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Valan
The Fated
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:46:00 -
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I feel the noob pain.
From a personal view I couldn't care less. Level 5 skills across the board means a vet can jump into the next FOTM. While more skills come out forcing the new guy to specialise the nerf stings even more.
I'll nerf myself and terminate the char so I can feel whats its like to be shafted every 6 months lol /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig |
Another Forum'Alt
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:46:00 -
[362]
Originally by: Taius Pax
Originally by: Glassback Ive just run a mission using the same CNR Cruise setup and it's no different.
Run a cargo mission?
It's even worse at cargo missions now.
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Doctor Remulak
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tiirae
Originally by: Bohoba hehe charicter Bohoba can be recycled in 10 hours 55 min another 70mill sp char bites the dust... training an ammar noob now
Ha Ha, thats possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read. I am hoping like hell you really did this. Oh no! I've sprained my ankle... better take the whole leg off doc!
qft
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Welp Welp
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:52:00 -
[364]
i lolled at this thread
be carefull what you whine about you might get more than you bargain for.
ohh well have fun the next year
Finally we get a mission running nerf
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 12/11/2008 15:01:13 Dear Caldari Mission runners;
I, as a mixed-type player (sometimes missions, sometimes ratting, sometimes PVP) do indeed feel bad for you. it does seem that CCP overstepped a bit when adjusting missiles to make Assault Frigates more viable (and this was the real reason for the missile nerf, it's not directly related to nanos). However, May I humbly suggest that you have, within your own Empire's ship stable, a viable, useful alternative.
The Rokh. (You can't stop it! )
I would imagine that many (if not most) of you have already cross-trained some Hybrid turrets already, so making the step over to the Rokh shouldn't be that difficult. Try fitting out your rokh with T2 425mm railguns and some Faction Antimatter ammo (with some extra Faction Iron ammo in there for those really far away targets) You will do plenty of damage, and will once again be able to rip through missions to your heart's content.
Best of luck to you!
A Gallente friend. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
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Donkee Punch
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:06:00 -
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Interesting... the amount of carebear bashing in this thread. Lest we forget children.. CAREBEARS make up a HUGE component of Eve. Their subscriptions form a substantial part of CCP revenue stream.
Carebears truly don't give a rats azz about PvP'ers they just want to noodle around Empire running missions and feel like they can be a terror by soloing lvl4 missions.
This has now been made much more difficult for them, Missiles were never the PvP WTFPWNOMGBBQSAUCE weapon anyway, yet with the abuse of nanosetups (rightfully complained about by PvP'rs I might add) the ability to reach "Ludicrous Speed" was addressed. Sadly this has also had the effect of further limiting Missiles usefullness.
Once again a samll vocal minority has caused a major shift in gameplay for the majority, Eve is rapidly becoming much akin to having a "second job" .. here is a newsflash.... 99.00% of the Carebears play Eve to HAVE FUN.. not get ganked.. not to work like a dog for little "apparent" reward. Hopefully this won't cause the playerbase to reduce too much, but this Missile nerf / adjustment was, I believe, poorly thought out at best.
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imnakid
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:09:00 -
[367]
lol best to watch what you whine about in the future |
Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Hyveres on 12/11/2008 15:12:10
Originally by: imnakid lol best to watch what you whine about in the future
You mean what you whine about?
PvPers whined about nano's. Carebears on the other hand do a mission or 2(or more) then log out and rarely visit the forums.
So whiners like you caused the missilenerf.
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Reennor
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:16:00 -
[369]
Can you please fix my missiles so I can run missions again, thank you CCP.
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Ethaet
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hyveres Edited by: Hyveres on 12/11/2008 15:12:10
Originally by: imnakid lol best to watch what you whine about in the future
You mean what you whine about?
PvPers whined about nano's. Carebears on the other hand do a mission or 2(or more) then log out and rarely visit the forums.
So whiners like you caused the missilenerf.
This. -------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously, we need some kind of separation between the post and signature. There you go. Now that wasn't so hard |
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Mistress Evita
Caldari Booze and Hookers
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:22:00 -
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Use a Nighthawk or cross train to use guns. What's so hard about that?
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Depopulo
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:30:00 -
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WTF did they do to T2 cruise missiles???
Wrath precision Cruise missile 71 m/sec base exp velocity 3.5 damage reduction factor-what does this mean....??
Wrath Fury Cruise mssile 58 m/sec base exp velocity 4.7 damage reduction factor 4.5% sig radius penalty
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Lance Dragmire
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:30:00 -
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I don't understand the whining.
I saw the numbers that had changed for the cruise missiles and was worried. My explosion velocity and radius were both nerfed, and I was worried that I wouldn't be able to do **** against mission rats.
Then I actually logged on and TRIED it... and I was surprisingly still able to run missions just as quickly as I did before in my Raven.
Now... I'm not running these missions using crappy skills at level 1 for the raven. Most are at level 4 for the missile and missile support skills. This no doubt helps.
Also, I field a flight of mediums AND a flight of light drones for dealing with frigates. The only major change I noticed is my medium drones have a lot more trouble hitting frigates. Ok fine, that's what lights are for.
The other change I noticed is I cannot one-volley destroyers anymore. Ok, fair enough, it was fun while it lasted, but I can take them out with 2 volleys or have my drones **** them.
Frigs are a pain to kill with missiles now. Oh no? They're hard to kill with guns too... light drones ftw.
Cruisers take me maybe 1, maybe 2 more volleys than normal to kill. No biggy, just more missiles I have to use. Certainly not the "doom and gloom" everyone is spewing.
Battleships? No change. I **** them the same as I did before.
Don't know what everyone is complaining about tbh. I even tried it with my room-mates torp raven and the damage #s seemed about the same (a little nerfed for cruisers and below but still viable).
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Dragmire I don't understand the whining.
I saw the numbers that had changed for the cruise missiles and was worried. My explosion velocity and radius were both nerfed, and I was worried that I wouldn't be able to do **** against mission rats.
Then I actually logged on and TRIED it... and I was surprisingly still able to run missions just as quickly as I did before in my Raven.
Now... I'm not running these missions using crappy skills at level 1 for the raven. Most are at level 4 for the missile and missile support skills. This no doubt helps.
Also, I field a flight of mediums AND a flight of light drones for dealing with frigates. The only major change I noticed is my medium drones have a lot more trouble hitting frigates. Ok fine, that's what lights are for.
The other change I noticed is I cannot one-volley destroyers anymore. Ok, fair enough, it was fun while it lasted, but I can take them out with 2 volleys or have my drones **** them.
Frigs are a pain to kill with missiles now. Oh no? They're hard to kill with guns too... light drones ftw.
Cruisers take me maybe 1, maybe 2 more volleys than normal to kill. No biggy, just more missiles I have to use. Certainly not the "doom and gloom" everyone is spewing.
Battleships? No change. I **** them the same as I did before.
Don't know what everyone is complaining about tbh. I even tried it with my room-mates torp raven and the damage #s seemed about the same (a little nerfed for cruisers and below but still viable).
THIS
Wasn't sure what to think of the "OMG SKY IS FALLING" threads I saw at work, but now that i got home and tried a l4 out out w/ my trusty cruise cnr (t1 missiles) I didn't even notice a difference.
Did another, dropped my AB i fit for convenience and fit a painter just for the hell of it and even faster. Unless they did a rollback (lol), i think ppl should complain less and try patch first.
I'm not saying 'its not so bad of a nerf', 'i can accept the compromise of the changes', 'i will adapt' i'm saying "I DONT EVEN NOTICE A DIFFERENCE"
Not that i'm happy about the speed changes what so ever (i want to be clear about that) but missioners will be just fine. ------------------------------ everybody be cool this is a threadjack! just lay face down on the ground and no one will get hurt! |
Blastil
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:40:00 -
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Quoting for ignorance.
Originally by: Khamal Jolstien
Ridic tanks were only achieved by sacrificing everything else. Bombs still won't be used most likely. The bombers purpose outside of bombs was to kill small targets, now it cant. So it's broken mmk?
Ewar ships tank like a wet paper bag, and there are plenty more coutners to them than nanos had.
I have a mate who has a Cerb which can tank a ****ing DOOMSDAY DEVICE, POINT, AND DOES DPS COMPERABLE TO MY THORAX. That ship is ****ing nuts. If you don't use bombs after this missile nerf, your a ******. The bomber was NOT designed to one-pop frigs. It was built as an ANTI FLEET nullsec blob killer, and if fails at that since no one USES THE DAMN BOMBS.
Ewar may tank like a wet paper bag, but it is STILL the only VIABLE form of combat Ewar. Damps come CLOSE, but really have no place in anything but the occasional gank, and only then by a skilled and knowledgeable Arazu pilot. Your whine about Caldari being overpowered is just plain dumb, and captain Picard facepalms for you.
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Taius Pax
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Dragmire I don't understand the whining.
I saw the numbers that had changed for the cruise missiles and was worried. My explosion velocity and radius were both nerfed, and I was worried that I wouldn't be able to do **** against mission rats.
Then I actually logged on and TRIED it... and I was surprisingly still able to run missions just as quickly as I did before in my Raven.
Now... I'm not running these missions using crappy skills at level 1 for the raven. Most are at level 4 for the missile and missile support skills. This no doubt helps.
Also, I field a flight of mediums AND a flight of light drones for dealing with frigates. The only major change I noticed is my medium drones have a lot more trouble hitting frigates. Ok fine, that's what lights are for.
The other change I noticed is I cannot one-volley destroyers anymore. Ok, fair enough, it was fun while it lasted, but I can take them out with 2 volleys or have my drones **** them.
Frigs are a pain to kill with missiles now. Oh no? They're hard to kill with guns too... light drones ftw.
Cruisers take me maybe 1, maybe 2 more volleys than normal to kill. No biggy, just more missiles I have to use. Certainly not the "doom and gloom" everyone is spewing.
Battleships? No change. I **** them the same as I did before.
Don't know what everyone is complaining about tbh. I even tried it with my room-mates torp raven and the damage #s seemed about the same (a little nerfed for cruisers and below but still viable).
Bull****.
Cruisers take nearly twice the missiles as before, and light drones cannot effectively kill them. (Certainly not in Blockade or Assault). Light drones will take out frigs just fine as before.
My post is based on actual usage on QR Tranquility. My missile skills are all IV or V. Caldari BS V. There is definitely an average 20-30% damage reduction against mission BS.
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Hul'ka
Minmatar MicroFunks
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Darkie82 In fact this velocity explosion nerf isn't understandable... perhaps CCP should have deleted all mmissiles/launchers items instead, it would be a more clear message to launcher users than nerfing them like hell.
sure it's understandable. After they slowed down every ship out there missiles ware doing too much damage to them, so they needed to nerf them too. They had to do at least something so Raven wouldn't become The Ship. But like nanonerf, they overnerfed missiles too. It's related. --------- phew phew
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Taius Pax
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy I'm not saying 'its not so bad of a nerf', 'i can accept the compromise of the changes', 'i will adapt' i'm saying "I DONT EVEN NOTICE A DIFFERENCE"
Then you were a pretty poor Raven pilot and you were slow in the first place...
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Taius Pax
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy Did another, dropped my AB i fit for convenience and fit a painter just for the hell of it and even faster. Unless they did a rollback (lol), i think ppl should complain less and try patch first.
Sorry, I missed this before. You are definitely not a good Raven pilot (or one at all) if you stuck an AB on it for missions in the first place. You need all the mids for the shield tank.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: HankMurphy on 12/11/2008 15:49:40
Originally by: Taius Pax
Originally by: HankMurphy I'm not saying 'its not so bad of a nerf', 'i can accept the compromise of the changes', 'i will adapt' i'm saying "I DONT EVEN NOTICE A DIFFERENCE"
Then you were a pretty poor Raven pilot and you were slow in the first place...
keep telling yourself that.
Originally by: Taius Pax
Sorry, I missed this before. You are definitely not a good Raven pilot (or one at all) if you stuck an AB on it for missions in the first place. You need all the mids for the shield tank.
OR... i'm not **** stupid and do just fine with a 5 slot tank ------------------------------ everybody be cool this is a threadjack! just lay face down on the ground and no one will get hurt! |
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Feriluce
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:49:00 -
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Let me say this again for emphasis.
My LIGHT MISSILES does about 2/3 dmg to a frig moving WITHOUT AB OR SPEEDMODS.
I dont get how this huge nerf was waranted.
I can now also permatank 2 950k BS's in my caracal with a single T1 Shield extender on. Their torps do 25 dmg to while moving at 500 m/s.
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Dravius Luxor
Minmatar Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Dravius Luxor on 12/11/2008 15:51:30
Originally by: Drunken Fury First, READ PATCH NOTES.
Second. Train webbers. Third. Train target painters. Fourth. Switch to light drones.
I do love it when people save me the trouble of thinking what to write.
EDIT: It has just occurred to me after reading the entire thread that this is in fact a great boost for some of my favourite ships... ie: small ships... woohoo!
Now AF's have a purpose!
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Haakelen
Gallente Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Haakelen on 12/11/2008 15:56:37
Originally by: HankMurphy Edited by: HankMurphy on 12/11/2008 15:49:40
Originally by: Taius Pax
Originally by: HankMurphy I'm not saying 'its not so bad of a nerf', 'i can accept the compromise of the changes', 'i will adapt' i'm saying "I DONT EVEN NOTICE A DIFFERENCE"
Then you were a pretty poor Raven pilot and you were slow in the first place...
keep telling yourself that.
Originally by: Taius Pax
Sorry, I missed this before. You are definitely not a good Raven pilot (or one at all) if you stuck an AB on it for missions in the first place. You need all the mids for the shield tank.
OR... i'm not **** stupid and do just fine with a 5 slot tank
Quoting this to confirm HankMurphy's assertion that Cruise Ravens still work fine in missions for people who aren't farmers.
e: vv L4s aren't nerfed at all, don't kid yourself
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Taius Pax I picked up Blockade lvl 4, and I've been shooting non stop for 30 minutes and I'm barely through the first spawn. 7X CN Launchers with 3X CN BCU. What kind of bull**** is this?
Carebears whined about nano.
So nano was nerfed.
We whined about how you can make so much ISK via lvl-4's.
Carebears were nerfed.
Tit-for-tat.
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Blastil
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Donkee Punch
This has now been made much more difficult for them, Missiles were never the PvP WTFPWNOMGBBQSAUCE weapon anyway, yet with the abuse of nanosetups (rightfully complained about by PvP'rs I might add) the ability to reach "Ludicrous Speed" was addressed. Sadly this has also had the effect of further limiting Missiles usefullness.
Missles may not always have been WTFPWNOMGBBQSAUCE, but shall I point out that the only weapon that ever HAS been were Pulse lasers a long long time ago, in a galaxy far far away. While missiles aren't the best at DPS, or at taking down big targets, the have ALWAYS been the most flexible weapon. A torp raven could pop frigate sized ships, while a Blaster Mega couldn't hit a barn flying that close and fast. Pre patch, a caldari ship of any kind could engage any other ship of any size and successfully kill it, regardless. In truth, Caldari ships ENCOURAGE the Blobbing BS gangs in 0.0 and lowsec, because its stupid for you to have a swarm of smaller ships. The drake you ran across will just switch over to faction F.O.F's and smoke the **** out of your small ships. However, you CAN gank minmatar amarr and galente ships in smaller ships thanks to blaster tracking.
This nerf adressed a serious problem with Caldari, in that their ships, while not WTFPWNAGE ships, they were FAR to flexible. With this change, we might see more mixed fleets. Caldari still have serious advantages in certain combat aspects, including F.O.F's, EWAR, the best shield tanks in the game, and moderate DPS combined with the largest selection of different ammo's. Do Galente get 40 different flavors of ammo, designed to deliver a specific kind of damage? No, the get two, and it's Iron or Antimater. You STILL have a viable race.
As for carebears, its not like your profession doesn't exist, which is better than we could say for the interceptor pilot, or the Assault frig Pilot.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente War is Bliss
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Edited by: Vikarion on 12/11/2008 04:59:34
Originally by: Aeo IV And again, I don't care, all I know is somehow between Nanos broken, and Nanos fixed, someone broke my Raven. And my Abaddon. And my SB. And probably a good host of other things I haven't realized.
This. THISTHISTHISTHISTHIS.
Why should everything I enjoy flying be penalized because I didn't pay much attention to what other players were politicking about? Oh, right, because CCP uses a sledgehammer to swat gnats.
CCP needs a Terry Tate IMO
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Taram Caldar
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 12/11/2008 16:06:40
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Demonic Sentiment so they nerfed torps to hell idk how long ago.. i wasnt playing... im getting to my 1 yr playing.. and what do they do... completely destroy my missiles : /.. btw wont drones be overpowered now becuase they can switch out at any time.. thats like switching between standar missiles, heavy missiles, and cruises w/o having to dock
You have always been able to have several sizes of drones in your hold at once, its just that many ships that arnt drone boats only have enough room for 5 med drones.
Adapt.. I swear raven pilots **** me off when they post this crap 75m3 drone bay Carry 5 lights and 5 meds, train for T2 drones and use them. Fit 1 target painter Problem fkn solved.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Donkee Punch Interesting... the amount of carebear bashing in this thread. Lest we forget children.. CAREBEARS make up a HUGE component of Eve. Their subscriptions form a substantial part of CCP revenue stream.
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Meaning what? That they should never have to do a bit of adapting and surviving? That PvPers ú & $ should be discounted because we have nowhere else to go, whereas carebears will ditch EvE if the sugar-teat is cut off... or just reduced to a mere perky C-cup?
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Ticondrius
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:24:00 -
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ZOMG! Missiles are now a secondary weapon like all the other secondary weapons! OH NOEZ! I need to train turret skillz lyke everyone else! OMGZ!
It's pretty simple and has been said since the first missile nerf in the depths of time: The Caldari primary weapon is NOT missiles. It is Railguns.
To say otherwise is like saying the primary Gallente weapons are drones, where our real main weapon are blasters, and to a lesser extent, missiles/railguns.
So, go train up gunnery skills and learn about guns. They work about as well as missiles do now, but have better ship bonuses available IMO. Just see the Rokh. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- RABBLE! RABBLERABBLE!! MMORPG: Many Men Online Role Playing Girls |
Marlorn Aeon
Caldari Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.11.12 16:42:00 -
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This thread makes me laugh. Careful what you wish for carebears!
Next up! NERF L4 mission!
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