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Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:56:00 - [181] Originally by: Nameless Soldier To paraphrase from a middling movie: "After the first half hour if you haven't spotted the sucker, then YOU are the sucker." If you didn't know how to counter, deal with and/or kill nanos before this patch then guess what, you weren't a real PvPer anyways. Sup sucker? could you use that quote in another post again. i think it really helps get your point across. you could just put it in there as your sig and avoid having to type any reply at all. i'm not sure what the point is your trying to get across. a pvper isn't a pvper if he is dumb, but is actually a pve'er by default? thats kinda how i read that first response. the second response is equally as fail. he suggests just because someone is really fast they aren't a good pvper. you say if they cant counter a fast ship they are fail. you guys are each discussing separate things. i think if you want to be accurate, just say there are 2 elements #1 - dumb pvpers cried and got teh nano nerf done #2 - ccp saw an oppurtunity to nerf 90% of missioners / increase grind in the same swing i dont think there is really much of a correlation between pve'ers and the nanonerf. i also think your poasting is terrible and poorly thought out
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:57:00 - [182] Originally by: Cpt Branko Get a clue. The missile damage formula has been found and posted (and yes, you need to web targets to do full DPS, but target painting also works depending on target size as large sig now counteracts targets outrunning explosion velocity). You just haven't been paying attention and were going 'lol, nano whiners' when people said 'SISI sucks'. Well, enjoy. Have fun with it now. LOL so true... :))) SKUNK Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:58:00 - [183] Edited by: Vikarion on 12/11/2008 04:59:34 Originally by: Aeo IV And again, I don't care, all I know is somehow between Nanos broken, and Nanos fixed, someone broke my Raven. And my Abaddon. And my SB. And probably a good host of other things I haven't realized. This. THISTHISTHISTHISTHIS. Why should everything I enjoy flying be penalized because I didn't pay much attention to what other players were politicking about? Oh, right, because CCP uses a sledgehammer to swat gnats.
Khamal Jolstien Caldari Product Number 3	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:00:00 - [184] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Cpt Branko Get a clue. The missile damage formula has been found and posted (and yes, you need to web targets to do full DPS, but target painting also works depending on target size as large sig now counteracts targets outrunning explosion velocity). You just haven't been paying attention and were going 'lol, nano whiners' when people said 'SISI sucks'. Well, enjoy. Have fun with it now. LOL so true... :))) SKUNK Yes. It's also true that players feel they shouldnt pay for the right to do QA's job on SiSi just so they'll have a working game. QA should have done their job, balancing should have done their job. They failed.
Nameless Soldier	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:00:00 - [185] Cry more please. Delicious tears.
Szent AdamKiraly Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:00:00 - [186] Flying nanoes was actually rather hard and required a modi****of skill at times when coupled with lag. Just sayin.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:02:00 - [187] Originally by: Khamal Jolstien Yes. It's also true that players feel they shouldnt pay for the right to do QA's job on SiSi just so they'll have a working game. QA should have done their job, balancing should have done their job. They failed. Come to think of it, they seem to fail a rather large percentage of the time. See, here I understood the Nano-nerf to be a mild scaling-down of MWD speeds and snake bonuses. Somehow that morphed into a draconian campaign against all speed mods, battleship tracking, drones, and missiles. I think I can be forgiven for being unpleasantly surprised.
Anig Browl Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:02:00 - [188] Originally by: Miss Marketing So carebears was nerfing speed ships worth you ability to make money easily? It's not that bad...(level 4s in a Raven with t1 weapons)...somewhat slower, maybe 10%? Salvaging was sorta tedious since the Raven now flies about 120m/s rather than 140m/s. DPS hit wasn't as bad as I expected really, though I definitely needed to use more ammo. Not that I was complaining about speed/dps ratios to begin with. It does make me want to bring along someone to help out more often though.
GO MaZ The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:03:00 - [189] Originally by: Szent AdamKiraly Flying nanoes was actually rather hard and required a modi**of skill at times when coupled with lag. Just sayin. Stupid bob, nano*s are all noskill pvpers who fit their ships to do one thing, run away when they get shot at ---
Anig Browl Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:03:00 - [190] Originally by: Demonic Sentiment lol i like it... but how are cruise missiles hitting cruisers now.. am i not gonna see the single volley cruisers anymore : ( Noticeably slower, but not crushingly so.
Khamal Jolstien Caldari Product Number 3	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:04:00 - [191] Originally by: Anig Browl Originally by: Demonic Sentiment lol i like it... but how are cruise missiles hitting cruisers now.. am i not gonna see the single volley cruisers anymore : ( Noticeably slower, but not crushingly so. A bit more than noticeably friend.
Mihali	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:05:00 - [192] Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Szent AdamKiraly Flying nanoes was actually rather hard and required a modi**of skill at times when coupled with lag. Just sayin. Stupid PL, nano*s are all noskill pvpers who fit their ships to do one thing, run away when they get shot at Fixed for ya
Szent AdamKiraly Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:05:00 - [193] Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Szent AdamKiraly Flying nanoes was actually rather hard and required a modi**of skill at times when coupled with lag. Just sayin. Stupid bob, nano*s are all noskill pvpers who fit their ships to do one thing, run away when they get shot at Fuk Maz of course, please beat me for ever suggesting such a thing
GO MaZ The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:07:00 - [194] Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: Khamal Jolstien Yes. It's also true that players feel they shouldnt pay for the right to do QA's job on SiSi just so they'll have a working game. QA should have done their job, balancing should have done their job. They failed. Come to think of it, they seem to fail a rather large percentage of the time. See, here I understood the Nano-nerf to be a mild scaling-down of MWD speeds and snake bonuses. Somehow that morphed into a draconian campaign against all speed mods, battleship tracking, drones, and missiles. I think I can be forgiven for being unpleasantly surprised. It wasn't a nano nerf, it was a speed re-adjustment, and along with that comes changes to everything affected by speed changes which INCLUDES missile damage and gun / drone tracking. I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised by CCP this time, viva la Quantum Rise! ---
Corwain Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:07:00 - [195] Corwain reporting in! Everything seems to be working adequately. Perhaps a few more missiles need to be slung towards cruiser hulls and time to kill a frigate with battleship class missiles went from "forever" to "infinity" but drones seem to still be a flash with good done skills (and I've got like 10mil sp in drones, so...no problems there!) I'm almost done with Silence the Informant lvl4 now. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Anig Browl Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:08:00 - [196] Originally by: Megan Maynard No I understand, the caldari, in their most primeval form must whine in order to sustain their "lifeforce". With out a way to get rid of their inner whine they will die a slow painful death. Well it stops us falling victim to the Jove disease. If the Jove had had online forums they'd still be a power to be reckoned with. Really, I don't mind too much, it's not as bad as I thought it would be. Does make me want to improve my weak gunnery skills and fly a Rokh more often than just the Raven.
Dracborne H A V O C Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:20:00 - [197] I just finished up a Level 4 Guristas Extravaganza with an alt in about 5-10mins longer than normal. Once I started using light drones on the frigs instead of mediums the pace picked up. Mediums really do chew through cruiser/battlecruiser sized npc's but the lights are now needed on the frigs. I run these missions in a T2 raven, no faction, nothing fancy. The only thing I did notice is that I used all 3k of the wrath cruise missiles i brought along. First time going home with empty launchers after an Extravaganza. The minmatar ships I fly for pvp on the other got the royal shaft....guess it's time to train Amarr. -----------------------------------
Haakelen Gallente Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:31:00 - [198] Originally by: Dracborne I just finished up a Level 4 Guristas Extravaganza with an alt in about 5-10mins longer than normal. Once I started using light drones on the frigs instead of mediums the pace picked up. Mediums really do chew through cruiser/battlecruiser sized npc's but the lights are now needed on the frigs. I run these missions in a T2 raven, no faction, nothing fancy. The only thing I did notice is that I used all 3k of the wrath cruise missiles i brought along. First time going home with empty launchers after an Extravaganza. The minmatar ships I fly for pvp on the other got the royal shaft....guess it's time to train Amarr. This. Having no problems with my Raven or CNR here, methinks people are overreacting.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:37:00 - [199] I saw this before in reply to my last statement, Quote: My Golem is hitting a frig for 30 dmg and that is with max cruise skils and 5 hardwire 5% missile implants and faction missiles and the frig is armor rapping faster then i can shoot in my Golem i cant hit **** . We need a fix lol You shoot at frigates? God gave you drones for a reason. If not being able to swat frigates is your concern, remember your raven has a drone bay for a reason. Cruise missiles are anti cruiser, and they still seem to be. And torps are stil king of knocking BS down. Disclaimer for this is I've always fitted a target painter. It's your missile's best friend. If you don't fit one, it's like going out without tracking computers on a turret boat. Improve Market Competition!
Pesky LaRue Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:42:00 - [200] Originally by: Haakelen Originally by: Dracborne I just finished up a Level 4 Guristas Extravaganza with an alt in about 5-10mins longer than normal. Once I started using light drones on the frigs instead of mediums the pace picked up. Mediums really do chew through cruiser/battlecruiser sized npc's but the lights are now needed on the frigs. I run these missions in a T2 raven, no faction, nothing fancy. The only thing I did notice is that I used all 3k of the wrath cruise missiles i brought along. First time going home with empty launchers after an Extravaganza. The minmatar ships I fly for pvp on the other got the royal shaft....guess it's time to train Amarr. This. Having no problems with my Raven or CNR here, methinks people are overreacting. gamers? overreacting? on the EVE forums? man, anyone would think it was a patch day or something ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++
Blastil	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:44:00 - [201] CCP has finally done it right! Now Caldari are on par with the rest of us when it comes to PVP, and PVE. hey, atleast you still have the ONLY VIABLE FORM OF COMBAT EWAR. oh and lets not forget RIDICULOUS TANKS. the ability to perma run PVP setups is just plain offensive. To the Stealth bombers. You know, the subtle DROP IN BOMB PRICES, + the LACK OF USE A CRUISE MISSLE BOMBER DOES, kind of HINTS at SOMETHING, If you get my drift. COUGH USE BOMBS COUGH, COUGH
Khamal Jolstien Caldari Product Number 3	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:51:00 - [202] Originally by: Blastil CCP has finally done it right! Now Caldari are on par with the rest of us when it comes to PVP, and PVE. hey, atleast you still have the ONLY VIABLE FORM OF COMBAT EWAR. oh and lets not forget RIDICULOUS TANKS. the ability to perma run PVP setups is just plain offensive. To the Stealth bombers. You know, the subtle DROP IN BOMB PRICES, + the LACK OF USE A CRUISE MISSLE BOMBER DOES, kind of HINTS at SOMETHING, If you get my drift. COUGH USE BOMBS COUGH, COUGH Quoting for ignorance. Ridic tanks were only achieved by sacrificing everything else. Bombs still won't be used most likely. The bombers purpose outside of bombs was to kill small targets, now it cant. So it's broken mmk? Ewar ships tank like a wet paper bag, and there are plenty more coutners to them than nanos had.
Aeo IV Amarr Xomic OmniCorporation	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:53:00 - [203] Originally by: Blastil CCP has finally done it right! Now Caldari are on par with the rest of us when it comes to PVP, and PVE. hey, atleast you still have the ONLY VIABLE FORM OF COMBAT EWAR. oh and lets not forget RIDICULOUS TANKS. the ability to perma run PVP setups is just plain offensive. To the Stealth bombers. You know, the subtle DROP IN BOMB PRICES, + the LACK OF USE A CRUISE MISSLE BOMBER DOES, kind of HINTS at SOMETHING, If you get my drift. COUGH USE BOMBS COUGH, COUGH You can't use bombs outside of nullsec. So... No.
Lethos Aranis THE BLACK RAGE FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:53:00 - [204] Edited by: Lethos Aranis on 12/11/2008 05:53:19 Interesting discussion (apart from the trolls ) Using TPs is a good idea, but there is one inherent flaw. Their range. Even at max skills their range isn't that amazing. Sure 100km might be good for some of you but not at times when you need to hit someone from far away. To be honest, I can't comment too much until I've tested it myself and all this crap has died down a bit. Then we'll get some nice feedback.
Terry Daktyl	Posted - 2008.11.12 05:53:00 - [205] I only bought a Raven last week, my patch is still applying, but if CCP have messed up my missiles, I'm gonna come back here and do some serious whining.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.11.12 06:01:00 - [206] Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 12/11/2008 06:05:12 Originally by: Taius Pax Edited by: Taius Pax on 12/11/2008 04:25:54 Originally by: Pedro Snachez I fly a Kronos with pretty much maxed out gunnery and I needed to fit 2 Shadow Serp tracking comps and a domination web to be able to hit cruisers and frigs orbiting me. Let me just say that the whines about your max-dps Ravens/Golems having issues killing smaller ships warms me inside. Welcome to how the rest of the mission-running world does things. And by does things, I mean "uses their brains". 1. Use drones. 2. Use Target painters. 3. Go a little lighter on the unnecessary perma-run booster setups. 4. Profit. Sorry you can't do missions on braindead afk mode anymore. 1. Use drones. Check! 2. Use Target painters. OH CRAP, RAVENS SHIELD TANK AND KIND OF NEED THAT MID SLOT 3. Go a little lighter on the unnecessary perma-run booster setups. - OK Pedro, you just lost your cred. It's nearly impossible to perma tank an active shield set up and have it do any kind of damage. I've never known anyone who uses a perma tank Raven to mission. Dual Pithi B-Type small sb's with 4 damage mods. Large t2 sb with 2-3 faction damage mods and hardwirings might be possible too. You were saying what ? Also, CCP nerfed the solo bs, you thought you would get away mission runners ? --- I smack just for myself. [orange]Your signature is too large. Please resi
Anig Browl Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.12 06:10:00 - [207] Originally by: Malcanis How will reducing riskless income raise prices? Mission runners produce ISK, not goods and materials. Not so. Besides minerals or small items (depending on whether you melt or sell), a lot of named modules come from missions, and they are certainly the best source for salvage. I make part of my income by building rigs and accumulating the necessary salvage from ratting, plexes or PvP would take forever. I don't keep careful track of the amounts, but probably every 7 or 8 missions I run provides enough for me to manufacture a couple of rigs and a cruiser for later sale. So I'd say it's quite likely you'll see the cost of salvage items and thus rigs rise somewhat, as well as certain named items.
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.12 06:12:00 - [208] Originally by: Anig Browl Originally by: Malcanis How will reducing riskless income raise prices? Mission runners produce ISK, not goods and materials. Not so. Besides minerals or small items (depending on whether you melt or sell), a lot of named modules come from missions, and they are certainly the best source for salvage. I make part of my income by building rigs and accumulating the necessary salvage from ratting, plexes or PvP would take forever. I don't keep careful track of the amounts, but probably every 7 or 8 missions I run provides enough for me to manufacture a couple of rigs and a cruiser for later sale. So I'd say it's quite likely you'll see the cost of salvage items and thus rigs rise somewhat, as well as certain named items. OK I'll rephrase: missioning produces far more ISK than the ISK value of items produced by missioning.
Minsc Gallente A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.12 06:47:00 - [209] Originally by: Anig Browl Originally by: Malcanis How will reducing riskless income raise prices? Mission runners produce ISK, not goods and materials. Not so. Besides minerals or small items (depending on whether you melt or sell), a lot of named modules come from missions, and they are certainly the best source for salvage. I make part of my income by building rigs and accumulating the necessary salvage from ratting, plexes or PvP would take forever. I don't keep careful track of the amounts, but probably every 7 or 8 missions I run provides enough for me to manufacture a couple of rigs and a cruiser for later sale. So I'd say it's quite likely you'll see the cost of salvage items and thus rigs rise somewhat, as well as certain named items. The salvage you get from a level 4 mission is a fraction of what you'd get from ratting in low-sec or 0.0 in the same amount of time. Originally by: Sharkbait please for the love of god read the dam stickies
Khamal Jolstien Caldari Product Number 3	Posted - 2008.11.12 06:48:00 - [210] Originally by: Muad' Dib Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 12/11/2008 06:05:12 Also, CCP nerfed the solo bs, you thought you would get away mission runners ? Not all caldari are mission running carebears. Much more than mission runners are hurt from the patch.

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