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Bohoba Caldari HolyKnights	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:45:00 - [121] Originally by: Dirk Magnum I dunno if Bohoba is EBay'd or bought legitimately, but the fact that at 70 million SPs his owner is ready to biomass and start fresh with Amarr instead of cross-training just SCREAMS purchased character. The inanity of it all makes me want to think EBay'd character but I'd hate to accuse someone openly of that nope ccp can confirm OEM here :) almost 5 years of cald. sp training adapting after nerf after nerf after nerf for 12 straight patches. easier to train a noob up rather than look at all them wasted skill points.... I am adapting all new :) well if I can get the game to work patch didn't take lol had to head to work so somthing to do when I get off work 10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:46:00 - [122] Originally by: HankMurphy i'm going to go out on a limb here and say it wasn't mission runners that did that. it was incompetent pvpers No kidding. I just never saw the need to argue for more than a reduction to HAC speeds. I don't understand why it was necessary to re-invent the wheel, and less why the new wheel should be a square.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:46:00 - [123] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 12/11/2008 03:47:02 Originally by: Mattk50 oh, so gallente get to keep their drones, but we lose the advantage our missels give us huh? this is crap. gallente should have bad dps period but their drones should make up for it. Well, now turret tracking has been nerfed by 400% in webrange, what do you want? Free lunch? It's not like they didn't nerf medium drones too. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
EnslaverOfMinmatar Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:47:00 - [124] Edited by: EnslaverOfMinmatar on 12/11/2008 03:47:56 carebear tears!!! \......./ .\...../ ..\__/ fill mah bucket uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:47:00 - [125] Originally by: Bohoba Originally by: Dirk Magnum I dunno if Bohoba is EBay'd or bought legitimately, but the fact that at 70 million SPs his owner is ready to biomass and start fresh with Amarr instead of cross-training just SCREAMS purchased character. The inanity of it all makes me want to think EBay'd character but I'd hate to accuse someone openly of that nope ccp can confirm OEM here :) almost 5 years of cald. sp training adapting after nerf after nerf after nerf for 12 straight patches. easier to train a noob up rather than look at all them wasted skill points.... I am adapting all new :) well if I can get the game to work patch didn't take lol had to head to work so somthing to do when I get off work I still wouldn't do that. The shield skills aren't wasted, even if you armor tank (they give you a significant edge), and the learning skills sure aren't.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:48:00 - [126] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 12/11/2008 03:47:02 Originally by: Mattk50 oh, so gallente get to keep their drones, but we lose the advantage our missels give us huh? this is crap. gallente should have bad dps period but their drones should make up for it. Well, now turret tracking has been nerfed by 400% in webrange, what do you want? Free lunch? It's not like they didn't nerf medium drones too. And I honestly don't understand the logic behind that.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:50:00 - [127] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Taius Pax I picked up Blockade lvl 4, and I've been shooting non stop for 30 minutes and I'm barely through the first spawn. 7X CN Launchers with 3X CN BCU. What kind of bull** is this? Enjoy your nano nerf, Caldari pigs. ROAR Originally by:** CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:50:00 - [128] Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: Megan Maynard Lawl. Seriously, I love all the crying from people who really haven't tried this patch out at all yet. Have you ever actually flown a Cerberus in combat? For that matter, have you used Caldari ships for anything besides ratting? I've fought my fair share with the current patch and know you are all full of crap. Missiles hit for good damage against a MWD'ing pilot unless that missile is in a class above the ship. IE: cruises against cruisers. Even still they hit well as a MWD'ing pilot's sig will be HUGE. The bigger the sig the harder they fall. And I use missiles on all my ships and no they are not caldari. You aren't the only ones who use them after all. In addition, the cerb is now faster, can hit any ship fit with a MWD pretty damn well, and with the addition of a target painter can make a AB'ing ships life miserable.
Sacul Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:51:00 - [129] Its called balancing. You wanted nano's to go slower well... it all slows down including your missiles ow also... nano's still work in pvp as another WI massacre can testify (this after 4 days of local spam saying after tuesday we are all nothing in those speed boats teeheee)
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:53:00 - [130] Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: Demonic Sentiment explain.. the cerb gets a descent range bonus so u could shot em out to a decent range.. and get some actual dps Simple. Cerberus has very weak shields and can't nano effectively, especially now. It either needs its mids to hold a target down (if using HAMS), or is better employed sniping at range. If you are going to go up close, use a Drake or a Caracal. At least the Drake is insurable. The whole role of the Cerb was as a sniping ship. using it up close is throwing good ISK after bad. i want to be able to get up on the kill mials.. not at the very bottum lol
I SoStoned	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:53:00 - [131] Edited by: I SoStoned on 12/11/2008 03:53:47 Originally by: Raigir Edited by: Raigir on 12/11/2008 03:24:10 Originally by: ArmyOfMe oh the sweet sweet tears from the missile spammers that once whined about nanos btw, I am gallente, and when it now comes down to use either the thorax as opposed to the caracal for something like pvp. Won't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. (oh wait the rocket scientists are out of buisness anyway) Incorrect... rocket scientists are still in business because that's the only missile system that still does a decent bit of DPS under the new system. Rage rockets no longer gimp cap regen (sig increase) and rockets can catch up with & do almost full damage to an AB'ing frig. Against a cruiser rage rockets do some pretty nice damage compared to light missiles. Originally by: Raigir edit: @Malcanis - They produce isk by filling those buy orders of traders. Traders = affect economy. Traders define the entire economy. Without them the market has no goods to buy. Mission runners generate ISK but their item recovery is too low to really impact the market. PvP pilots invest ISK, they seldom both produce goods and/or ISK unless they follow subspecializations in the market/industry side or hunt Rats.
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:55:00 - [132] ADAPT OR DIE NANO*****S
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:56:00 - [133] Originally by: Megan Maynard Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: Megan Maynard Lawl. Seriously, I love all the crying from people who really haven't tried this patch out at all yet. Have you ever actually flown a Cerberus in combat? For that matter, have you used Caldari ships for anything besides ratting? I've fought my fair share with the current patch and know you are all full of crap. Missiles hit for good damage against a MWD'ing pilot unless that missile is in a class above the ship. IE: cruises against cruisers. Even still they hit well as a MWD'ing pilot's sig will be HUGE. The bigger the sig the harder they fall. And I use missiles on all my ships and no they are not caldari. You aren't the only ones who use them after all. In addition, the cerb is now faster, can hit any ship fit with a MWD pretty damn well, and with the addition of a target painter can make a AB'ing ships life miserable. I think you missed the part where: 1. They don't hit anyone else nearly as hard. 2. The Cerb isn't THAT much faster. 3. An AB reduces already reduced DPS further. 4. You don't fly the Cerb., so your opinions about it aren't really relevant, are they, unless you can state numbers. With the reduction to the effectiveness of many missiles' sniping abilities (precision, anyone?) why not just use a Drake?
Berious Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:58:00 - [134] Originally by: Cpt Branko [ Enjoy your nano nerf, Caldari pigs. Quoting dis
Szent AdamKiraly Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:59:00 - [135] God the irony is sweet hahahahah.
Nifan	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:02:00 - [136] Originally by: Allora Lyn Amarr, train'em what? i just lost a paladin
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:03:00 - [137] Edited by: Vikarion on 12/11/2008 04:03:21 Originally by: Nifan Originally by: Allora Lyn Amarr, train'em what? i just lost a paladin All battleships have been nerfed. Not really worth it to fly them except in fleet fights now, IMO. Unless you have gangmates and drones. EDIT: Agility, speed, ability to hit, drones, etc.
Dianeces The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:03:00 - [138] Epic ****ing karma. BAWWWW, MY MISSILES DON'T THE UBEREREER OVER 9000km/s NANO-HACS!!!!
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:06:00 - [139] Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 12/11/2008 03:47:02 Originally by: Mattk50 oh, so gallente get to keep their drones, but we lose the advantage our missels give us huh? this is crap. gallente should have bad dps period but their drones should make up for it. Well, now turret tracking has been nerfed by 400% in webrange, what do you want? Free lunch? It's not like they didn't nerf medium drones too. And I honestly don't understand the logic behind that. That's because Caldari don't know jack about game mechanics. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:06:00 - [140] I got an idea how about we make missles completely useless? Oh wait just did that. I got another idea ... how about we make stealth bombers completely useless? Oh wait did that too. i got an idea how about we make it so you need a fleet of BS to do a level 4 mission in less than 6 hours? wait done that too.. I dont typically complain about anything. IM use to devs making patches that constantly require me to change both my toons and in this case my loadouts. but you might as well give us a bow and arrows to shoot. I just went out to play in my NEW stealth bomber which i spent 18 mil on to find out now instead of being a glass cannon raven its now effectively an overpriced kessy that can fire bigger( and less effective) missles. i went from 650 dam per hit to 180 on the same ship type. That is a reduction to almost 25% of the original damage. you didnt nerf missles you completely **d them... 1/4 damage is not a nerf 75% damage is a nerf. 25% is making it a long range rocket. Missles have never really been a "great" pvp weapon since i have started playing. Some ships make them a good pvp weapon such as the manticore which is a good long range heavy dps frigate. but up close its as fragile a its 300k isk counter part. ..... Right before this patch i read , from a dev, that ccp wanted to change things so their would be more viable options for players. So that we didnt go with the FOTD and cookiecutter builds and made a varity of ships. Lets think about this CCP, you effectly just wiped a whole weapon class and basically a whole role out of "viable builds" . Missles werent often used in pvp before now it will next to 0 for missle use in pvp after this patch. you just contradicted yourself, CCP. your not improving the game , your making it worse. your giving us less options to use instead of more. now everyones going to use basically long range guns for long range fighting. I have an idea... since we pay you why dont you fix what we say needs fixing? personally, and i dont visit boards much but in game, i have not heard one thing about missles needing nerfed that they were to powerful. Speed their has been complaints about but never about missles. you should of left the missle nerf alone and just use the speed nerf which would of made missles ALOT MORE VIABLE thus instead of everyone using guns for pvp people might actually start doing missle boat builds. Do you guys actually think about logic behind these changes before you incorperate them into the game. do you get drunk/wasted and say " hey, it would be a cool idea if we made missles do the same damage as rockets" or hey think we should nerf missles so they arent overpowered when they hit slower moving targets?".... wasnt the point so they could be a viable weapon against speed tanks? So CCP I have one question for you... when you though of this missle nerf to give us "more viable options" so their would be more of a "variety of loadouts" ... WERE YOU F*ING HIGH when you thought of this ingenius plan?
Pedro Snachez Revolution Holdings	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:07:00 - [141] I fly a Kronos with pretty much maxed out gunnery and I needed to fit 2 Shadow Serp tracking comps and a domination web to be able to hit cruisers and frigs orbiting me. Let me just say that the whines about your max-dps Ravens/Golems having issues killing smaller ships warms me inside. Welcome to how the rest of the mission-running world does things. And by does things, I mean "uses their brains". 1. Use drones. 2. Use Target painters. 3. Go a little lighter on the unnecessary perma-run booster setups. 4. Profit. Sorry you can't do missions on braindead afk mode anymore.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:11:00 - [142] Originally by: Cpt Branko That's because Caldari don't know jack about game mechanics. No, it's because it was a stupid decision. And I have about 15 million SP in Amarr, about 1.8 in Caldari. What does that tell you?
Bohoba Caldari HolyKnights	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:11:00 - [143] Originally by: Szent AdamKiraly God the irony is sweet hahahahah. lol we are just back to square 1 :) nano will still be there we still won't be able to hit them or catch them just everything got slowed down so changeded nothing. took a lot of brain power on this patch I just hope the new code and hardware preform better than this speed decrease of eve. 10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
Mr Banzai Caldari Rogue Squadron	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:12:00 - [144] Cute, it's the trollfest time. Must be empty and lonely under all those bridges now. In other news, dear Megan, i'm calling BS (no, not the battleship) on your claim of trying missiles out there and getting good results. Go get a clue on what difference is there between explosion radius (which is the same as before the patch) and explosion velocity (which is the one nerfed to kingdom come and which doesn't have to do ANYTHING with ship size). CCP, you've made a mistake, fix it please.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:13:00 - [145] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 12/11/2008 04:14:47 Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: Cpt Branko That's because Caldari don't know jack about game mechanics. No, it's because it was a stupid decision. And I have about 15 million SP in Amarr, about 1.8 in Caldari. What does that tell you? You know how badly Amarr with 1.8M SP suck? Oh, wait you want easymode without any SP, or fitting challenges? Ohwait. That said, the patch, as a whole, sucks. But pretending like missiles are the broken thing is laughable. Originally by: Mr Banzai Cute, it's the trollfest time. Must be empty and lonely under all those bridges now. In other news, dear Megan, i'm calling BS (no, not the battleship) on your claim of trying missiles out there and getting good results. Go get a clue on what difference is there between explosion radius (which is the same as before the patch) and explosion velocity (which is the one nerfed to kingdom come and which doesn't have to do ANYTHING with ship size). CCP, you've made a mistake, fix it please. Get a clue. The missile damage formula has been found and posted (and yes, you need to web targets to do full DPS, but target painting also works depending on target size as large sig now counteracts targets outrunning explosion velocity). You just haven't been paying attention and were going 'lol, nano whiners' when people said 'SISI sucks'. Well, enjoy. Have fun with it now. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:13:00 - [146]
Szent AdamKiraly Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:14:00 - [147] Originally by: Viper **zIe Oh quotin dis.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:15:00 - [148] Originally by: Pedro Snachez 1. Use drones. Kronos drone bay: 125 m3 Raven drone bay: 75 m3 Originally by: Pedro Snachez 2. Use Target painters. Shield tank. Originally by: Pedro Snachez 3. Go a little lighter on the unnecessary perma-run booster setups. That's a Dominix you're thinking of. Ravens don't perma-tank well without really expensive dead-space/officer gear. Originally by: Pedro Snachez 4. Profit. Not anymore. Originally by: Pedro Snachez Sorry you can't do missions on braindead afk mode anymore. Again, you are thinking of a Dominix. In a Raven, it's literally impossible to AFK mission. Someone has to fire the missiles.
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:16:00 - [149] Originally by: Pedro Snachez I fly a Kronos with pretty much maxed out gunnery and I needed to fit 2 Shadow Serp tracking comps and a domination web to be able to hit cruisers and frigs orbiting me. Let me just say that the whines about your max-dps Ravens/Golems having issues killing smaller ships warms me inside. Welcome to how the rest of the mission-running world does things. And by does things, I mean "uses their brains". 1. Use drones. 2. Use Target painters. 3. Go a little lighter on the unnecessary perma-run booster setups. 4. Profit. Sorry you can't do missions on braindead afk mode anymore. UM as far as i know target painters dont work with missles. at least they never have with my ships.
Khamal Jolstien Caldari Product Number 3	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:17:00 - [150] Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Originally by: Pedro Snachez I fly a Kronos with pretty much maxed out gunnery and I needed to fit 2 Shadow Serp tracking comps and a domination web to be able to hit cruisers and frigs orbiting me. Let me just say that the whines about your max-dps Ravens/Golems having issues killing smaller ships warms me inside. Welcome to how the rest of the mission-running world does things. And by does things, I mean "uses their brains". 1. Use drones. 2. Use Target painters. 3. Go a little lighter on the unnecessary perma-run booster setups. 4. Profit. Sorry you can't do missions on braindead afk mode anymore. UM as far as i know target painters dont work with missles. at least they never have with my ships. They do now kinda. Unfortunately you have to reduce your tank even further by losing yet another midslot. It still doesn't return it to full effectiveness unfortunately.

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