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Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:08:00 - [451] ADAPT OR DIE SKUNK Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:11:00 - [452] Originally by: Austex II Our corp did a test yesterday after the release and the results were hilarious. A Raven verses a Frigate between two players in a corp. With the frigate using an AB, and using the four different types of Heavy Cruise Missles, I had a damage range between 4.5 and 9.3. I unloaded 6 cruise missles at the same time, and I barely dented the frigate's shield. This was also without the use of hardeners. The only way for my BS to take out the frigate was to use drones. I can understand the difference in size and the need to help new players entering the game, but the numbers are unjustifiable. In lvl 3 and lvl 4 solo missions, with frigates, again it was next to impossible to destroy them without the use of drones. I suppose one could re-look at the ship configuration, but if you end up needing 2 small to medium size missle launchers out of say 6 high slots, the remaining 4 slots are going to have a hell of a time taking out a 1M bounty NPC. My two cents worth, change is fine, but this is completely over the top. After this, I am seriously considering my subscription. idk if im queit ready to stop playing.. but missiles need to be looked at lol.. that is insanely bad...
ArmyOfMe 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:13:00 - [453] Originally by: Thuia Originally by: Crackzilla Originally by: Thuia Today i was unable to make a lvl 4 mission with my friend... 2 days ago i have no problem to do it alone... The game should be funny... if nothing changes it will be not funny for me... Yet, isn't it more entertaining when something is difficult? This isn't a nerf...this is a boost to fun! Tell you what, how about CCP puts missiles back as they were, only if they give ncps 10x the hp and 2x the dps. If you want difficult you can take only one missle luncher and go for mission if you want... or take missles that NPCs resist more... if you want difficult you can make the mission as hard as you want... I dont like PVP. I boring with mining. I dont have skills to production. I just want to earm my ISK on missions like 2 days ago... to bad, so sad. dont let the door hit you on your way out Originally by: deadmaus Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything
Renee Alexis Luminous Love Brewery	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:20:00 - [454] Originally by: Taius Pax I picked up Blockade lvl 4, and I've been shooting non stop for 30 minutes and I'm barely through the first spawn. 7X CN Launchers with 3X CN BCU. What kind of bull**** is this? They changed your missiles into NerfTM projectiles! Unfortunately they forgot the neon colors and plastic surfaces. You might want to bug that. Don't worry, this is "working as intended"! _____________________________________
Karentaki Gallente Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:21:00 - [455] LOL! This wasn't quite the nerf I was hoping for with L4 missions, but it will do. This is finally proof that CCP don't all have Caldari mission alts. At least it will seriously damage the ISK farmers who all have low-SP achura chars running missions 24/7 in navy ravens since they will now need to sell off all their now crap navy ravens and train some other race (probably amarr). WTB cheap navy ravens! Quote: EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
Mrs Storekeeper	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:22:00 - [456] Originally by: Voltas Stormtide I've not spent much time logged in since QR was deployed yesterday so can't comment on the missile thing - but would the people who are frustrated with the issue please outline /exactly/ what missile skills and total missile SP is? We all knew for that in the past the raven was an excellent ship as you could achieve great things with only a few hundred thousand SP in missiles. This is unlike 90% of the other BS where you need significant SP in guns and/or dones to compete. Please don't flame me, as I said I haven't tried the "new" missiles, however do you think this puts the raven more in line with other BS and we may see more variety now in the ships out missioning? And FYI: HACs have always outperformed BS for belt ratting. To answer your question and also counter some of the whiners in this and many other threads. If you train a character properly for the ship you want to fly, it works better. Before the patch 5M sp pilot could fly a raven and be more effective against NPC's then a 20M sp pilot focused on another race BS. Now you need more skills but if you have them, it's still very good. This is what I have on my missionrunner alt: Caldari BS 5 All Missile support skills 5 Cruise Missile Spec 4 Torp Spec 5 9M SP in engineering skills Missile Hardwiring implants PvE Using T2 fit Cruise Raven for ratting and missions and it works just fine. Some NPC's may need an extra volley to kill but no larger difference then that. 75m3 drone bay = 5 light and 5 med drones to handle frigs and sometimes destroyers or cruisers. PvP My T2 fit Torp Raven does massive damage and still has a decent tank. Just don't expect it to be a solo ship for PvP. This is a multiplayer game, team up with some friends.
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:24:00 - [457] Originally by: Mrs Storekeeper Originally by: Voltas Stormtide I've not spent much time logged in since QR was deployed yesterday so can't comment on the missile thing - but would the people who are frustrated with the issue please outline /exactly/ what missile skills and total missile SP is? We all knew for that in the past the raven was an excellent ship as you could achieve great things with only a few hundred thousand SP in missiles. This is unlike 90% of the other BS where you need significant SP in guns and/or dones to compete. Please don't flame me, as I said I haven't tried the "new" missiles, however do you think this puts the raven more in line with other BS and we may see more variety now in the ships out missioning? And FYI: HACs have always outperformed BS for belt ratting. To answer your question and also counter some of the whiners in this and many other threads. If you train a character properly for the ship you want to fly, it works better. Before the patch 5M sp pilot could fly a raven and be more effective against NPC's then a 20M sp pilot focused on another race BS. Now you need more skills but if you have them, it's still very good. This is what I have on my missionrunner alt: Caldari BS 5 All Missile support skills 5 Cruise Missile Spec 4 Torp Spec 5 9M SP in engineering skills Missile Hardwiring implants PvE Using T2 fit Cruise Raven for ratting and missions and it works just fine. Some NPC's may need an extra volley to kill but no larger difference then that. 75m3 drone bay = 5 light and 5 med drones to handle frigs and sometimes destroyers or cruisers. PvP My T2 fit Torp Raven does massive damage and still has a decent tank. Just don't expect it to be a solo ship for PvP. This is a multiplayer game, team up with some friends. any pointers for a pvp cerb setup?
Renee Alexis Luminous Love Brewery	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:26:00 - [458] Originally by: Mrs Storekeeper This is a multiplayer game, team up with some friends. Damnit, and all this time I thought I was playing EVE-Offline. _____________________________________
Mr Ignitious R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:36:00 - [459] Originally by: Renee Alexis Originally by: Mrs Storekeeper This is a multiplayer game, team up with some friends. Damnit, and all this time I thought I was playing EVE-Offline. i like your sig. Oh and: OMG funny how missiles now have a hard time hitting smaller ships LIKE EVERY OTHER LARGE WEAPON. crazy. And as for people saying domi becoming mission king: for all of you not aware a domi takes quite some time to do missions as drone travel time is extremely obnoxious. The only reason it was ever revered in PvE is because it can tank... everything. I must admit there are some interesting dps fits for the domi that count on sentries, but i'm not sharing them cuz you raven pilots were so mean to my isthar (which can also run lvl 4 missions )
Tsotha lanti	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:42:00 - [460] Edited by: Tsotha lanti on 13/11/2008 00:42:51 This is a PVE response: I don't usually like to respond to these cry fests but this is getting old. I personally fly both caldari and amarr as well as gallente and minmatar battleships in missions. I can tell you straight up that the raven was way too easy/carebear; No-other race was able to sit their and lay waste to frigs and cruisers with their battleship sized weapons. I have for the duration of my missioning career relied on light drones for frigs and medium drones for killing cruisers because turrets did absolutely nothing to them, not even with webs, tracking computers and target painters and maxed out gunnery. Welcome to the world of eve that everybody outside of the carebear raven pilots / isk farmers have been playing. The only other race that comes close to doing level 4's that easy were gallente with heavy drones, but it appears that this has been fixed as well. That is what is called Balance.
Phenomena X Galactic PeaceMaking Talon Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:42:00 - [461] HAHAHAHAAH MAN i can't get enough of this thread! CRY! CRY SOME MORE! Just so you know, I just made this thread my home page!
Renee Alexis Luminous Love Brewery	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:44:00 - [462] Originally by: Phenomena X HAHAHAHAAH CRY! CRY SOME MORE! points and gawks! Everyone, look! It's the heavy weapons guy! Quick, steal his sandvich!! _____________________________________
Korovyov Luminous Love Brewery	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:46:00 - [463] Originally by: Phenomena X CRY SOME MORE! Boink! --=--=-- train exhumers to 5 --=--=-- i see what you did here
Lady Aja Caldari Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.11.13 01:06:00 - [464] Originally by: Marlorn Aeon This thread makes me laugh. Careful what you wish for carebears! Next up! NERF L4 mission! WHEN ccp move lvl 4's to low sec I will be one of the many in lvl 4 channel larfin at them . all they do is complain how bad low sec is yet refuse to go near it. incase they loose thier full set of HG crystal imps and +5 implants. not to mention uber faction fitted noob ships. in the mean time. carry on quiting you tards.... it'll ease up the lag in hi sec with you all leaving with youre upteen accounts. Many kudos to Foulque for my sig..
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.13 01:12:00 - [465] Originally by: Tsotha lanti Edited by: Tsotha lanti on 13/11/2008 00:42:51 This is a PVE response: I don't usually like to respond to these cry fests but this is getting old. I personally fly both caldari and amarr as well as gallente and minmatar battleships in missions. I can tell you straight up that the raven was way too easy/carebear; No-other race was able to sit their and lay waste to frigs and cruisers with their battleship sized weapons. I have for the duration of my missioning career relied on light drones for frigs and medium drones for killing cruisers because turrets did absolutely nothing to them, not even with webs, tracking computers and target painters and maxed out gunnery. Welcome to the world of eve that everybody outside of the carebear raven pilots / isk farmers have been playing. The only other race that comes close to doing level 4's that easy were gallente with heavy drones, but it appears that this has been fixed as well. That is what is called Balance. So you are saying that a tach nightmare was unable to instapop cruisers at range?
Tsotha lanti	Posted - 2008.11.13 01:16:00 - [466] oh yeah because we are all comparing a billion isk ship to everything else....
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.13 01:27:00 - [467] My Idea a way to help missiles w/o comepletly redoing their stats again
Sylper Illysten Caldari Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace	Posted - 2008.11.13 02:09:00 - [468] Ok, so now that missiles can't hit smaller targets, can we bring their damage inline with guns? I mean that was the trade off wasn't it? Now that misisles are restricted to targets of the same size it seems that the dps should be modified to be inline with outher weapons systems.
Demonic Sentiment Caldari Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.11.13 02:16:00 - [469] Originally by: Sylper Illysten Ok, so now that missiles can't hit smaller targets, can we bring their damage inline with guns? I mean that was the trade off wasn't it? Now that misisles are restricted to targets of the same size it seems that the dps should be modified to be inline with outher weapons systems. i like that idea to.. we dont get wrecking shots.. so give us more dmg or something...
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.11.13 02:20:00 - [470] Originally by: Demonic Sentiment My Idea a way to help missiles w/o comepletly redoing their stats again 1)Post a thread about it on the assembly 2)Get thousands of support 3)Be ignored totally by ccp 4)LOL SKUNK Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
Kedrich	Posted - 2008.11.13 02:26:00 - [471] Originally by: Demonic Sentiment any pointers for a pvp cerb setup? If you find one, please share, because Cerb has no drone bay, and with heavies explosion velosity at 125 m/sec (max skills, and i mean ALL skill) it hits for **** even cruisers.
Karl Luckner	Posted - 2008.11.13 02:28:00 - [472] In my opinion they should just take a look at the damage of medium drones vs cruisers, and maybe buff the guided missile precision skill a bit. Or better: add one medium slot and a bit grid/cpu to the Raven battleship family
Kedrich	Posted - 2008.11.13 02:34:00 - [473] OMFG PRECISSION heavy missile 130 m/sec explosion velocity. What kind of frigate I can shoot with such crap? AFK one?
Eragon Endymion Gallente Enterprise Estonia FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.11.13 02:34:00 - [474] Originally by: Sylper Illysten Ok, so now that missiles can't hit smaller targets, can we bring their damage inline with guns? I mean that was the trade off wasn't it? Now that misisles are restricted to targets of the same size it seems that the dps should be modified to be inline with outher weapons systems. NO. the trade off is that your missiles at least always hit while in certain ranges turret uses almost never hit, so what that your missile does less damage than before but don`t come here to whine while actually your missile ship still is better in missioning than many turret ships.
Sylper Illysten Caldari Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace	Posted - 2008.11.13 02:43:00 - [475] Originally by: Eragon Endymion Originally by: Sylper Illysten Ok, so now that missiles can't hit smaller targets, can we bring their damage inline with guns? I mean that was the trade off wasn't it? Now that misisles are restricted to targets of the same size it seems that the dps should be modified to be inline with outher weapons systems. NO. the trade off is that your missiles at least always hit while in certain ranges turret uses almost never hit, so what that your missile does less damage than before but don`t come here to whine while actually your missile ship still is better in missioning than many turret ships. Always hitting for 0 damage is the same as a miss. If the main advantage of missiles has been removed (and even a BS with an AB can reduce incoming cruise missile dps by 50%) then the main disadvantages should be removed, flight time and lower DPS. Even more annoying is that while players are stuck with nerfed missiles and speeds, NPC seem to have retained their original stats, so are now faster and have a higher DPS.
Dracborne H A V O C Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.13 02:44:00 - [476] Edited by: Dracborne on 13/11/2008 02:44:41 Originally by: Demonic Sentiment Originally by: Dracborne I posted on page 7 but I've had more time to run a few more missions with my alt. I've successfully run lvl 4 Angels and Guristas Extravaganza, lvl 4 Blockade, and lvl 4 Enemies Abound (all 5). The only mission I had any trouble with was EA 5/5. It's extremely tough now. The light drones are a must for the frigs. The cruisers take an extra volley or two to kill, and the BS's seem to take an extra 2 1/2 volleys. The biggest difference I've noticed is that I've had to carry an extra 1000 or so missiles into the longer, 4 and 5 pocket missions. As far as pvp goes, we were testing missile's last night against inties and vaga's. My inties were pushing 4.7k and I was actually getting hit with missiles. My vaga was pushing 3.4k and was getting lit up pretty badly by the missiles. what were u shotting at the vaga and intty with? Cerb was shooting us with heavies and precision heavies. The vaga with the MWD on was getting eaten up by both missile types. The inty was getting hit with heavies but not severally. The precisions on the inty did decent damage. -----------------------------------
ramification	Posted - 2008.11.13 03:02:00 - [477] Edited by: ramification on 13/11/2008 03:04:57 Originally by: Chris Liath Now there will be other ships to pvp in, other ships to pve in, and strategy and tactics will actually matter. Not just speed and missile damage. Meh, you're caldari. You wouldn't understand. /thread. I'm so glad I stuck with Minmatar. It was always obvious that we'd been properly designed as a race, but let down by general problems with the game mechanics that made our fighting style non-viable except for the most extreme nano builds. Not any more, perhaps (crosses fingers)
Tsotha lanti	Posted - 2008.11.13 07:01:00 - [478] Originally by: Sylper Illysten Ok, so now that missiles can't hit smaller targets, can we bring their damage inline with guns? I mean that was the trade off wasn't it? Now that misisles are restricted to targets of the same size it seems that the dps should be modified to be inline with outher weapons systems. Apparently you don't realize how often turrets miss completely and land minimal damage hits. Just because eft tells you a turreted ship can deal out 1000dps doesnt mean it is going to. In fact, it wont. With maxed out gunnery in an abaddon the majority of my hits are glancing hits for far less damage than a missile did prior to the patch if they hit at all which was not as often as you dream. Not to mention the whole drinking down capacitor like you don't even want to know while you are blazing away without counting tanking.
Aieran Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.	Posted - 2008.11.13 07:33:00 - [479] Originally by: Kedrich OMFG PRECISSION heavy missile 130 m/sec explosion velocity. What kind of frigate I can shoot with such crap? AFK one? From what I read heavy missiles are to be used now to take out cruisers, for frigates they say use standard missiles.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.11.13 07:45:00 - [480] Originally by: Aieran Originally by: Kedrich OMFG PRECISSION heavy missile 130 m/sec explosion velocity. What kind of frigate I can shoot with such crap? AFK one? From what I read heavy missiles are to be used now to take out cruisers, for frigates they say use standard missiles. what sig radio do those missles have for damage reduction?

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