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Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:15:00 - [91] STUFF DUDE FFS you don't need precisions to hit a MWD'ing ship any more. If you want a nano fit, fit the same damn thing and swap a Target painter for a web. If you want more tank, fit a ab and a target painter and have someone tackle for you. The zealot has to deal with the fact that if he has a MWD you WILL HIT HIM. If he doesn't you can dictate range and, gasp, hit him with a TP fit since his small sig radius will be negated. Look at your missiles stats, if you can get his sig radius near yours then you are in business now. Before you could forget every having your missiles hit at all with the MWD speeds.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:15:00 - [92] Originally by: Raigir Edited by: Raigir on 12/11/2008 03:02:11 Missles are already getting some bad dps at times than compared to some turrents. Why nerf them further. They need more of a buff just to keep up with turrents. Sure blasters are very limited in range but pack a crap load of dps and sure missles are more versitle and have no such thing as tracking.(maybe explo velocity and sig radius) But what good is it if it can't do squat to anything. The reason I switched to guns early on is because missiles sucked. That was before all of this. Missiles, except for torpedoes after a certain expansion, have always sucked. They hit for less DPS, they take too long to arrive at their target, they are easily avoided or outrun...so on and so forth. They were only really useful in PvE, or special circumstances. Guns were almost always better. Obviously, this led CCP to decide that they were far too useful.
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:19:00 - [93] Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: Raigir Edited by: Raigir on 12/11/2008 03:02:11 Missles are already getting some bad dps at times than compared to some turrents. Why nerf them further. They need more of a buff just to keep up with turrents. Sure blasters are very limited in range but pack a crap load of dps and sure missles are more versitle and have no such thing as tracking.(maybe explo velocity and sig radius) But what good is it if it can't do squat to anything. The reason I switched to guns early on is because missiles sucked. That was before all of this. Missiles, except for torpedoes after a certain expansion, have always sucked. They hit for less DPS, they take too long to arrive at their target, they are easily avoided or outrun...so on and so forth. They were only really useful in PvE, or special circumstances. Guns were almost always better. Obviously, this led CCP to decide that they were far too useful. i really dont understand the last part of that lol..
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:19:00 - [94] Originally by: MMXMMX Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Golem is still fine, I don't understand the epic whine This :) My Golem is hitting a frig for 30 dmg and that is with max cruise skils and 5 hardwire 5% missile implants and faction missiles and the frig is armor rapping faster then i can shoot in my Golem i cant hit ** . We need a fix lol No, you need to put 5 light drones in your drone bay and shoot the big missiles at the big** targets.
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:20:00 - [95] Originally by: Troye Originally by: Taius Pax Apparently... If this is working as intended and the future direction of Eve is several hour long missions, I think EVE's subscriber base is going to shrink... Several Hour long missions? Thats not good for anyone, I know CCP want more ISK sinks but thats gunna put up the price of everything surely. Maybe if the missions where actualy exciting it might be a worthy change but missioning just sounds even more mind numbingly boring now. How will reducing riskless income raise prices? Mission runners produce ISK, not goods and materials.
Raigir	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:20:00 - [96] Edited by: Raigir on 12/11/2008 03:24:10 Originally by: ArmyOfMe oh the sweet sweet tears from the missile spammers that once whined about nanos btw, I am gallente, and when it now comes down to use either the thorax as opposed to the caracal for something like pvp. Won't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. (oh wait the rocket scientists are out of buisness anyway) edit: @Malcanis - They produce isk by filling those buy orders of traders. Traders = affect economy.
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:23:00 - [97] Originally by: Colonel Bloodtide As an Amarr who runs missions, uses ABs and hates NPCs who use missiles, im very happy at the sound of this. If im understanding the issue correctly that is. Npcs havent been changed in years. Your ab wont be any tank vs npcs. ------------------------ Have you fed your slaves recently? -BRB Rens
Lone Hitman	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:25:00 - [98] The only problem is that it's still taking 3 times as long to do a mission no matter what solution you offer.
Szent AdamKiraly Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:26:00 - [99] lol reap what you sow fukwits.
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:27:00 - [100] Originally by: Nadarius Chrome No, you need to put 5 light drones in your drone bay and shoot the big missiles at the big targets. Except before the patch... the mwd npc frigs were killable with those BIG missiles. Now because of a totally unrelated nerf and balance. This has changed. I do hope you realize the threadnaught that has just jumped in the forum. Whose whine module just activated. The longer this takes... the more the threadnaughts jump in. All sieging the hell out of the forums. ------------------------ Have you fed your slaves recently? -BRB Rens
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:27:00 - [101] Originally by: Lone Hitman The only problem is that it's still taking 3 times as long to do a mission no matter what solution you offer. Then clearly you aren't using a solution at all since I know for a fact the missions don't take any longer.
Rhaegor Stormborn Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:28:00 - [102] I am happy to see Caldari tears. It has been Caldari Online for far too long now. I wish I was Amarr, but I guess it isn't terrible being Minmatar right now.
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:29:00 - [103] Originally by: Szent AdamKiraly lol reap what you sow fukwits. carebears had nothing to do with the nano*** nerf. Carebears are unable to use mwd. Meaning carebears have no interaction with 40km/s ships. ------------------------ Have you fed your slaves recently? -BRB Rens
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:29:00 - [104] Originally by: Jason Edwards Originally by: Nadarius Chrome No, you need to put 5 light drones in your drone bay and shoot the big missiles at the big targets. Except before the patch... the mwd npc frigs were killable with those BIG missiles. Now because of a totally unrelated nerf and balance. This has changed. I do hope you realize the threadnaught that has just jumped in the forum. Whose whine module just activated. The longer this takes... the more the threadnaughts jump in. All sieging the hell out of the forums. And this is different from the nano nerf how? I have to completely re think the way I fit ships now. Join the club. Caldari are really going for biggest whiners in the universe aren't they?
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:30:00 - [105] umm.. when your weapons cant do enough dmg to break a frigs tank.. come back and talk to me about whining...
Lone Hitman	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:30:00 - [106] Originally by: Megan Maynard Originally by: Lone Hitman The only problem is that it's still taking 3 times as long to do a mission no matter what solution you offer. Then clearly you aren't using a solution at all since I know for a fact the missions don't take any longer. We at least have to wait for them to get into range of any solutions such as drones, webbers or painters, and all the while our shields are being dissipated a huge amount compared to before.
Anonymous Troll	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:31:00 - [107] Originally by: Demonic Sentiment umm.. when your weapons cant do enough dmg to break a frigs tank.. come back and talk to me about whining... I think you need to train more skills and check your ship setup. Either that or you are terrible and should quit Eve.
Taius Pax	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:33:00 - [108] Originally by: Megan Maynard Originally by: Lone Hitman The only problem is that it's still taking 3 times as long to do a mission no matter what solution you offer. Then clearly you aren't using a solution at all since I know for a fact the missions don't take any longer. Empirical evidence disagrees with your "facts." I did a check of my logs and against identical BS target shields (one example) damage has gone from 298 to 224. That's nearly 25% decrease and that's on a BS. I've checked quite a few and it's more or less in the range of 20-30% decrease on all of them. Cruisers and Frigs are far worse.
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:34:00 - [109] Originally by: Anonymous Troll Originally by: Demonic Sentiment umm.. when your weapons cant do enough dmg to break a frigs tank.. come back and talk to me about whining... I think you need to train more skills and check your ship setup. Either that or you are terrible and should quit Eve. have u tried to use heavy missiles on a cerb yet? not like i can use hams.. now that there range has been nerfed to ****
Lone Hitman	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:34:00 - [110] Originally by: Anonymous Troll Originally by: Demonic Sentiment umm.. when your weapons cant do enough dmg to break a frigs tank.. come back and talk to me about whining... I think you need to train more skills and check your ship setup. Either that or you are terrible and should quit Eve. I have nearly max siege / marauder skills and the difference with this new patch is stupid.
Szent AdamKiraly Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:34:00 - [111] Originally by: Jason Edwards Originally by: Szent AdamKiraly lol reap what you sow fukwits. carebears had nothing to do with the nano*** nerf. Carebears are unable to use mwd. Meaning carebears have no interaction with 40km/s ships. Carebears had nothing to do with the nerf? That is quite possibly the dumbest thing i have heard all year.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:35:00 - [112] Edited by: Vikarion on 12/11/2008 03:35:57 Originally by: Demonic Sentiment Originally by: Anonymous Troll Originally by: Demonic Sentiment umm.. when your weapons cant do enough dmg to break a frigs tank.. come back and talk to me about whining... I think you need to train more skills and check your ship setup. Either that or you are terrible and should quit Eve. have u tried to use heavy missiles on a cerb yet? not like i can use hams.. now that there range has been nerfed to **** Also, fitting HAMS on a Cerb is pretty much suicide by stupidity, since they die so easily.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:37:00 - [113] Originally by: Vikarion Edited by: Vikarion on 12/11/2008 03:35:57 Originally by: Demonic Sentiment Originally by: Anonymous Troll Originally by: Demonic Sentiment umm.. when your weapons cant do enough dmg to break a frigs tank.. come back and talk to me about whining... I think you need to train more skills and check your ship setup. Either that or you are terrible and should quit Eve. have u tried to use heavy missiles on a cerb yet? not like i can use hams.. now that there range has been nerfed to **** Also, fitting HAMS on a Cerb is pretty much suicide by stupidity, since they die so easily. Lawl. Seriously, I love all the crying from people who really haven't tried this patch out at all yet.
Raigir	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:37:00 - [114] Originally by: Szent AdamKiraly Originally by: Jason Edwards Originally by: Szent AdamKiraly lol reap what you sow fukwits. carebears had nothing to do with the nano*** nerf. Carebears are unable to use mwd. Meaning carebears have no interaction with 40km/s ships. Carebears had nothing to do with the nerf? That is quite possibly the dumbest thing i have heard all year. Nanoing involves being untouchable in a pvp setting, if this is what happens to something completely unrelated to pvp, this seriously needs to be rethinked.
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:38:00 - [115] Originally by: Vikarion Edited by: Vikarion on 12/11/2008 03:35:57 Originally by: Demonic Sentiment Originally by: Anonymous Troll Originally by: Demonic Sentiment umm.. when your weapons cant do enough dmg to break a frigs tank.. come back and talk to me about whining... I think you need to train more skills and check your ship setup. Either that or you are terrible and should quit Eve. have u tried to use heavy missiles on a cerb yet? not like i can use hams.. now that there range has been nerfed to **** Also, fitting HAMS on a Cerb is pretty much suicide by stupidity, since they die so easily. explain.. the cerb gets a descent range bonus so u could shot em out to a decent range.. and get some actual dps
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:38:00 - [116] Demonic is starting to see the light....... Keep running dude you are almost there!
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:39:00 - [117] Originally by: Megan Maynard Lawl. Seriously, I love all the crying from people who really haven't tried this patch out at all yet. Have you ever actually flown a Cerberus in combat? For that matter, have you used Caldari ships for anything besides ratting?
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:42:00 - [118] Originally by: Demonic Sentiment explain.. the cerb gets a descent range bonus so u could shot em out to a decent range.. and get some actual dps Simple. Cerberus has very weak shields and can't nano effectively, especially now. It either needs its mids to hold a target down (if using HAMS), or is better employed sniping at range. If you are going to go up close, use a Drake or a Caracal. At least the Drake is insurable. The whole role of the Cerb was as a sniping ship. using it up close is throwing good ISK after bad.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:42:00 - [119] sounds like everyone is shocked SHOCKED at the changes? what did you expect? lol at people screaming at mission runners "LOLOL this is what you get for nerfing my nanos" i'm going to go out on a limb here and say it wasn't mission runners that did that. it was incompetent pvpers sounds like an increase to grind? omg i'm shocked you guys are really surprised by all this? here is how i see quantum rise coming to be. imagine a sculptor trying to create his masterpiece. but every time he looks at it it's a bit unsymmetrical. so he shaves a bit off the left, and then a bit more off the right, until the final product is NOTHING like what the museum was expecting. they didn't really nerf anything. a nerf is a calculated change to one aspect of the game. with quantum rise they completely changed the game foundations. subtle tweaks that have been made over several years were wiped and we started from zero. the real question is, is this best in the long run?? well, i'll leave that judgement to time and you fine people. i never did see what was wrong with the game to begin with, have been against every nerf they have thought up in the last 2 years.... ------------------------------ everybody be cool this is a threadjack! just lay face down on the ground and no one will get hurt!
Mattk50 Caldari House Maadiah	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:43:00 - [120] oh, so gallente get to keep their drones, but we lose the advantage our missels give us huh? this is crap. gallente should have bad dps period but their drones should make up for it.

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