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Sovarin Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.13 23:21:00 - [511] Caldari Prayer (Revised) Our missles, who are in launchers Useless be thy payload Thy warhead come Our enemies think fun In low sec As it is in Empire Give us this nerf Our daily nerf And forgive us our whines, But we won't forgive them that whine against us And lead us not into fleets, But deliver us from turrets For thine is the thermal, The explosive, The kinetic And the EM --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Talon SilverHawk Caldari Patria o Muerte	Posted - 2008.11.13 23:26:00 - [512] Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 13/11/2008 23:26:35 Don't know about PVP , but did my first lvl 4 since the patch tonight and apart from frigs which where easily taken by drones, didnt see much difference with my Golem, whats all the fuss about ? Tal
Blastil	Posted - 2008.11.13 23:28:00 - [513] Originally by: Mu Yaling I guess the problem is that Caldaris are not used to think about their setups or how to use the ships. For them its allways been F1-F6- activate shield booster. Now they have to F1-activate TP-Launch drones-Activate shield booster Thats two more steps for them. Haven't you read the backstory? Caldari aren't supposed to think! They're supposed to be mindless capitalistic drones working for the state's purpouses... But if we went by the backstory, caldari aren't supposed to WHINE or have emotions at all, so my request seems unreasonable.
Cho McBeef	Posted - 2008.11.13 23:34:00 - [514] Way to go CCP. You nerfed everything and made everybody angry. I had missiles and nano trained with millions of skillpoints. at least i still have hybrids, drones, and ecm for now. but i guess when everything is nerfed we can all just trade and try to out-industry each other and be the most efficient with our reprocessing.
Khamal Jolstien Caldari Product Number 3	Posted - 2008.11.13 23:57:00 - [515] Originally by: Karentaki Originally by: Khamal Jolstien This right here folks. Caldari are allowed to have fun too! Not just the mission farmers suffering, all Calamari. It is not fun to have the same, currently overpowered weapons become slightly more balanced. Fixed Look at you, you figured out how to change words in a quote. Awesome. I can go into the whole spiel on how missiles were under powered (why most decent PVPers used turrets). Something about low DPS, delayed damage, useless vs speed at any range, and specialized ships were shield tankers doesn't make them too appealing. But hey, if you want to just go ahead and edit other player's posts because you have some delusion that it is actually witty and effective, be my guest.
Blastil	Posted - 2008.11.14 00:09:00 - [516] Originally by: Khamal Jolstien Originally by: Karentaki Originally by: Khamal Jolstien This right here folks. Caldari are allowed to have fun too! Not just the mission farmers suffering, all Calamari. It is not fun to have the same, currently overpowered weapons become slightly more balanced. Fixed Look at you, you figured out how to change words in a quote. Awesome. I can go into the whole spiel on how missiles were under powered (why most decent PVPers used turrets). Something about low DPS, delayed damage, useless vs speed at any range, and specialized ships were shield tankers doesn't make them too appealing. But hey, if you want to just go ahead and edit other player's posts because you have some delusion that it is actually witty and effective, be my guest. You realize that the entire reason why Nanos were made were to KITE missles right? Right? Why would you create a counter to a threat that is NON-EXISTANT? Short answer: you DON'T. WTF missle pwn blobs were the mainstays of EVERY 0.0 alliance before trinity and empyrian age when the finally started nerfing the things. Why are they still popular? BECAUSE THEY WERE SO DAMN FLEXIBLE. And weren't half bad too boot. Fail Post is Fail.
Khamal Jolstien Caldari Product Number 3	Posted - 2008.11.14 00:37:00 - [517] Originally by: Blastil Originally by: Khamal Jolstien Originally by: Karentaki Originally by: Khamal Jolstien This right here folks. Caldari are allowed to have fun too! Not just the mission farmers suffering, all Calamari. It is not fun to have the same, currently overpowered weapons become slightly more balanced. Fixed Look at you, you figured out how to change words in a quote. Awesome. I can go into the whole spiel on how missiles were under powered (why most decent PVPers used turrets). Something about low DPS, delayed damage, useless vs speed at any range, and specialized ships were shield tankers doesn't make them too appealing. But hey, if you want to just go ahead and edit other player's posts because you have some delusion that it is actually witty and effective, be my guest. You realize that the entire reason why Nanos were made were to KITE missles right? Right? Why would you create a counter to a threat that is NON-EXISTANT? Short answer: you DON'T. WTF missle pwn blobs were the mainstays of EVERY 0.0 alliance before trinity and empyrian age when the finally started nerfing the things. Why are they still popular? BECAUSE THEY WERE SO DAMN FLEXIBLE. And weren't half bad too boot. Fail Post is Fail. No, the entire reason Nanos existed was to fly around invulnerable to ALL fire. Missiles were just easier because they could fly in any direction and be invulnerable. Also, it wasn't just missiles in the pwn blobs. It was anything that was able to shoot a gun. It wasn't so much the missile, as it was the sheer number of players that overwhelmed all other tactical options.
Sakura Nihil Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2008.11.14 01:07:00 - [518] Obviously CCP felt that Raven's have been FOTM for missions for far too long, and needed to be rebalanced. Enjoy your nerf. Football? Hell yes.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.14 01:29:00 - [519] Originally by: Blastil You realize that the entire reason why Nanos were made were to KITE missles right? Right? Why would you create a counter to a threat that is NON-EXISTANT? Short answer: you DON'T. WTF missle pwn blobs were the mainstays of EVERY 0.0 alliance before trinity and empyrian age when the finally started nerfing the things. Why are they still popular? BECAUSE THEY WERE SO DAMN FLEXIBLE. And weren't half bad too boot. Fail Post is Fail. This is, frankly, bull. Nano's were used because they had the ability to escape all damage, and escape dangerous situations. Missiles were far less effective than guns against nanos, because guns could still hit a nano approaching straight on - missiles would hit for truly pathetic amounts of damage. Also, stating that missile ships were the core of 0.0 operations before Trinity isn't just wrong, it's so insane and stupid that I don't think anyone can ever trust another one of your posts again. Missile ships have never been considered good for PvP in fleets, and only rarely in gangs - mostly for the torp raven. They simply do far less damage, and take too long to hit. That's why I stopped training Caldari ships - except for the Falcon, they're almost always sub-par for PvP. As for your vaunted "flexibility", what's the point of having different damage types when everyone omni-tanks? And when it takes 10 seconds in perfect conditions to load a different type of missile? FoFs? Please. No one even packs them, because they do so little DPS and are worthless. "Always hit?"...sure, for pathetic damage - and that was before the patch. Whatever you want to think about the patch, the facts are that missiles sucked for PvP before, much less now.
Svjeza Roba	Posted - 2008.11.14 01:57:00 - [520] Originally by: Cho McBeef Way to go CCP. You nerfed everything and made everybody angry. I had missiles and nano trained with millions of skillpoints. at least i still have hybrids, drones, and ecm for now. but i guess when everything is nerfed we can all just trade and try to out-industry each other and be the most efficient with our reprocessing. Hahahahaha. Hahahahahahahahahaha. I was a guy that was agains this nano nerf stuff,for a few resosn(one of tham was thath there was no efectiv way to avoid full dmg from misils wepons excepts nano ships that coud do outrun misils) but i have to admit that u CCP did fix game,all aspects off it and i do say:THANKS CCP FOR AWSOM JOB Sine new patch everything is working the way it was ment to be.A lot of ships that where usles before now can be use perfectli well.And u did remove all the forms of Uber ships and fits that did rule pvp for too long time.AF finaly works,AB is usefull pvp modul,signatur rdius finaly works in right way,And most important of all misils are in line whith all other wepons. Today i did engage raven in my vexor,and i was so suprised after i realize that i did not insta pop on second voley,and the fact that i coud sostain misils dmg and t2 gres for a while was a big surprise for me.And thx ccp once more making my pvp expirienc being posibil in normal t1 cruiser,and haveing to be forced to fly t2 cruiser nanoed complitly just to outrun that misils spaming from caldari ship allways hiting me for full dmg. I LOVE YOU CCP. Great job. Caldari pilots use brain and learn to adapt. Nano is nerfd. Amen.
Ragnar Darkstar	Posted - 2008.11.14 02:14:00 - [521] Originally by: Sovarin Caldari Prayer (Revised) Our missles, who are in launchers Useless be thy payload Thy warhead come Our enemies think fun In low sec As it is in Empire Give us this nerf Our daily nerf And forgive us our whines, But we won't forgive them that whine against us And lead us not into fleets, But deliver us from turrets For thine is the thermal, The explosive, The kinetic And the EM For ever and ever, or until the next patch, Amen.
Exlegion New Light	Posted - 2008.11.14 02:24:00 - [522] I just did a Level 4 mission (The Score, Guristas). And noticed in fact a slight improvement against BCs and Cruisers, everything else seeming the same. However, I use cruise missiles and a painter as standard fit on my Golem. I'll continue running missions and taking notes. I'll update my findings over the weekend. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.14 02:31:00 - [523] Am loving the speed nerf CCP thanks :) ___
Khamal Jolstien Caldari Product Number 3	Posted - 2008.11.14 06:58:00 - [524] Originally by: Sovarin Caldari Prayer (Revised) Our missles, who are in launchers Useless be thy payload Thy warhead come Our enemies think fun In low sec As it is in Empire Give us this nerf Our daily nerf And forgive us our whines, But we won't forgive them that whine against us And lead us not into fleets, But deliver us from turrets For thine is the thermal, The explosive, The kinetic And the EM Well done sir; Well done.
Kransthow The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.14 07:55:00 - [525] adapt or die
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.14 07:58:00 - [526] Originally by: Kransthow adapt or die Shut up, spammer.
ramzahn Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.14 08:40:00 - [527] It is strange, I don't even have the desire to log into the game anymore. In fact, I'm now somewhat adverse to it.
Kransthow The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.14 08:44:00 - [528] Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: Kransthow adapt or die Shut up, spammer. adapt or die
Dong Ninja	Posted - 2008.11.14 08:48:00 - [529] Originally by: Kransthow adapt or die
Chienka Viziam	Posted - 2008.11.14 08:59:00 - [530] Honestly, I get the impression some people in this thread have never fired a shot at another player in all the time they have been playing EVE. AND NO. "Pirates" as you call them are not PvPers. Those are NPC pirates. They're not real. Learn to distinguish the difference before opening your uninformed mouths.
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.14 09:06:00 - [531] Originally by: Vikarion This is, frankly, bull. Nano's were used because they had the ability to escape all damage, and escape dangerous situations. Missiles were far less effective than guns against nanos, because guns could still hit a nano approaching straight on - missiles would hit for truly pathetic amounts of damage. Missiles were far more effective vs guns against non-mwd targets outside of web range, and most nano ships could not perma-mwd. You're never going to kill a raven with a vaga for example, where as a vaga can easilly dodge the tracking of turret based battleships without the mwd active, and only bursting when the battleship tries to close to web range with its own mwd. Medium guns also face**d nanos, but then again I wouldn't expect a mission runner to know much about pvp. Quote:** Also, stating that missile ships were the core of 0.0 operations before Trinity isn't just wrong, it's so insane and stupid that I don't think anyone can ever trust another one of your posts again. Missile ships have never been considered good for PvP in fleets, and only rarely in gangs - mostly for the torp raven. They simply do far less damage, and take too long to hit. That's why I stopped training Caldari ships - except for the Falcon, they're almost always sub-par for PvP. As for your vaunted "flexibility", what's the point of having different damage types when everyone omni-tanks? And when it takes 10 seconds in perfect conditions to load a different type of missile? FoFs? Please. No one even packs them, because they do so little DPS and are worthless. "Always hit?"...sure, for pathetic damage - and that was before the patch. Whatever you want to think about the patch, the facts are that missiles sucked for PvP before, much less now. Best anti-cruiser support: Cruise raven, although this is no longer the case. Best anti-frig support: eagle/precision light cerb Best EW support: Falcon Best dread(post citadel buff): phoenix Best FCS: Vulture Best BC: Drake Am I missing any?
eliminator2 Gallente Fatality.	Posted - 2008.11.14 09:13:00 - [532] every race has adapted to this patch i mean think about minmatar they used the vagabond (nanoer) and its ruined, they used the rapier/huggin its ruined becaus of web nerf there shield tanking ships ruined because of so many med slot fits you need to think of only ships they have are armor tankers and they arnt that great against every day PVP and then Gallenete speed nerf ruined the ishtar speed nerf ruined blasters and tracking is to low to do anything and with what iv heard drones are getting nerfed next (only med so fare i think) and the web has ruined the blaster boat BUT we have dominix ishtar can be fitted for tank and then the arazu/lachesis are good so we stilll have the good points left that we are using amarr sac and zealot are hurt by the speed nerf lazors have good range and tracking so they can use this to advantage they have pilgrim/curse for TD (tracking disruptors) so they arnt hurt bad Caldari have had missile dmg nerfed because they would be overpowered in this patch and its balanced it out they can still do damage but since when have they ever been considered high DPS in PVP and then theres the good points they can shoot long range not good but its not bad they have rohk for rails they ECM ships that can still perma jam anything they have the crow wich is still a great interceptor so thats a way caldari can go for PVP and since falcons are a big use in gangs allready its noting new to you guys. so the race/ships that need a boost the most is minmatar but do they whine nope they adapt and change to it and move on and i think caldari should do the same
Lana Lanee Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.14 09:23:00 - [533] adapt or die
0k00l	Posted - 2008.11.14 12:29:00 - [534] Edited by: 0k00l on 14/11/2008 12:31:20 Thank you, CCP. Any questions? I'm about to cancel my 2 account subscription. Caldari never give up!
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.14 12:32:00 - [535] Originally by: 0k00l Any questions? Thank you CCP. I'm about to cancel my 2 account subscription. http://rskum.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=1438 Caldari never give up! well.... at least he was trying to adapt.
eliminator2 Gallente Fatality.	Posted - 2008.11.14 12:36:00 - [536] Originally by: 0k00l Edited by: 0k00l on 14/11/2008 12:31:20 Thank you, CCP. Any questions? I'm about to cancel my 2 account subscription. Caldari never give up! can i haves ur stuff?
Haakelen Gallente Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2008.11.14 12:37:00 - [537] Originally by: 0k00l Caldari never give up! Apparently they do .
eliminator2 Gallente Fatality.	Posted - 2008.11.14 12:40:00 - [538] Originally by: Haakelen Originally by: 0k00l Caldari never give up! Apparently they do . or whine more :p lol
0k00l	Posted - 2008.11.14 16:43:00 - [539] Subscription successfully canceled
Pteranodon	Posted - 2008.11.14 16:53:00 - [540] Originally by: Demonic Sentiment well i see the domi possably passing the raven as mission king.. with that drone bay ....it already is.....even before the nerf!

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