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Griefers On Demand And More
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:17:00 -
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Dear CCP,
Thank you for letting me know not only will you be sending me a new laptop which you will support, but a desktop as well since you will be forcing me to upgrade or cancel my subscription as of March 10th.
Since I am unable to upgrade, I would like to thank you for your letter of employment offering me $100,000 US a year, with a bonus of $50,000 as a sign on to help pay for any other future upgrades, and to move my junk out of the horrible neighborhood I live where I battle homies and their 9's and into Iceland for the the position you have offered me.
I am sure my current boss will be happy for me that I will no longer have to work 100 hours a week, on call 24/7 at $10.78 an hour assisting wanna be techies that have no degrees, get paid more than I do, and have mommy and daddy pay for everything, fixing their own screw ups and letting them know it was my fault. After which I come home, hit the bottle and play your lovely game on my old outdated equipment.
I would also like to thank you for paying off my student loans and giving me the blowjob with the reach around after fracking me in the rear really good this time. Oh, before I forget, please make the American dollar worth something again so that I can actually upgrade my PC's with the signing bonus you have offered me.
From someone who has stuck around since 12k players was a massive hit until you shut me down like those highschool cheerleaders with a swift kick in the nuts and my ex wife..
Me.
P.S. I'm listening to Moody Blues and cutting my wrists now with the backround thumping of Kanye West, Lil Wayne, and T.I. Thanks CCP. You were my only hope. Now wtf is R2D2 going to do.
P.S.S. This is the letter I would have sent you if the above statements were factual. Instead I will just curse you for making me upgrade.
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Aldiree Antima
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:19:00 -
[482]
Originally by: Shadowsword
Are you going to:
A/ create lower-res textures that will sit on the hard drive, or..
B/ Make the client take existing high-res textures, use computer ressources to degrade them, then diplay them? That's what Age of Conan did, with the predictable result of making the cilent run worse with lower settings?
It depends on the details of the implementation:
A) They can do this at CCP-Headquarters + you only need to select low res textures + no overhead on your side - client gets bigger clients - no dynamical adaptation to player machine (e.g. optimized for 128MB or 256MB gfxram)
between A + B) Client generate the low res textures on setup / config request + can use specs of the target machine (dynamical adaptation) + client gets only bigger on your harddrive (high res + generated low res textures) saves bandwidth - generation of low res texture takes time at least several minutes (Battlefield 2 made me wait at least 20 min for this setup step) B) on the fly generation + time for generation is chopped in little pieces as needed by the player - crappy performance !?
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eladi
Gallente Interstellar Federal Forces
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:19:00 -
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My ITX machine wont suport shader 3, ( Intel 945) nor would my and all notebooks whit that chipset or lower.
shader 2 will be a drain on some of the cheaper system using intel chips only but doalble.. shader 3 would kinda make it unplayable for alot I think.
the strenght to user lower end system and notebook to play eve would be lost whit the discontinu of shader 2.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:21:00 -
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I am glad my brand new laptop supports SM 4.1 |
Miklabjarnir Primus
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:23:00 -
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So - I have: * 2.2 HHz Intel Core 2 Duo * 4 GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM * GeForce 8600M GT * 1440 x 900 LCD display
- but I can only run the classic client because my OS is MacOS X version 10.5.6
I play on my MacBook Pro when I'm in a lonesome hotel room, commuting, or visiting friends. A different laptop is not an option, this is my work laptop and it is less than a year old. Besides, the alternative would be a laptop running BSD or Linux, which does not seem to support the new client any better.
Sure, I would like to see a new "Premium Light" client for all platforms, and also a premium client, even though the fans in my laptop already run at full blast when I play EVE with the classic client.
But, more important, one of the things I like about EVE is that it does not pander too much to useless graphical fluff, it concetrates more on content and gameplay than other online games. The classic graphics are good enough (except for deadspace silliness), and it might seem like a waste of resources to strive for better graphics instead of spending resources on content.
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Snyder Aringdon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Black Phlanx Edited by: Black Phlanx on 14/01/2009 11:44:48 I can understand the concerns of those that game on older laptops.. but can we get real here? Those users still using SM1 laptops, look at this. The 8800 series of cards were top of the line a year ago... nvidia phased them out in 6 months with the 9800 series... now we have the 200 series of cards completely making the 9800's obsolete. If you cannot afford anything more expensive than your ATI 850PRO then you must be getting paid in stones or something at your job. Older cards are DIRT CHEAP. You can get a Geforce 8400 GS series card for under $45 USD!
Technology moves forward, either try to keep up or get left behind. Most other companies wouldn't give a rats about losing older tech users (mainly because they don't still support anything lower than SM2) so don't take your anger out on CCP just because you want to keep your Pentium 1 laptop that's still running Windows 3.1
SM1 has been well overdue to get phased out. And like above said, if you're so against it then feel free to donate all your assets to me in a trade.
I don't appreciate you lack of concern and knowledge of mobile devices. First of all, laptops, as I said, don't have external cards, so we are FORCED to buy new lappys/compys to get better cards. Even so, I have a pretty good business-grade laptop (Dell Latitude D620) and upgraded NVidia card (Quadro 110M), so it's not like I'm playing with a dinosaur laptop. But even with the upgrade (two years old), I only have 4/3 ShaderModel supported hardware.
Second of all, having a part-time job, attending college and being married don't add up to very much discretionary income. I don't get "paid in stones," I just have a life. Not all of us are single apartment-dwelling gamers who have the time and money to invest heavily in their gaming rigs. Those of us who aren't would like to continue to play EVE as well. |
Ralitge boyter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:25:00 -
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I think moving to Shader model 2 makes sense I mean shader model 2 has been out there for a very long time now (computer graphics time scales) and most people will have something like this running already.
Shader model 3 is simply to much of a leap, even Q3/4 2009 I would guess that you are going to kill off at least 10% of your subscriber base by killing of Shader model 2, I mean laptops except for the newest versions will all be out, shader model 3 for the laptop has not been around for very long and certainly not in an cheap package...
I hope CCP will accept that yes looking pretty is nice but it is much nicer if the game can be played on many more systems, a premium client and a clasic version was your own solution and I think it worked very well for many people. Making a single version again is of course a much better idea but do not do that by killing off your customer base just so you can show some bling bling at a trade show and shout it is actuall in game footage. Less bling and more play is far beter from a customer satisfaction point of view. |
Chib
Armada. Onslaught.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:33:00 -
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Although graphics cards are cheap in this day and age i currently use a radeon 9550 and its as far as i can go with my current motherboard....if im forced to upgrade then for me i have to replace my motherboard/ram and graphics card and this i cannot do
currently living in a recession and are unemployed as a result i can barely afford to play eve atm never mind upgrade my entire computer ---------------------------------------------
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CCP Redundancy
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Amitious Turkey
Guess I'll have to buy another new computer...or something. Unless I can figure out what kind of shader my graphics card supports. It runs SOASE on high graphics ?
The min required cards listed on the Sins of a Solar Empire website seem to be Shader Model 2. Senior Graphics Programmer, Core Graphics Group |
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SirFett
Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:34:00 -
[490]
does that mean trinity is getting a major overhaul ?
also does that mean you are gona put some edges back into my absolution, so i can look at it, when im forced to use the premium client, wich when sitting in a station uses so much more graphics power for that even more borring than in classic interior of the amarr stations ?
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Chib
Armada. Onslaught.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:35:00 -
[491]
yeah, SM2 i can handle....sm3 you can pay for ---------------------------------------------
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Neoteric
Intergalactic Jesters Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:40:00 -
[492]
I use the classic atm & when I startup it does say I can upgrade to premium. This is on a 3 year old Toshiba Qosmio & I still get a slow respones from it in classic, so going premium would make it worse? I have very minimum background tast going on but evening trying to veiw a few web site while playing, nowadays, is becoming to slow.
Is supported the same as playable I ask?
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Sylar McIntyr
Caldari Konstrukteure der Zukunft AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:53:00 -
[493]
SO i just gave the premium client a try on my laptop. It is obviously able to run it but just a single account and only with the 'Classic graphics' anything else is close to unplayable.
While im looking forward to better graphics (and planning to get a new laptop anyway) im a bit sceptic about the performace. And please don't kill SM2 that fast ________________________________________________
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Venomous Nightmare
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:55:00 -
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Now according to the news, Apocrypha will replace classic with premium lite, premium will stay the same but with better graphics and so on, so what at the end of the year premium lite will not be in existence towards the end of 09 so you would have to upgrade to premium to continue playing eve or get a better computer the has the necessary hardware to run it right! Ven
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Eva Miridian
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:59:00 -
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SM 3 would make it impossible for me to play using my laptop, effectively making it impossible for me to play the game during 90% of my so called "free time". If you're going to make this change, could you at least put in some combination of skill queuing and website skill changes?
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Aldiree Antima
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai Now I'm a bit confused, as I have a GeForce FX 5900 card which according to NVIDIA supports ShaderModel 2, but I'm sure that it only supported PixelShader 1.3 when I bought it and I don't think it is something which can be update with driver changes.
Windows users get GPU-Z at http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/ it shows your supported Shader Model and DirectX Version.
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millsy4606
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:05:00 -
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Can't afford a new laptop- then get a new job, im typing this on my iPod touch. Why should I pay out good money on graphics cards, ram, HD screens? Because I want the best, I want to see the little glow that my cruise missiles give off when they smash into the side of another ship, I want my ship to have nice crisp edges when I'm popping into an amarr station. I don't think a game should be put off by a couple of people who say they won't buy new gear. I don't make loads of money but if I want something then I'll save up, I may not go out sometimes at weekends and blow ú100 on beer and taxis. I say go ahead, I don't want to know if EVE can run on an amstrad 64, I want to know which graphics card I'll have to buy next to keep playing eve.
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Lrrp
Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:09:00 -
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While my new comp. can handle everything Eve premium can throw at it, if you are going to upgrade requirements please for the love of the virgin Mary, make Eve handle Anti Aliasing.
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Gner Dechast
Flashman Services
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:15:00 -
[499]
At first read, this sounds like the end of my Eve.
Your "Premium" client is STILL stinking pile of bile, which I won't touch with a 20ft pole. it.just.doesn't.work.reliably. end of story. Nothing to do with shaders or the age of my brand new machine.
With your track record on making good on your promises, I would rather see you FIRST deliver working alternative for classic BEFORE you take away working eve client.
Don't you collect basic statistics? Each client could so easily send if it's premium or classic starting up, giving you an idea what's the ratio currently in premium vs classic - and don't assume all those have crappy PC's, start wondering if there is a reason why people reject your premium client...
I am very very pessimistic about this, and if I lose my few friends that play this game due to this, you will surely lose me as well - just to say that similar things may happen alot, losing people who could run eve, but lost their friends...
tsk tsk -- No expansions before holidays and no release until QA gives it's approval |
Lacco
Cool Ninjas of Awesome Ownage Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:17:00 -
[500]
the development tends to go for more shiney and good looking graphics, but combat lag is still a monster lurking under the surface that seems to be a minor concern. all new features keep coming in, but the lag remains unbearable when battle involves tens of players at once. I dont care if the game had no graphical upgrades or what so ever just as long as the gameplay was looked into first I'm on TV! I'm famous! |
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Kain Duku
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:17:00 -
[501]
ok sounds like they want me to spend more money upgrading my computer, great
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Baeryn
Caldari Corporate Sin Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:20:00 -
[502]
Just offer a version that lets me turn off the "chrome", and I'll be happy. EVE's been appealing to me because I can run the classic version on almost any PC - please don't take that ability away from me. Wireframe EVE would be sufficient! Role Playing Games by RolePlayGateway |
Ruoska
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:22:00 -
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I find this distasteful and traitorous!
Granted that you didn't exactly say for how long would you be having classic client, but this is way too soon to drop it, given the unreliability of the premium client.
You are making the biggest mistake of your lives here, I imagine.
I for one, disapprove religiously this decision.
P.S. less than a year old PC.
P.S.S. How does it work is far more important than how does it look.
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Mjoelnir Thorwulf
Royal East Eve Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:26:00 -
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I can't express how strongly I disapprove this. For the love of god, don't do this, without first giving a WORKING alternative.
With my new PC, I would not dream of running the premium due to classic being far more reliable. I'm quite shell shocked and in this initial phase of horror and resentment, I can imagine this being make-or-break for my subscriptions.
My signature exceeds the maxium allowed coolness factor. -- Mjoelnir Thorwulf
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Poreuomai on 14/01/2009 15:44:04
Originally by: Aldiree Antima Windows users get GPU-Z at http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/ it shows your supported Shader Model and DirectX Version.
Thanks for the tip.
Originally by: Baeryn Wireframe EVE would be sufficient!
This.
Let My People Go |
Ferria
Caldari The Eden Project
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:45:00 -
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I must agree that a step up in minimum system requirements is needed to continue to improve graphics I would caution against the discontinue of shader model 2. as that would leave most laptops bought during or prior to 2006 unable to be used.
However as to many of the people complaining of the immense cost of upgrading desktops to support shader model 3 or 4 I can atleast say to the US crowd look to newegg I found many avalible for $50 or lower, and if your willing to go "old" you could probably get one for under $25
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Awesome Marie
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:46:00 -
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As long as you choose to implement lowres texture to the Premium light DL package rather than forinc the game to RL-downgrade textures and effects I'm satisfied. I like the new skins so I'm looking forward to this. But I DON'T want it to be much laggyer. Rather just the standard classic version but with upgraded textures (take the Domi as an example).
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Straight Chillen
Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:50:00 -
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Wow way to take a giant leap backwards. Why not try making the game run smoothly before doing something like this. I also think you would get more players buy making the game run on a larger range of hardware then by making everything very shiney. This seems like a very WoW~ish line of thinking to mee.
I really hope I wont be forced to cancel my accounts come march 10th, because it really seems that its going that way |
Ted Grayham
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ted Grayham on 14/01/2009 15:51:22 Good going! Progress and maintainability is always good. Something you might consider is creating a simple "shell" as well, where you can change your skills and make market orders w/o graphics rendering. That could make a good compromise for people who still want to maintain their character through stolen WiFi Internet on their net-book PCs :-p |
Zedah Zoid
Nutz N Boltz Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.01.14 15:57:00 -
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To all the "upgrade or get out" screamers in this thread, I'm just curious. Do you really play Eve because of the pretty pictures? For me, that's pretty far down the list of why this is a great game. And it is a great game. |
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