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Malcanis
RuffRyders Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 12/11/2008 08:29:30
Originally by: Vikarion Edited by: Vikarion on 12/11/2008 08:20:18
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Dirtee Girl um wait there was this great quote that kept comming up what was it ....?
oh yeah adapt or die right ?
I seem to remember a few mission runners saying something along those lines on this forum yes...
It's relatively easy for the mission-runners to adapt to this.
Hey, it would have been even easier for these people to have warped to 0Km but they still whined and cried and wailed for suicide gank nerfs. Asking them to fit a module as well - that's way over the line, mister. You're insane, why would anyone do that when they can just cancel their account?
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Vikarion
Caldari White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Hey, it would have been even easier for these people to have warped to 0Km but they still whined and cried and wailed for suicide gank nerfs. Asking them to fit a module as well - that's way over the line, mister. You're insane, why would anyone do that when they can just cancel their account?
Beats me.
Still, I think in the whining over missiles, everyone is missing the fact that CCP JUST PUT ANOTHER NAIL IN THE COFFIN OF SOLO PVP!
Oh, and that they effectively ruined another weapons system, nerfed a whole class of ships, and etc. All because HACs were too fast.
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Oftherocks
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:36:00 -
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Guided missiles have been totally nerfed to uselessness.
Yes, people should have figured this out before the patch was deployed. But then again customers aren't required to help test new things and help with game balancing; this is a developers job.
To those who don't see this as a major over nerf either, a.) you are a non-missile user suffering from a major case of schadenfreude or, b.) you are totally delusional and or misinformed.
The explosion velocity on a small missile has gone from 1750 m/sec to 170 m/sec, a decrease of 90.3%. The explosion velocity of heavy missiles has gone from 750 m/sec to 81 m/sec, a decrease of 89.2%. The explosion velocity of cruise missiles has gone from 500 m/sec to 69 m/sec, a decrease of 86.2%. With these changes you don't need any speed mods at all (not even an ab) to speed tank against a missile ship.
To add insult to injury they even reduced the Golems bonus of 10% increased explosion velocity to 5%, even though the Golems bonuses are supposed to be designed to allow it to easily destroy smaller ships.
So yeah, missile users are screwed.... time to train rails or lasers.
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Lady Aja
Caldari Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Taius Pax I picked up Blockade lvl 4, and I've been shooting non stop for 30 minutes and I'm barely through the first spawn. 7X CN Launchers with 3X CN BCU. What kind of bull**** is this?
CCP adapted instead of emoragequiting...
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Barton Foley
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aja
Originally by: Taius Pax I picked up Blockade lvl 4, and I've been shooting non stop for 30 minutes and I'm barely through the first spawn. 7X CN Launchers with 3X CN BCU. What kind of bull**** is this?
CCP adapted instead of emoragequiting...
I lol'd.
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Raguun
LDK Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:39:00 -
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Is this trait or some Role playing of Caldari ship pilots? Whine all the time? Now you face same problems as all other BS users had to face for years.
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Wayson I still do not know, and never will understand, why missiles had to be nerfed. Were they destroying PvP? Hahahahaha. Were they breaking PvE by making missions ridiculously easy? ... not really, as NPCs vomit defenders and there are swarms of small ships even in L4s. Blargh.
They would have broken the tweaked role for small, AB-using ships. This brings missiles in line with turret guns against small fast targets. Quote: *continues training Gallente Frigate III, onward to the Dominix!*
May I suggest stopping at Gallente cruisers and BCs — they eat L4s for breakfast, just like before
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Vikarion
Caldari White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Oftherocks So yeah, missile users are screwed.... time to train rails or lasers.
Now that webs have been nerfed, you'll be lucky to hit a battleship with guns.
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GeneralMartok
the united
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:43:00 -
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why can't raven pilots use TP drones and save that mid slot Hab SoSlI' Quch! |
Oftherocks
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Wayson I still do not know, and never will understand, why missiles had to be nerfed. Were they destroying PvP? Hahahahaha. Were they breaking PvE by making missions ridiculously easy? ... not really, as NPCs vomit defenders and there are swarms of small ships even in L4s. Blargh.
They would have broken the tweaked role for small, AB-using ships. This brings missiles in line with turret guns against small fast targets
No, it doesn't, not even close.
Originally by: Raguun Is this trait or some Role playing of Caldari ship pilots? Whine all the time? Now you face same problems as all other BS users had to face for years.
You haven't even looked at the numbers have you?
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil CCP has finally done it right! Now Caldari are on par with the rest of us when it comes to PVP, and PVE.
hey, atleast you still have the ONLY VIABLE FORM OF COMBAT EWAR. oh and lets not forget RIDICULOUS TANKS. the ability to perma run PVP setups is just plain offensive.
To the Stealth bombers. You know, the subtle DROP IN BOMB PRICES, + the LACK OF USE A CRUISE MISSLE BOMBER DOES, kind of HINTS at SOMETHING, If you get my drift. *COUGH* USE BOMBS *COUGH, COUGH*
So what ship do we have that can one volley cruisers or frigs at range , and do 1k+ dps vs battleships?
A normal CNR setup assuming maxed out missile and drone skills is just under 800 dps. Unless you are overloading or using faction ammo ofcourse. This assumes a webbed & painted battleship.
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Lethos Aranis
THE BLACK RAGE FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Raguun Is this trait or some Role playing of Caldari ship pilots? Whine all the time? Now you face same problems as all other BS users had to face for years.
I don't get this attitude. How is something that nerfs some people yet benefits no one a funny thing? Fact is that this patch has made the game worse for pretty much everyone. The game suffers because of this, nano nerf and God knows what else. Instead of tweaking speed and tweaking missiles, they have used the sledge hammer and bye bye PvP & PvE, read: Bye bye Eve.
Adapt or die is a good motto, and no doubt most of us will be doing it but it's no excuse for what is essentially a bad patch, benefiting no one.
Oh and another thing, so we fly Caldari. What's your point? Ever thought about the fact that we also have other characters of different races so know all too well what the other problems are?
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Raguun
LDK Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:49:00 -
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Edited by: Raguun on 12/11/2008 08:53:05
Originally by: Oftherocks
Originally by: Raguun Is this trait or some Role playing of Caldari ship pilots? Whine all the time? Now you face same problems as all other BS users had to face for years.
You haven't even looked at the numbers have you?
What numbers? What 90% of mission runners are Caldari Raven pilots. This contingent whined the most while not being able to hit nanoes with their uber PVE ratting Ravens (PVE ship in pvp, lol). Asked for nerf. Here it is ppl!! Now you whine for consequence. What you expected CCP will do? Make your Ravens uber in pvp too, so noone would fly other races at all? They balanced things in the way you asked.
Edit: So what Raven is no doubt best PVE ship is not outbalanced? And if you are stupid to take other race you had to face drawbacks in mission running?
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Pesadel0
Minmatar Vagabundos
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Taius Pax I picked up Blockade lvl 4, and I've been shooting non stop for 30 minutes and I'm barely through the first spawn. 7X CN Launchers with 3X CN BCU. What kind of bull**** is this?
Enjoy your nano nerf, Caldari pigs.
I loled hard :)
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viuva
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:55:00 -
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vai mamar na quinta pata = pesa
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Oftherocks
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Raguun
Originally by: Oftherocks
Originally by: Raguun Is this trait or some Role playing of Caldari ship pilots? Whine all the time? Now you face same problems as all other BS users had to face for years.
You haven't even looked at the numbers have you?
What numbers? What 90% of mission runners are Caldari Raven pilots. This contingent whined the most while not being able to hit nanoes with their uber PVE ratting Ravens (PVE ship in pvp, lol). Asked for nerf. Here it is ppl!! Now you whine for consequence. What you expected CCP will do? Make your Ravens uber in pvp too, so noone would fly other races at all? They balanced things in the way you asked.
You are totally clueless. This isn't about Ravens and PvE, this is about all missiles getting royally screwed. Please, do some damn homework before you come in here spilling your ignorant views.
And by the way, I have never ever complained about nano's or asked for nano nerfs. I think the whole SpeedRebalance thing is awful.
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:01:00 -
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Edited by: Hyveres on 12/11/2008 09:01:51 Who cared about nano's anyway.
As proven by quite a few engagements all you needed to do was land a bit of tackle and the nanoships went poof. A good nanogang would ofcourse avoid engagements where that could happen but then no fight = no KM.
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Chris Liath
Gallente Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lethos Aranis
Originally by: Raguun Is this trait or some Role playing of Caldari ship pilots? Whine all the time? Now you face same problems as all other BS users had to face for years.
I don't get this attitude. How is something that nerfs some people yet benefits no one a funny thing? Fact is that this patch has made the game worse for pretty much everyone. The game suffers because of this, nano nerf and God knows what else. Instead of tweaking speed and tweaking missiles, they have used the sledge hammer and bye bye PvP & PvE, read: Bye bye Eve.
Adapt or die is a good motto, and no doubt most of us will be doing it but it's no excuse for what is essentially a bad patch, benefiting no one.
Oh and another thing, so we fly Caldari. What's your point? Ever thought about the fact that we also have other characters of different races so know all too well what the other problems are?
Nerf benefits no one? Made the game worse for everyone? I love this patch. I welcome it with all my heart. I've been waiting ages for this patch, and I will enjoy your salty tears to the fullest.
Now there will be other ships to pvp in, other ships to pve in, and strategy and tactics will actually matter. Not just speed and missile damage.
Meh, you're caldari. You wouldn't understand.
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Oftherocks
Originally by: Tippia They would have broken the tweaked role for small, AB-using ships. This brings missiles in line with turret guns against small fast targets
No, it doesn't, not even close.
Turrets = zero damage; missiles = zero damage— how is that "not even close"?
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Chris Liath Nerf benefits no one? Made the game worse for everyone? I love this patch. I welcome it with all my heart. I've been waiting ages for this patch, and I will enjoy your salty tears to the fullest.
Now there will be other ships to pvp in, other ships to pve in, and strategy and tactics will actually matter. Not just speed and missile damage.
Meh, you're caldari. You wouldn't understand.
Tbh missiletactics in PvP has changed from , anti support to one option only.
Bring heavy tacklers & ewar , land 2-3 webs , and dualpaint target , let missiles rip it apart. Ofcourse a target sitting like that dies even faster to guns.
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Oftherocks
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Oftherocks
Originally by: Tippia They would have broken the tweaked role for small, AB-using ships. This brings missiles in line with turret guns against small fast targets
No, it doesn't, not even close.
Turrets = zero damage; missiles = zero damageł how is that "not even close"?
You aren't getting it. This isn't that Cruise missiles can't hit frigs for crap, it is that a BS with NO speed mods can now speed tank a cruise missile ship.
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Berious
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Hyveres Edited by: Hyveres on 12/11/2008 09:01:51 Who cared about nano's anyway.
As proven by quite a few engagements all you needed to do was land a bit of tackle and the nanoships went poof. A good nanogang would ofcourse avoid engagements where that could happen but then no fight = no KM.
Caldari Militia in their Drake blobs whined endlessly for a speed nerf. Even after various nano counters were explained they whined some more. That's why you see people who got nerfed even harder laughing at a missile changes.
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Cat Molina
Minmatar Psychotic Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:09:00 -
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As an envoy of the Minmatar Republic, I have been commanded by my superiors to offer this message to the heads of the Caldari State:
"Welcome to our world."
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cat Molina As an envoy of the Minmatar Republic, I have been commanded by my superiors to offer this message to the heads of the Caldari State:
"Welcome to our world."
Hmm never noticed the caldari BC or CS that could break 1k dps.
We wont be in that world untill we got one :)
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Lethos Aranis
THE BLACK RAGE FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lethos Aranis Oh and another thing, so we fly Caldari. What's your point? Ever thought about the fact that we also have other characters of different races so know all too well what the other problems are?
Originally by: Chris Liath Meh, you're caldari. You wouldn't understand.
Read again. This character is Caldari. The others are not
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Stork DK
Minmatar Synthetic Frontiers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:11:00 -
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I love it how the carebears whined for a nerf to nanos and ended up getting hit by the rebounce of the bat
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Oftherocks You aren't getting it. This isn't that Cruise missiles can't hit frigs for crap, it is that a BS with NO speed mods can now speed tank a cruise missile ship.
No, that's not what this is about. Or, rather, if that's what you wanted to discuss, then maybe you shouldn't have answered my post. You see, I wrote: Originally by: Tippia They would have broken the tweaked role for small, AB-using ships. This brings missiles in line with turret guns against small fast targets
Non-modded battleships are not "small, AB-using ships." Read before posting — tip of the day.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Oftherocks
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Oftherocks
Originally by: Tippia They would have broken the tweaked role for small, AB-using ships. This brings missiles in line with turret guns against small fast targets
No, it doesn't, not even close.
Turrets = zero damage; missiles = zero damageł how is that "not even close"?
You aren't getting it. This isn't that Cruise missiles can't hit frigs for crap, it is that a BS with NO speed mods can now speed tank a cruise missile ship.
I agree with this.
I think the speed nerf and missle changes were needed, but not for class on class combat.
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Szent AdamKiraly
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:16:00 -
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bleed carebears bleed mwuhahahhaah.
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Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2008.11.12 09:17:00 -
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Me strokes his maxed out Nighthawk ..
Hmm lovely ...
I think that Golem is going in storage for a while ..
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