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Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.12.12 07:38:00 - [1411] I have several questions to CCP -------------------------------------- Since what time was the exploit used? Which materials exactly were manufatured using the exploit? What amount of moon materials were created out of thin air, and how many moon materials were created legally? What is the maximum amount of high end materials we can produce from high end moons without using alchemy? What is the amount of high end moon materials we currently consume for building t2 stuff? What is the estimated impact on the economy of removing these extra materials? Are the numbers which were the foundation for invention and alchemy clean or do they includ the usage of the materials made by the exploit? Thank you in advance.
Miyamoto Uroki Caldari Katsu Corporation	Posted - 2008.12.12 07:45:00 - [1412] To answer these questions, CCP would need to hire an economist to look over some data... oh wait...
Seth Vorlar	Posted - 2008.12.12 07:48:00 - [1413] MUHAHAHAHAHA This proves once again how the ppl at ccp do their work if they "fail" in the past....pull out the hammer and squeese the sh.. out off the costummer, it seems that this pos "exploid" exist since 2004, SINCE THE INTRODUKTION OF POSSES YOU, ISLANDISH CONEHEADS, AND YOU KNEW IT SINCE THIS (rised middlefinger). And then FOUR YEARS LATER CCP starts to act, ban anf f.... ppl who are tired to petition such rubbish. CCP you should die, and all off your empoyees should search for a knew job... and please NOT in the MMO bussines, maybe you should go fish or so, so we get rid off you!!!! Or maybe you should ask torfi, he will fix this like the ghost trainning exploid, he knows how to kick costummers right I¦m so f¦ed for every euro i gave you I hope a lightning bold strikes you at the toilet. (euch soll der blitz beim schei¯en treffen, auf deutsch klings einfach besser) RIP EVE PS: if you find typos or grammatic mistakes, you can keep them np.
Kaiten Cage	Posted - 2008.12.12 07:54:00 - [1414] They do have an economist :)
Lord Untrustable	Posted - 2008.12.12 07:54:00 - [1415] First of all GJ CCP! We need answers. How long? Who? Was there GM involved in this exploit? Was there RMT involved? The New Eden has been too stable for a long time. Everything always is trying to go to disorder and we try to keep it in order. Atleast Red Alliance lost some players, they were around 1500 members and now around 1300. Too bad that I haven't kept track on the top 20 for a long time. I checked daily how many members those top 20 alliances had back in days. But it's sure that the T2 market has had massive impact of due this. I have always wondered how everything can be so damn cheap. IMHO any alliance wich has been harboring this kind of action must be closed by CCP and their space must be released. Alliance leaders MUST have known what's going on. That ISK has been used to fund endless supply of capital ships. Or RMT. We all demand names of players, corporations and alliances!
Murk Loar Heavenbound	Posted - 2008.12.12 07:54:00 - [1416] Originally by: Seth Vorlar MUHAHAHAHAHA This proves once again how the ppl at ccp do their work if they "fail" in the past....pull out the hammer and squeese the sh.. out off the costummer, it seems that this pos "exploid" exist since 2004, SINCE THE INTRODUKTION OF POSSES YOU, ISLANDISH CONEHEADS, AND YOU KNEW IT SINCE THIS (rised middlefinger). And then FOUR YEARS LATER CCP starts to act, ban anf f.... ppl who are tired to petition such rubbish. CCP you should die, and all off your empoyees should search for a knew job... and please NOT in the MMO bussines, maybe you should go fish or so, so we get rid off you!!!! Or maybe you should ask torfi, he will fix this like the ghost trainning exploid, he knows how to kick costummers right I¦m so f¦ed for every euro i gave you I hope a lightning bold strikes you at the toilet. (euch soll der blitz beim schei¯en treffen, auf deutsch klings einfach besser) RIP EVE PS: if you find typos or grammatic mistakes, you can keep them np. I'm sensing you're angry.
Etho Demerzel Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2008.12.12 07:55:00 - [1417] Originally by: Scoop de'Woop I would really like to perpetuate this cycle of personal attacks and over-aggressiveness by pointing out that you should learn basic English before you start throwing around big words which you aren't using correctly but that would contradict what I said earlier about thinking rationally and calmly. Oh boy, now look what you made me do. Sorry, my friend, but if they are big words for you, you should learn basic English yourself. But by all means, prove how flawed is my knowledge of your language. I would like very much to see the errors noticed by your expert eyes. It will be amusing. And I didn't make you do anything, you did this pathetic unfounded attack against the grammar of my text, because you love ad hominem fallacies, or else you wouldn't. Lets not be hypocritical here. ===== "If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron...
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.12 07:55:00 - [1418] Originally by: C4w3 Ill throw something at you.... the pilot wich made the post back then are same pilot banned today as his corp¦s ..... saga continues. and I'll throw something back at you - so what? You didn't quibble about the possibility of there having been different POS related issues over the years. Why shouldn't someone who was working with POS in 2005 still be working with them in 2008? Why shouldn't someone that has worked with POS for at least three years encounter two bugs? So the first one was clearly something they didn't like. He says his corp suffered. The most recent one turns out to be to his advantage. Nothing significant there. Other than the fact that this player (if it is even the same player and the char hasn't been sold) complains about an exploit when it goes against them then uses an exploit when it's in their favour. Talk about Kangaroo Court! I hope some of you lot are too young to be on a jury. So much outrage and excitement on so little, little information. Let's get real:Some cheat (or idiot if he didn't realise it was wrong) exploits a defect in the game. He then makes a public post saying "Nyah, nyah, I got banned, I've been doing it for four years, aren't I a clever little ***?" ..and you guys believe* him? Deity on a crutch, peeps! This guys cheats. He's been caught and punished. You think he's going to give you a thoughtful and accurate description of events? Sheesh! -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:04:00 - [1419] Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem MY SINGLE QUESTION IS THIS. Why should I keep playing this game, when after 3 years I actually had to work to earn my keep, while others were just allowed to do it the easy way? If you thought a game was work then, yes, why did you pay to 'play' it? When you're all grown up and have learned what work really is then you can complain. Oh but wait. When you've learned what work is you'll also have learned what a game is and you won't care. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:05:00 - [1420] Originally by: Kaaii Originally by: RedSplat Anyone notice how the vast majority of people saying 'stop whining' or being less than critical of CCP conduct are either anonymous alts or BoB aligned? Any one else notice how stupid he is? I thought it was a blank post at first. My automatic 'stupidiousness' filters blanked everything out -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.

Etho Demerzel Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:07:00 - [1421] Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 12/12/2008 08:08:24 Originally by: Andrue (snip) Let's get real:Some cheat (or idiot if he didn't realise it was wrong) exploits a defect in the game. He then makes a public post saying "Nyah, nyah, I got banned, I've been doing it for four years, aren't I a clever little ***?" ..and you guys believe* him? Deity on a crutch, peeps! This guys cheats. He's been caught and punished. You think he's going to give you a thoughtful and accurate description of events? Sheesh! Every single time a disgruntled banned player said something in the past about a huge bug or exploit it ended proved being true. And every single time nay sayers like you, who wouldn't accept evidence even if it was hammered in your face, refused to accept even the possibility of the alleged fact to be true until it was undeniable. As it is CCP gives us no motive to believe otherwise, by denying us the details of what has been done, of who was caught and of what CCP is doing to fix the problem. As long as this is the case, I have considerably more motive to believe in those that present coherent and believable details than those that feel the need to hide them. ===== "If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron...
chumbucket	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:09:00 - [1422] This is extremely dissapointing to see happen to the EVE universe. First alchemy in no way will make up for this. CCP honestly in my opinion can only fix this by the seeding of more high end moons flat out. The market is completly destabialized at this point. The addition of moons is all that will fix this or alchemy needs to be boosted,and in my opinion why save dysprosium for the large powerblocks. Put more rares in low sec for other people to have a chance. Alchemy,reverse engineering(make it finally work)and invention all need boosted! require more minerals in component construction (less of the rare powerblock controlled moon minerals) CCP must make this right and they must do it very fast in order to keep things from lolzor exploding in their face not only in the game itself but in the video game industry. just my 2 ISK. I have worked in the customer service industry for 10 years and the faster you fix the problem the better it will be for CCP themselves in the end. Customer service.....They are paying you time to take risks and put in work guys make the right choices. and can u please UN NERF TORPEDOS IF RATS CAN HIT AT 70km WHY CANT I? PLEASE KEEP THIS THE BEST MMO THERE IS
Mussaschi	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:09:00 - [1423] Edited by: Mussaschi on 12/12/2008 08:14:39 Originally by: Andrue ..and you guys believe him? Deity on a crutch, peeps! This guys cheats. He's been caught and punished. You think he's going to give you a thoughtful and accurate description of events? Sheesh! Just one thing. 1/2 a year ago I was checking whether to setup some moon miners. One thing that surprised me at this point was, that the price of advanced materials, was rather exactly the price of raw materials without any extra fee for the complex process! Couldn't figure out, how people could do that and still make money. Guess I have my answer now. ps. Why didn't ccp state when this bug was introduced. pps. When they introduced alchemy, did none of the ccp guys a check on the market like I did, to find out the right balance for the new reaction? sorry: All indications say, this bug is old. And I would be very very surprised, if ccp didn't knew about it, at least when they planed alchemy (though I would suspect alchemy was a reaction to the bug (hope, to be proven wrong here)).
Scoop de'Woop Emino Concepts	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:13:00 - [1424] Edited by: Scoop de''Woop on 12/12/2008 08:15:34 Originally by: Etho Demerzel You are entitled to have your opinion, no matter how wrong it is. But as soon as you decide to share it in a forum, be prepared to have it repudiated. started a sentence with a conjunction - while this is changing it is still not standard form If you can't bear having your flawed arguments dissected and ridicularized I think I know what you are going for but that isn't a word as far as I know for their inconsistencies, then just abstain yourself from writing abstain yourself isn't proper English. Now if you have anything to say about the subject at hand, please share your priceless ideas. I am quite sure they will be amusing. fragment Saying something like "you made me do it" is a colloquial phrase that isn't meant to be taken literally. Of course you didn't make me do it because this is an internet forum where physical contact isn't possible. Edit: When I say "big" words, I don't necessarily mean that my vocabulary doesn't use these types of words, I mean that they aren't used by most English speakers. Grammar and vocabulary, while similar, are different in that you can have a large vocabulary and terrible grammar.
Rramar Claime Amarr Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:14:00 - [1425] Edited by: Rramar Claime on 12/12/2008 08:15:54 I think its time someone stands up with the question, how many GMs or devs knew about this problem (edit: and who were they, names, which ingame alliance are they connected to) if it really existed since the pos system is live? What is the infamous internal affairs in CCP doing now, either its true or not. We need open investigations not secrets and lies!!! Who the hell cares about evoke, lucky few who had a good time, if its true they even did good to us. I want to see heads falling in CCP! Not rejecting resignations of guilty devs and just hiding everything under the carpet like in some old communist state! ------- "I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day, when he said; 'Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?' Grandpa said, 'No, but I served in a company of heroes."
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:15:00 - [1426] Originally by: Kaiten Cage They do have an economist :) They didn't four years ago though. We don't even know that they have data going back that far. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Zerconian Caldari Darkwave Technologies Doctrine.	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:15:00 - [1427] Originally by: chumbucket This is extremely dissapointing to see happen to the EVE universe. First alchemy in no way will make up for this. CCP honestly in my opinion can only fix this by the seeding of more high end moons flat out. The market is completly destabialized at this point. The addition of moons is all that will fix this or alchemy needs to be boosted,and in my opinion why save dysprosium for the large powerblocks. Put more rares in low sec for other people to have a chance. Alchemy,reverse engineering(make it finally work)and invention all need boosted! require more minerals in component construction (less of the rare powerblock controlled moon minerals) CCP must make this right and they must do it very fast in order to keep things from lolzor exploding in their face not only in the game itself but in the video game industry. just my 2 ISK. I have worked in the customer service industry for 10 years and the faster you fix the problem the better it will be for CCP themselves in the end. Customer service.....They are paying you time to take risks and put in work guys make the right choices. and can u please UN NERF TORPEDOS IF RATS CAN HIT AT 70km WHY CANT I? PLEASE KEEP THIS THE BEST MMO THERE IS Imo, adding new moons to low-sec won't do much. For a time smaller corporations can horde their profits, but eventually once a larger alliance finds it, it'll quickly be locked down and mined for all its worth.
Maren Maen	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:18:00 - [1428] I was under the impression that CCP had an internal audit department. If they do, they clearly don't know anything about internal auditing. One of the most basic and yet easiest tests to conduct is possibility analyses. E.g., there are x dysprosium moons in existence. each produces y dysprosium per unit time. Max amount of production (and thus entering the market system) is x*y per unit time. Is the actual amount greater than this? Obviously in this case, the answer to that question is yes (the longer answer is considerably so). Tsk tsk, programmers are supposed to be good at this sort of problem solving. Makes one wonder what a real external audit (as in, by real auditors, not an elected CSM council) would reveal. Signed, your friendly internal auditor (yes, I really am :/)
Scoop de'Woop Emino Concepts	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:21:00 - [1429] Originally by: Zerconian Imo, adding new moons to low-sec won't do much. For a time smaller corporations can horde their profits, but eventually once a larger alliance finds it, it'll quickly be locked down and mined for all its worth. And no I can't offer a solution to help counter-balance the current roles, but seeding won't do much for the average EVE-citizen. ^^ this. If CCP were to adjust the alchemy reactions to be a bit more in line with regular reaction prices, we wouldn't have as much of a monopolization issue. The last time I checked (and before everyone went crazy buying up high end materials) the alchemy reactions were about 1/8th as profitable as the regular reactions. That being said, I haven't had a problem obtaining dysprosium or promethium at decent prices so I fail to see what alchemy was supposed to do in the first place.
Valan The Fated	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:22:00 - [1430] Edited by: Valan on 12/12/2008 08:23:53 I didn't agree with naming but I've changed my mind. There are other posts on the net claiming BoB had a post set up for the exploit and then quickly changed it when the cat was out of the bag. KIA have been mentioned also. CCP need to name who they have punished and cleared because if BoB and other golden boy organisations in the circle of jerk (IRC, EVE TV) 'are seen' to get away with anything again CCP won't have a reputation. CCP's integrity matters now you're getting into bed with Atari and other companies. Banning a couple of mates is nothing compared to losing business in the long run. lets face it being jobless in Iceland at the moment isn't a barrell of laughs is it? Ban them from EVE and give them a job ala Stavros lol /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig

SPIONKOP Caldari Warp Core Tech	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:23:00 - [1431] After much consideration I would simply like to know what actions have been taken by CCP if the following items have been purhcased with the stolen ISK. How many Capitals and Super Capitals have been removed by CCP. How many Outposts have been removed or will be removed by CCP. How may real accounts (not the POS Monkey Alts) have been banned. How many and which T2 BPO's have been removed. How many BPO's with a value of over 1 bil been removed. How much ISK have been removed from Players, Corps and Alliance wallets. I am not interested in the small stuff, I am not interested in restitution, jsut a litte transparancy. --------------------------------------------- Space For Rent. 100mil ISK/Week.
kaliskaramon	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:25:00 - [1432] Well put a few in low sec.. But they do need to act quickly. I dont know what they will do but they need to do something.... Hoping alchemy will fix it would be like hoping a flat tire will inflate itself. They have patched the hole time to fill it with something.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:25:00 - [1433] Originally by: chumbucket First alchemy in no way will make up for this. Why not? Please provide the numbers which back up your statement. How many units were built using the exploit? How many units we can build from high end moons? How many units can be built by alchemy? Originally by: chumbucket The market is completly destabialized at this point. Maybe there are some big speculations going on and that's why the market is in uproar? You can earn easily billions if you just spread a rumour at the right time. That's what lots of people are doing. And it is fun Originally by: chumbucket The addition of moons is all that will fix this or alchemy needs to be boosted Can you provide any numbers, please? Originally by: chumbucket Why save dysprosium for the large powerblocks. Put more rares in low sec for other people to have a chance. They will have a chance how? The big guys will just jump in their cap fleet with 100+ capitals and smash any resistance. Why would that be different in low sec? Originally by: chumbucket Alchemy,reverse engineering(make it finally work)and invention all need boosted! Invention costs are a fixed amount of isk. Why would a chance in that help? If you pay 20 mil or 30 mil for inventing a HAC, what does it matter much? The buyer will pay it. Alchemy will work fine. Actually currently we have the right situation to fire it up! In the past alchemy wasn't worth it because the market was flooded with cheap (and cheated) materials, now alchemy can compete - finally!! There is no need to change anything. Originally by: chumbucket CCP must make this right and they must do it very fast Doing things very fast, especially difficult investigations, usually contradicts doing things right. I am 100% confident that CCP is working as hard as they can to get this desaster sorted out. At the weekend there is already a CSM meeting and we will hopefully get more info there. This is the time for the CSM to prove themselves and to see if they are worth the hullabooh they made about the whole CSM stuff.
Pain Redefined	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:28:00 - [1434] Originally by: Seth Vorlar MUHAHAHAHAHA This proves once again how the ppl at ccp do their work if they "fail" in the past....pull out the hammer and squeese the sh.. out off the costummer, it seems that this pos "exploid" exist since 2004, SINCE THE INTRODUKTION OF POSSES YOU, ISLANDISH CONEHEADS, AND YOU KNEW IT SINCE THIS (rised middlefinger). And then FOUR YEARS LATER CCP starts to act, ban anf f.... ppl who are tired to petition such rubbish. CCP you should die, and all off your empoyees should search for a knew job... and please NOT in the MMO bussines, maybe you should go fish or so, so we get rid off you!!!! Or maybe you should ask torfi, he will fix this like the ghost trainning exploid, he knows how to kick costummers right I¦m so f¦ed for every euro i gave you I hope a lightning bold strikes you at the toilet. (euch soll der blitz beim schei¯en treffen, auf deutsch klings einfach besser) RIP EVE PS: if you find typos or grammatic mistakes, you can keep them np. Somebody got banned!
Valan The Fated	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:28:00 - [1435] Another thing if people think they aren't affected by this what do you think is going to happen to the Tech3 release date that is supposed to coincide with the Atari release? So thanks to those that have cheated you've dropped CCP right in it. Even if they are mates and buddies ban them they haven't done CCP any favours. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:29:00 - [1436] What you people fail to see is that CCP will NEVER say anything like names involved, alliances involved or stuff like that. They learned their lesson from t20 insident and will just simply ban people and force others be quiet. Enjoy your "fail and brutal" game! "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Sic Volo	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:30:00 - [1437] Originally by: Shiyama What we know so far: from CCP - exploit found, fixed people banned, more to come. From the interweb - 4 years of evil, [insert enemy alliance name] has been using this cheat they are teh hax0rz!!!, the sky is falling and really we don't know much yet. answer - wait. If you are smart then take advantage of the fluctuation in the markets or just go on anyway. CCP do have a fairly poor history of customer service, but lets at least give them more than 24hours to fix the problem and then do all the research into finding how deep it runs. Agree, although seems the comunity needs more transparency in both investigation and fixing. And beside the extent of this exploit most of us like to know was it misconducted, neglected or tolerated? I suggest starting with simple answer: Was it reported 4 YEARS AGO?
Lord Untrustable	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:31:00 - [1438] And btw the 4 years is utter crap. There wasn't any POS at december 2004 IIRC.......
Seth Vorlar	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:32:00 - [1439] Originally by: Andrue ..and you guys believe him? Deity on a crutch, peeps! This guys cheats. He's been caught and punished. You think he's going to give you a thoughtful and accurate description of events? Sheesh! An Exploid is an exploid if a GM say its an exploid, otherwise its game mechanik isnt it ? PS: Uh and just for the protokoll iv¦e never used it, i didn¦t even know it, im just amused (upsed) in CCP¦s failure cascade the last time, and how costummers get treated for making the FAT geting FATTER. -t20 (LOOOOOOOOOOOOL) -windows patch mistake (ok to much weed) -ghost nerv (pure money grab) -speed nerv (are you kidding, solve the prob not the game) -last patch (contend?) -pos exploid (epic) -cant wait for the next shoot in the foot PPS: and to adress the guys that are shi..ing at each other, Etho Demerzel and Scoop de'Woop, remember on witch side you stand, stop it and fire your words at CCP i cant do it, im a german and my english isnt good enough
Etho Demerzel Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2008.12.12 08:33:00 - [1440] Originally by: Scoop de'Woop started a sentence with a conjunction - while this is changing it is still not standard form http://www.gpuss.co.uk/english_usage/start_sentence_conjunction.htm ridicularized I think I know what you are going for but that isn't a word as far as I know Fair enough the correct word is ridiculized. abstain yourself isn't proper English. Sorry but that you took from your hat. It is proper English. fragment Which means you couldn't find anything there. We found a total of one mistake in the whole text. Fantastic! See your pedantic observation was completely founded. And what is more ironic, you commited more mistakes trying to correct my text than I did. Fascinating. Quote: Saying something like "you made me do it" is a colloquial phrase that isn't meant to be taken literally. Of course you didn't make me do it because this is an internet forum where physical contact isn't possible. Because the only way for a person to make another do something is through physical contact, right? Regardless, "You made me do it" was an hypocritical statement. That is what matters here. Quote: Edit: When I say "big" words, I don't necessarily mean that my vocabulary doesn't use these types of words, I mean that they aren't used by most English speakers. Grammar and vocabulary, while similar, are different in that you can have a large vocabulary and terrible grammar. I do understand the difference between grammar and vocabulary, and I am quite comfortable with my domain of both such aspects of the English language, thank you. You, on the other hand, have a grave need to improve your vocabulary if you find those words unusual or their use offensive enough to justify your observations. And to update your knowledge about grammar given the "mistakes" you found on my text. ===== "If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron...



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