... if nothing changes it will be not funny for me... Yet, isn't it more entertaining when something is difficult? This isn't a nerf...this is a boost to fun! Tell you what, how about CCP puts missiles back as they were, only if they give ncps 10x the hp and 2x the dps. If you want difficult you can take only one missle luncher and go for mission if you want... or take missles that NPCs resist more... if you want difficult you can make the mission as hard as you want... I dont like PVP. I boring with mining. I dont have skills to production. I just want to earm my ISK on missions like 2 days ago...
PsychoBones Project Nemesis	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:48:00 - [433] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Taius Pax I picked up Blockade lvl 4, and I've been shooting non stop for 30 minutes and I'm barely through the first spawn. 7X CN Launchers with 3X CN BCU. What kind of bull**** is this? Enjoy your nano nerf, Caldari pigs.
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:48:00 - [434] Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Wayson I still do not know, and never will understand, why missiles had to be nerfed. Were they destroying PvP? Hahahahaha. Were they breaking PvE by making missions ridiculously easy? ... not really, as NPCs vomit defenders and there are swarms of small ships even in L4s. Blargh. They would have broken the tweaked role for small, AB-using ships. This brings missiles in line with turret guns against small fast targets. Quote: continues training Gallente Frigate III, onward to the Dominix! May I suggest stopping at Gallente cruisers and BCs ù they eat L4s for breakfast, just like before in line with turret guns? LOL launching missles and shooting bullets is far far far different. A missle can corrects its course in flight can a bullet? how about a laser? Missles should do more damage and be more accurate than turrets of any type.. because they have their own propulsion, missles can alter course mid flight therefore they should be more accurate than turrets and do more damage, actually, to faster moving ships. Probably the only reason it got screwed up in the first place is because people whined their guns couldnt perform as good as missle launchers... in real life missles pwn guns. eve is now offically a contradiction of both physics and reality. wait eve actually aggreed with them at a point?
KhaniKirai	Posted - 2008.11.12 22:49:00 - [435] Edited by: KhaniKirai on 12/11/2008 22:50:18 Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Wayson I still do not know, and never will understand, why missiles had to be nerfed. Were they destroying PvP? Hahahahaha. Were they breaking PvE by making missions ridiculously easy? ... not really, as NPCs vomit defenders and there are swarms of small ships even in L4s. Blargh. They would have broken the tweaked role for small, AB-using ships. This brings missiles in line with turret guns against small fast targets. Quote: continues training Gallente Frigate III, onward to the Dominix! May I suggest stopping at Gallente cruisers and BCs ù they eat L4s for breakfast, just like before in line with turret guns? LOL launching missles and shooting bullets is far far far different. A missle can corrects its course in flight can a bullet? how about a laser? Missles should do more damage and be more accurate than turrets of any type.. because they have their own propulsion, missles can alter course mid flight therefore they should be more accurate than turrets and do more damage, actually, to faster moving ships. Probably the only reason it got screwed up in the first place is because people whined their guns couldnt perform as good as missle launchers... in real life missles pwn guns. eve is now offically a contradiction of both physics and reality. You do realize that missiles even before patch were barely used in the real pvp? EDit: you know it, others dont :/ Turrets BS were preferred over missile bs for a long while already. Now the missile bs is totally useless. Over 1 year, you see tons of minmatar pilots, their numbers already increased with the armor/shield resist changes.
Cat Molina Minmatar Psychotic Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.12 23:00:00 - [436] Believe it or not, but the Caldari and their Ravens are hardly the first victims of nerfs in this game. It happens all the time, and every race takes it's hits. Sorry, but I gotta: Harden the F**k Up!
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2008.11.12 23:04:00 - [437] Originally by: KhaniKirai Edited by: KhaniKirai on 12/11/2008 22:50:18 Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Wayson I still do not know, and never will understand, why missiles had to be nerfed. Were they destroying PvP? Hahahahaha. Were they breaking PvE by making missions ridiculously easy? ... not really, as NPCs vomit defenders and there are swarms of small ships even in L4s. Blargh. They would have broken the tweaked role for small, AB-using ships. This brings missiles in line with turret guns against small fast targets. Quote: continues training Gallente Frigate III, onward to the Dominix! May I suggest stopping at Gallente cruisers and BCs ù they eat L4s for breakfast, just like before in line with turret guns? LOL launching missles and shooting bullets is far far far different. A missle can corrects its course in flight can a bullet? how about a laser? Missles should do more damage and be more accurate than turrets of any type.. because they have their own propulsion, missles can alter course mid flight therefore they should be more accurate than turrets and do more damage, actually, to faster moving ships. Probably the only reason it got screwed up in the first place is because people whined their guns couldnt perform as good as missle launchers... in real life missles pwn guns. eve is now offically a contradiction of both physics and reality. You do realize that missiles even before patch were barely used in the real pvp? EDit: you know it, others dont :/ Turrets BS were preferred over missile bs for a long while already. Now the missile bs is totally useless. Over 1 year, you see tons of minmatar pilots, their numbers already increased with the armor/shield resist changes. Missles could be useful in pvp on certain ships in certain situations...before the patch. In pve they were the best option, imo. now they arent useful for anything. i am a caldari pilot but i also fly gallente. I can use rails, as that is what i use mostly for pvp. But why say we want to give players more options and nerf an entire race of ships and weapon class i dont get it. the speed nerf was fine even but nerfing weapons and speed ...they cancel each other out. you still have speed tanks they just need less mods to speed tank. "hey lets nerf speed across the board by 25%!" " good idea the players will love that.... hey to balance the game we should nerf weapons 75-100%! too" " PERFECT! We will be the first dev team to perfectly balance a MMO" Ive played mmos for 7 years and i have to say this is , speaking unbiased, the most screwed up patch i have ever seen in terms of balancing. I have never seen a patch in any MMO that so far unbalances a game all in one go.
Gone'Postal Minmatar Rage of Inferno	Posted - 2008.11.12 23:06:00 - [438] Missiles have been hit rather harshly tbh. They needed some tweaking but damn.. Oh well.. Time to rethink ship setups Boost SISI VOTE NOW!
Anig Browl Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.12 23:06:00 - [439] Originally by: C4LYP50 This is an utter lie, and I call BS. Go back to the nano nerf thread and re read it (or maybe even read it for the first time!) No mission runner uses their moneymaker to pvp with. You said this in order to facilitate your second lie. Why on earth would a full time PVE pilot, who never uses, let alone SEES a nano'd ship, chime in begging for a nerf that has no effect on them? The people who complained about nanos being overpowered were their adverseries in low and nullsec. And only them. This. I'm skilled enough to fly solo 0.0 in a raven, I use an AF if I want a PvP thrill and go with a group. I never cared about the nanos much to begin with - it's not a carebear issue if you spend most of your time in empire and stay out of wars.
Voltas Stormtide Bagman's Bookkeeping Services LLC	Posted - 2008.11.12 23:08:00 - [440] I've not spent much time logged in since QR was deployed yesterday so can't comment on the missile thing - but would the people who are frustrated with the issue please outline /exactly/ what missile skills and total missile SP is? We all knew for that in the past the raven was an excellent ship as you could achieve great things with only a few hundred thousand SP in missiles. This is unlike 90% of the other BS where you need significant SP in guns and/or dones to compete. Please don't flame me, as I said I haven't tried the "new" missiles, however do you think this puts the raven more in line with other BS and we may see more variety now in the ships out missioning? And FYI: HACs have always outperformed BS for belt ratting.
Voin Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.11.12 23:27:00 - [441] Originally by: Demonic Sentiment **** ccp : )... did u say that? fuck ccp : ) agreeded My E.T. 1. English is not my native language 2. You can have my stuff in a Hell in your next life
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.12 23:31:00 - [442] Originally by: Voin Originally by: Demonic Sentiment **** ccp : )... did u say that? fuck ccp : ) agreeded yep.. but i dont exactly understand the pic lol
Dracborne H A V O C Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.12 23:37:00 - [443] I posted on page 7 but I've had more time to run a few more missions with my alt. I've successfully run lvl 4 Angels and Guristas Extravaganza, lvl 4 Blockade, and lvl 4 Enemies Abound (all 5). The only mission I had any trouble with was EA 5/5. It's extremely tough now. The light drones are a must for the frigs. The cruisers take an extra volley or two to kill, and the BS's seem to take an extra 2 1/2 volleys. The biggest difference I've noticed is that I've had to carry an extra 1000 or so missiles into the longer, 4 and 5 pocket missions. As far as pvp goes, we were testing missile's last night against inties and vaga's. My inties were pushing 4.7k and I was actually getting hit with missiles. My vaga was pushing 3.4k and was getting lit up pretty badly by the missiles. -----------------------------------
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.12 23:40:00 - [444] Originally by: Dracborne I posted on page 7 but I've had more time to run a few more missions with my alt. I've successfully run lvl 4 Angels and Guristas Extravaganza, lvl 4 Blockade, and lvl 4 Enemies Abound (all 5). The only mission I had any trouble with was EA 5/5. It's extremely tough now. The light drones are a must for the frigs. The cruisers take an extra volley or two to kill, and the BS's seem to take an extra 2 1/2 volleys. The biggest difference I've noticed is that I've had to carry an extra 1000 or so missiles into the longer, 4 and 5 pocket missions. As far as pvp goes, we were testing missile's last night against inties and vaga's. My inties were pushing 4.7k and I was actually getting hit with missiles. My vaga was pushing 3.4k and was getting lit up pretty badly by the missiles. what were u shotting at the vaga and intty with?
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.12 23:40:00 - [445] Originally by: KhaniKirai You do realize that missiles even before patch were barely used in the real pvp? EDit: you know it, others dont :/ Turrets BS were preferred over missile bs for a long while already. Now the missile bs is totally useless. Over 1 year, you see tons of minmatar pilots, their numbers already increased with the armor/shield resist changes. I can find a big killboard that proves otherwise , several hundred ships blown up in pvp by a corp that utilized tactics to make missiles effective.
wdwjhdw	Posted - 2008.11.12 23:45:00 - [446] Originally by: Dianeces Medium drones got nerfed.....against frigate sized targets. No doubt, but I really dont see any difference. Ive been using an arbitrator for level 2's and the frigates still die in a few seconds after my drones close on them. Maybe ill notice a bit of difference on elite frigates, but judging how well my Hammerhead 2's kill the standard frigates, I doubt its going to be worth messing about with light scout drones as well.
Crackzilla The Shadow Order	Posted - 2008.11.12 23:46:00 - [447] Originally by: Dracborne The light drones are a must for the frigs. Are medium drones effective against frigs? Haven't had a chance to test this.
HowardStern	Posted - 2008.11.12 23:48:00 - [448] Originally by: Demonic Sentiment Originally by: Thuia Today i was unable to make a lvl 4 mission with my friend... 2 days ago i have no problem to do it alone... The game should be funny... if nothing changes it will be not funny for me... So i think CCP want to loose some subscriber... like me... Now missle are ** for NPC and PVP too... as a side not... CCP YOU F.u.C.k.E.d UP Being a side not, does that mean they didn't ** up?
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.12 23:54:00 - [449] Originally by: HowardStern Originally by: Demonic Sentiment Originally by: Thuia Today i was unable to make a lvl 4 mission with my friend... 2 days ago i have no problem to do it alone... The game should be funny... if nothing changes it will be not funny for me... So i think CCP want to loose some subscriber... like me... Now missle are ** for NPC and PVP too... as a side not... CCP YOU F.u.C.k.E.d UP Being a side not, does that mean they didn't ** up? lol ummm... typo : P
Austex II Solar Flare Assembly	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:07:00 - [450] Our corp did a test yesterday after the release and the results were hilarious. A Raven verses a Frigate between two players in a corp. With the frigate using an AB, and using the four different types of Heavy Cruise Missles, I had a damage range between 4.5 and 9.3. I unloaded 6 cruise missles at the same time, and I barely dented the frigate's shield. This was also without the use of hardeners. The only way for my BS to take out the frigate was to use drones. I can understand the difference in size and the need to help new players entering the game, but the numbers are unjustifiable. In lvl 3 and lvl 4 solo missions, with frigates, again it was next to impossible to destroy them without the use of drones. I suppose one could re-look at the ship configuration, but if you end up needing 2 small to medium size missle launchers out of say 6 high slots, the remaining 4 slots are going to have a hell of a time taking out a 1M bounty NPC. My two cents worth, change is fine, but this is completely over the top. After this, I am seriously considering my subscription.

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