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Dracorimus
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.14 17:59:00 -
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Stupid idea IMO
Classic is soo much better than the bloated premium, which my system can run fine, but struggles...
Keep classic in! |

Plundaar
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:06:00 -
[542]
does this mean that if we prefer to NOT run the premium version because it consistantly crashes our pc's os that we're pretty much hung out to dry? Seriously... thanks for giving us another reason not to play. My main pc couldn't hold premium together with well above all standards of pc requirements and now I'm loosing the classic working version as well? |

Callimminniss Prdsk
Cyrix Ltd. Tamanium
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:07:00 -
[543]
I trawled through 13 pages and then got bored, little information quickly turned to lots of pro-con ranting.
Can you please sticky some kind of hardware test - I suspect that my current machine is not going to cut it but I'd like to know one way or the other.
Thanks |

Lex Talion
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:10:00 -
[544]
Between us; me and the guy sitting at the desk behind me have 10 accounts. We both use laptops to EVE during down moments at work.
We would both be forced to cancel our subs if this idea went forwards. Because we can't afford new laptops. Since we just bought new laptops. And they don't support shader 3. |

Solanio
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:11:00 -
[545]
Back in March 2003 I met this girl. For some weeks we played around casually, no strings attached, no cost involved. But than she decided we need to get serious. Lacking better options, I agreed.
Nowadays she looks better than back in 2003, but all those visual improvements also forced me to improve myself aswell (gym, regular haircuts, brushing my teeth more often). Today she told me that in the near future she will add further enhancements and if I want to stay with her I need to do something to keep up. Again.
I am really getting sick of this. I am perfectly fine with how mediocre we both looked several years ago. And with the lower maintenance costs.
Adapt or die I guess. |

Immi Feilus
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:13:00 -
[546]
Forced SM 3.0 means my EVE account goes bye bye. My primary system is my laptop, and I'm not upgrading my laptop to SM3.0 when I can run L4D just fine on this thing as it is.
SM 2.0 is fine, 3.0 and you'll lose at least 5 accounts (as my roommates who play eve can only support 2.0 also) |

Vir Hellnamin
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:20:00 -
[547]
CCP: which part of the game needs SM3? Some cool effects that count crap-**** in pew-pew?
So it's EVE: Ambulation On-line now?
-- V.H.
"Entering MH means instant death. It's worse than 0.0. Even the asteroids shoot back." - Alex Harumichi [GRD]
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Jaben Fwaer
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:21:00 -
[548]
I'm running EVE on a HP pav. dv6000 series, and it has a GeForce Go in it, PS 1.3. The laptop is only about a year and a half old, but for some reason, it can run premium on low settings. Wonder if it will still work?
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Katrina Amazon
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:22:00 -
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Oh ya and by the way I'm running 6 accounts on 3 crappy computers, I'm also directly responsable for updating many of my friends skills on top of that who don't have the time as well at all, I'd like to reenforce that eve is about Friends and comunication (BLOB game as one once told me), not fancy Graphics, if people wanted a true pvp with eve, they would insist that you could control your ship with a joy stick, and shoot with the push of a button (not the activation of cycle timers like WOW), I mean I'm deep deep deep into industry, but when i first started playing eve i was like "Double click to move WTF!!??" I was expecting a more freelancer experiance, but if I'm still here having a ball it might be because I play classics graphics with only the LOD option on, everything else is OFF, Explosions, guns etc you name it, OFF!!! I want movement response from my ship not pretty textures before she goes pop! lol
OKEY I'll stop blogging now, just I had to re-enforce the good statements brought up by those running multiple, multiple accounts on one or two PC's, I mean they log off and the Corp goes dead, know what I mean? They are the CEO's, insane industrialists, those who run triple support ships, when they log off so do the other 10 members in the corp who look up to them for Security, companionship, and inspiration, if those people go... the corps go dead permanently, thats a chain reaction ineveitable, when people loose their leaders..
Thnks again guys for hearing me out and putting up with so much crap
Huggs, and Kisses and Peace! Katirna 
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Callimminniss Prdsk
Cyrix Ltd. Tamanium
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:33:00 -
[550]
Originally by: rValdez5987
Originally by: Mikalya
Originally by: rValdez5987 Its a hobby that you frankly cannot afford.
Im sick and tired of people *****ing and trying to stop progress of everything because they are too lazy, too stupid, or lack the control over their own life to take charge, do whats gotta be done, and get a working and up to date box to game on.
hardware is dirt cheap, upgrading properly is smart

That's it? With this upgrade we get rid of the luddites, the fools and the bone-****ing-idle? Cheers Valdez, I'll upgrade my computer for the sake of a game when I have more money than sense.
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KISOGOKU
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:33:00 -
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wall of text but '' NVidia card (Quadro 110M) '' if you have quadro 110M it has SM 3.0 not sure if we are talking same chip http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-Quadro-NVS-110M.2435.0.html
Originally by: Snyder Aringdon
So guys like myself, who cannot afford to replace their lappy or upgrade their compy, will sadly but surely leave the world CCP made for us.
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Etren Stokk
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Arelios Edited by: Marcus Arelios on 14/01/2009 17:57:35 *On a side note after reading more of the posts* If you can't afford to spend 50-90 USD on a new video card, maybe you should reconsider spending 15 a month on a game, because if $50 is a problem, then a monthly cost for something you don't really need seems stupid. Also, for those complaining about the economy, if a ton of people went out to spend money on new video cards, it might help some, can't hurt. Every little bit helps. And on a similar point as originally made, if the economy affects you so much that $50 is a problem, then 15 a month should be as well.***
My point, exactly!  |

Lukas Rox
Torchwood Archive
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:40:00 -
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I see that a lot of people have similar hardware set-up to mine, i.e. modern fast desktop PC and a 2-3 years old laptop with either some integrated ATI or Intel GMA card. While I can perfectly run two clients on my gaming rig (quad core + nv 8800 GTS o/c) I would love to see both accounts at once, instead of alt-tabbing between them.
A decision to introduce shader model 3 as the only one supported would force me to buy a new display or a new laptop. I know what you mean CCP, you want to help global economy by creating an artificial need to upgrade our hardware. (my laptop with ati x200 runs classic perfectly well at 30 fps which is just enough for hauling/mission support/scouting)
While I will probably go the "dual head" way anyway and buy another LCD display, I understand many people who for various reasons cannot do the same. I cannot imagine myself two years ago, when I was as a student, upgrading my hardware just so it can run Eve.
Think twice CCP, is cutting down 3d gfx development costs really worth losing a few percent of players (one set of 3d models and textures instead of two)? --- Visit in game for nice items links http://eve.interkam.pl/eveships
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Galanodels
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:44:00 -
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Looks like I lucked out, my laptop has SM 4.0 Support! Go GeForce 8600M GT.
Sorry for those that don't have the required support :(.
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Somal Thunder
Intergalactic Peace Organization
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:48:00 -
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**** What I've said, and **** what everyone else has said, give us an option to run wireframe graphics like some VERY intelligent person suggested!
Copy the following into your post to declare support!
Quote: [img]http://throstur.110mb.com/images/other/1-day-support2.jpg[/img] I Declare Support to the WIREFRAME GRAPHICS Idea!
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
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Amy Tiels
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:50:00 -
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Right now I am running a geforce 4200, an athalon proccessor, and 1.5 gig ram on my main computer.. my other computer runs just UNDER minimums but still runs clasic. if we force the player base to upgrade to clasic lite, then we will screw many of them out of eve. I cant even afford the money to fill my gas tank, let alone buy a new GFX card or upgrade more. and forget replacing the laptop. the econemy is horrid in the real world and it is even transfering to eve... less people playing already so the econemy in game is starting to fall off from the decreased demand. If you want premium lite, then great.. release premium lite... just dont kill classic.. leave lite as a third option for people with mid grade systems.. I already have to turn off most effects in missions or I lag out. lite would kill the game for me. if lite is such a help for CCP, then give me 3 months free so I can save up and upgrade my GFX card. then you can save money by NOT losing me... lose 3 months of my time and keep the next few years untill you screw us over again with another mandatory upgrade that I cant afford, or just lose me because you moved past what I can afford. I have recommended my friends to play eve because it doesnt require much for GFX or even internet connection. forcing everyone to upgrade their hardware will ensure one thing.. those with money RL will rule eve.. they will buy isk from GTC selling, they will have the hardware to run massive fleets to move through and conquer everything, and those of use that are struggling to scratcdh by IRL will wind up lagged out the second they try to run a lvl1 mission and easily get over run anytime they go into lowsec or nillsec. keep eve fun for those of us that play. let us see more of the game then a slide show. so what if my ship looks like ****. atleast I can fly the damn thing. upgrading the game's GFX will just ensure the gameplay experiance suffers. some people that can play classic at max GFX may be reduced to lesser frame rates and lesser resolutions to run lite and so they will suffer too. increased GFX only means increased strain. this is more then just a comment, this is an open plea.. the players begging you, dont take the game away from us.. dont make eve a game just for those that can afford better systems... what's next after that.. making Vista the only supported OS? then you would lose 50% of your players because no one uses that crap, and it takes such a powerfull computer no one can afford the hardware... step back and look around you. what do you run? how much does it cost to buy it? now look at what your players run.. put a button in the next release of eve to collect and send you the system info for every player who logs in.. make it mandatory to send in the info before you can log in.. hell, make the client do it automaticly on log in.. then look at it.. see what everyone runs... how many players run crappy systems...you can assume that alot of players who run GTCs cant even afford to pay for their account and so will not be able to upgrade computers to run eve. releasing lite would be suicide.. look at what happened when SOE released the "combat upgrade" and the "new game experiance" for star wars galaxies... well over 50% of the players left. they tried to make the game look flashier and make the combat system simpler... in the end they made a mix of WoW and o****er strike and everyone hated it. you are on the same road.. lite will only force people to quit eve from lack of hardware to run it. mabey you all have stock in ATI or Nvidia, but many of us can bearly afford to live because of the econemy IRL. I cant afford luxeries like a new GFX card. I am TRYING to save up to buy myself a whole new computer... but that wont be for atleast a year. mabey two. You should feel pretty good about yourselfs now.. you have done what WoW cant.. you have forced your players to BEG for the right to play the game.. because you have forced us to beg you not to change it so that we CANT. |

Topminer1980
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Topminer1980 on 14/01/2009 18:53:27 I've just finished checking the intel website, my intergrated card supports version 4.0 , however, i'd still prefer the focus to be on game play raher than eyecandy. I urge CCP to consider enabling a very simple 1 click option on the esc menu, that would enable customers to specify what graphics quality they prefer. I wouldn't go as far as suggesting wire frame, but a very low quality option, even for modern machines, would interest me. maybe many others too
Thanks for reading.
edit:Wow that wall of text up there ^^^^^ just made my eyes bleed |

rubico1337
Caldari nefarious badgers inc
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:54:00 -
[558]
for me, and i think for a large majority of the playerbase, this game isnt about shallow pretty planets, or cool effects from pew. when 80% or so of player TURN OFF content to increase framerate during fights, you know that graphics is not a top priority, CCP should get thier priorities in line with the players, 2.0, fine i can run that but you will still lose a large player base, if 3.0 comes out im keeping my $30 a month, i cant afford to but another computer |

Bibi
Basic Tritanium Mining North
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Posted - 2009.01.14 18:57:00 -
[559]
CCP! I guess you forget about all people that run multiple accounts at the same time or ???
I can run a premium client with my computer but what about 2-3 accounts running at the same time on the same computer after your little "Premium Lite" version hits!!???
Eve is a slow game, most stuff you do in game takes a VERY long time to do... a specially the isk making. Alot of people have multiple accounts in eve for that reason alone that they also run at the same time on the same computer! now if that stops working when the new client comes then what?
Obviously it will be more expensive to upgrade for those that run 3 accounts at the same time now and need to upgrade so its playable with 3 accounts even when the new "Premium Lite" version comes.
I can only speak for myself but there are limits in what I spend just to be able to play a computer game! even if I love it alot, and been a subscriber for 5 years...
Premium client has been around for a longtime now so its seems very strange that It just now starts to trouble you so much that you need to remove the classic version of eve in order to focus eveyrhing on the premium version...
But the worst thing is your announcement timing about this upgrade worst economic crisis in many many years and your telling people that they might need to upgrade hardware in their computers in about 3 months. If they want to continue playing a GAME!!! Thats good management and good public relations! Congrats ccp
I guess Island never got hit by the economic crisis or did they? 
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Lukas Rox
Torchwood Archive
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:02:00 -
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Quote: I guess Island never got hit by the economic crisis or did they? Shocked
Iceland has actually been hit quite hard :/ The real ISK (Iceland Krona) got literally smashed by the crisis :( |
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gerbiless
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lukas Rox
Quote: I guess Island never got hit by the economic crisis or did they? Shocked
Iceland has actually been hit quite hard :/ The real ISK (Iceland Krona) got literally smashed by the crisis :(
irony... ;)
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Burn Cycle
Omega Engineering Inc. Imperial Defense Coalition
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue If we could just render the inside of a station with environment loading disabled it would be useful. That way people relying on slightly crappy laptops can still chat to friends from their hotel room and change skills.
This is a massive deal to me - I travel quite alot and when doing so, take my trusty MacBook with me (with an Intel GMA950 graphics chipset, that interestingly won't run EVE when booted into Vista, but will under OS X). Phasing out support for these older standards will force me into a position where I cannot update my skills whilst on the road, thus losing training time.
If this is defiantly going to happen, then CCP should consider a compomise to those of us who will be affected; implementing the much hankered after queuing of skills, or releasing a client that enables say chat, skills and perhaps markets only (and to see that on a mobile phone, well we can dream can we not...) |

Etren Stokk
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Etren Stokk on 14/01/2009 19:05:42
Originally by: Bibi
I guess Island never got hit by the economic crisis or did they? 
Actually, Iceland suffered as well, possibly even more than most - they were right on the edge of total financial collapse there for a while. Due to their smaller economy, they feel global changes much more than the U.S. and the U.K.
Just make your point, don't be a d**k. 
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gerbiless
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:10:00 -
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It is very strange that you come with this "improvement" at this time.. I guess that you as all other companies want to make your "iskies" as most others, but this is way wrong. I guess that I can say that i talk for many of us, when i say that it is the idea of the game that really makes us play.. as you've already seen, many of us also uses laptops that we can bring where ever we go just to play this wonderful game..;) don't take that away from us.. let there be a low end version that can be used by "old" computers, and you will still have a faithful group of players who will whine a bit sometimes but still pay the fee for 4 -5 accounts... and i guess that it is what matters in the long run... ;) |

Bibi
Basic Tritanium Mining North
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Bibi on 14/01/2009 19:12:44 yes I know Island got hit the worst of all of the European countries thats why its even LESS understandable that ccp announce something like this at this time that has to do with people spending even more money to be able to play their computer game!!
WTF is that ? |

Somal Thunder
Intergalactic Peace Organization
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Bibi Edited by: Bibi on 14/01/2009 19:12:44 yes I know Island got hit the worst of all of the European countries thats why its even LESS understandable that ccp announce something like this at this time that has to do with people spending even more money to be able to play their computer game!!
WTF is that ?
It's more economic for CCP to just have to pay for the development of one client instead of two. |

gerbiless
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: gerbiless on 14/01/2009 19:20:32
Originally by: Somal Thunder
Originally by: Bibi Edited by: Bibi on 14/01/2009 19:12:44 yes I know Island got hit the worst of all of the European countries thats why its even LESS understandable that ccp announce something like this at this time that has to do with people spending even more money to be able to play their computer game!!
WTF is that ?
It's more economic for CCP to just have to pay for the development of one client instead of two.
That is both true and not.. IF you loose income it will NOT be profitable.. But that is obvious, is'nt it.. ;)
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Ted Grayham
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Somal Thunder
Originally by: Bibi Edited by: Bibi on 14/01/2009 19:12:44 yes I know Island got hit the worst of all of the European countries thats why its even LESS understandable that ccp announce something like this at this time that has to do with people spending even more money to be able to play their computer game!!
WTF is that ?
It's more economic for CCP to just have to pay for the development of one client instead of two.
This, and the fact that a cheap videocard with SM2 or even 3 support costs VERY little. If you can't afford it, you probably don't really afford EVE in the first place. That's just how it is with a platform in constant development, such as the PC. Some things grow too old, and you can't expect everyone to wait for you to catch up. |

gerbiless
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ted Grayham
Originally by: Somal Thunder
Originally by: Bibi Edited by: Bibi on 14/01/2009 19:12:44 yes I know Island got hit the worst of all of the European countries thats why its even LESS understandable that ccp announce something like this at this time that has to do with people spending even more money to be able to play their computer game!!
WTF is that ?
It's more economic for CCP to just have to pay for the development of one client instead of two.
This, and the fact that a cheap videocard with SM2 or even 3 support costs VERY little. If you can't afford it, you probably don't really afford EVE in the first place. That's just how it is with a platform in constant development, such as the PC. Some things grow too old, and you can't expect everyone to wait for you to catch up.
Where on theese pages did you miss that many of us are playing on laptops? |

Etren Stokk
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Etren Stokk on 14/01/2009 19:25:02
Originally by: gerbiless
Where on theese pages did you miss that many of us are playing on laptops?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=971997&page=18#539 |
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