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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2009.01.14 02:36:00 -
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As someone who moves every 1-3 months, I must protest the increased graphics requirements as a desktop is not feasible.
I started playing Eve as it was one of the few games I could actually play. When Premium came out, I knew the end was near. |
Bo'Tox
Amarr Arkor Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.14 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 14/01/2009 01:43:37 Except this was designed as a laptop for gaming. It cost like $2000 when it was released and, unlike many laptops on the market at the time, had dedicated graphics rather than an integrated onboard solution. It was well above Eve's minimum specs, and so I bought it *because* it would play Eve.
It was very much a gamers laptop.
Same here. I bought my laptop a year and a bit ago SOLELY because it could play Eve.
Com on!!! Are people actually saying that they want to be able to run Eve on a more than 4 year old Graphics card? Any El-Cheapo Nvidia 8000 series card WILl support SM4.0 so what is the problem??? Only the ppl with NO money...
If you dont have money to upgrade ($50-$100 US) then you certainly wont have money to play Eve so out you go - GTFO...
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Bo'Tox
Amarr Arkor Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.14 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Alexandra Lucille It seems I am in the same boat as many others in this thread. Dropping SM2 support would leave me unable to play EVE on my laptop which, incidentally, is able to easily handle everything else I use it for.
Buying a new laptop exclusively for EVE seems somewhat excessive, regardless of how much I may enjoy the game...
Cheap Dells are more than capable of handling Eve - just dont get onboard graphics... in $Aus its around the $1200 mark. In US dollars its about as much as a Hershey bars so just fork over the $$$...
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Koryvarn
Infusion.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 02:41:00 -
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My laptop was bought in 2006, and has an Intel GMA 950 card. It has no problems dual accounting the classic client.
If shader model 3 is required, then I'm out. In this economic climate, I can't justify replacing my laptop for a computer game, and if I did, it's likely I'd be playing Warhammer Online instead. |
Ein Spiegel
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Posted - 2009.01.14 02:43:00 -
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I appreciate CCP terminating my ability to play on another computer.
Although, to be honest, my laptop should support (in theory) the new light client. (In Theory) It can run premium, albeit at about 3 fps and with a horrible yellow taint on everything. I've already replaced the motherboard once on this laptop, because the video card (an integrated GeForce GO 6600) started to fail (possibly due to heat).
Increasing the demands on video resources means that, yes, the newer generation of laptops coming out will be supported just fine. But most of us playing the game don't use cutting edge technology. I was using an HP desktop with nVidia onboard card in order to play, but sadly Trinity made that unplayable in space. (It's an older system, I'll admit.)
CCP is going to gamble that people are more willing to upgrade their hardware to continue playing a game, and that a significant portion of their clients are already running hardware that will enable them to continue to play. But if it comes down to a decision between 14.99 a month versus $499 for a new computer, CCP will lose out to economic realities. |
Smacko Thug
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.14 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lar'san
Over the years, I've had to buy 2 new computers because of Eve Online. I'm happy to do so, even though money is tight. It's not hard to get sub-$400.00 computers to run multiple accounts... all the while on a dial up connection.
Youve had to buy 2 NEW computers in the last 5 years? Because of eve?
They obviously werent new...
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simsjam
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Posted - 2009.01.14 02:46:00 -
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The whole idea here is to make money CCP! Do not drop support for people with lesser computers because a lot of them are playing on laptops that do not have the latest videocards. Even new most laptops do not come with high end graphics to start wit. I have a laptop with an ATI X1200 video card and it is not that old. Make the lite verson of the client target the most users and make the high end client for the smaller number of people that just have to have the best. |
Mr ZZZZZZZZ
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Posted - 2009.01.14 02:53:00 -
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I'm running on a Lenova T60 laptop, that I think can handle SM2, but continued graphics upgrades don't have any value to me. The graphics are good enough to handle trading/mining/manufacturing activities. I mean seriously, how sexy can you make the trading screen, or jumping 30 hops in a freighter?
As to upgrading the graphics....I'm one of many many users who are running on a company provided laptop. Reasonable graphics requirements and low bandwidth allow me to logon and play eve from hotel rooms and airport hotspots.
If you push the HW envelop too fast you'll lose my two accounts and a lot of the players who are on during the day from work / School PCs. |
PiehO
Gallente Department of Research and Development Stargate Experiment 626
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Posted - 2009.01.14 02:56:00 -
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Looks like me and my trusty lappy will be chatting and doing market stuff via vnc then :P.
FYI, my chip in the lappy is a Radeon 7000 IGP, so shader model 0. tbh though, doing anything more on eve with this lappy is just like pulling teeth, so its not a big problem for me.
Need to move stuff? *hugs vnc*, just dont install the mirror driver and enjoy the 1fps and your sorted. |
Kessiaan
Minmatar Army of One
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 14/01/2009 03:09:12 Well, I'll be back on my desktop by then so the new Premium Lite client won't really be an issue for me.
But if you're going to totally discontinue SM1 support I do think you should 'officially' start to support mobile Intel graphics as Intel's GMA series is the only graphics chipset in common use that's still being installed on new computers that only supports SM2
Yes, I know it's a crap chipset but given the goals outlined in the devblog it would be an ideal minimum standard.
As for discontinuing SM2 in the winter expansion - if you do it you're going to lose a lot of subs and shut yourself out from a lot of low-end computers. I'd suggest waiting at least a couple of years.
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Sean Roach
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:08:00 -
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I'm new to the game, and playing on a laptop. It'll survive the upgrade, and the proposed one as well, but I don't see buying another in time for a third stage, should one occur. My desktop is older, and I took the monitor off to give this one an occasional second head.
Have you considered a semi-open development system? Open the IP stack to registered outside development? If you did this, you could be in for some very pleasant surprises, (and a lot of unpleasant botting.)
Imagine someone writing their own client to interface with your game that will run with no hardware acceleration at all. Imagine someone writing their own client that would allow the game to be played without a monitor installed... A long shot, but a braille client?
Of course, you'd also get a lot of automated miners, ISK sellers, and market information strippers, and a few combat pet drones, and solar system patrol bots.
As I said, I'll survive the transition, but as a laptop user, I can see the day when I won't be able to, and I can't justify upgrading. AmEx wants me to...which is reason enough not to.
As for a station-locked client...how about implementing it in JavaScript? I can see what I'm training from the menu to the left. I just can't change it. |
simsjam
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mell Anders I am using a MacBook Pro CoreDuo (not Core2Duo). I'm running Leopard 10.5.6 and run EVE, obviously, through the Transgaming translator. While I have an onboard ATI Radeon x-1600 (capable of SM3), I currently can not run the Premium graphics. The Classic environment works fine "in space" while the "in-station" environments are, shall we say, not pretty.
How will this affect me?
AMEN! what are they doing at CCP- Reading the Windows development play book? I.E. Lets not fix the present OS and push another one out with all new bugs and require everyone to upgrade their computers to run it.
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Ein Spiegel
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:10:00 -
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Ahh! I figured out how to keep playing Eve (and **** off my wife in the process)...
Can't I install Windows on a PS3? Or, more workable, I install Linux onto a PS3, then install the linux client (or WINE the Windows client) on the PS3!
Or is that presaging a switch to console gaming which (according to industry magazines) will be the next big thing?
Typing could be hard, but Eve Voice integration and audio can't get worse.
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Btek
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:10:00 -
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No issue going to SM2 as minimum, but I'd hold off forcing SM3 for 18 months.
Btek
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Tweakalvos
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:12:00 -
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Well ill say this. I'm a college student only have had one computer. So I dont make alot of money. My graphics card is a Geforce 4mx 4000. I dont play the latest stuff because it doesnt work. You phase me out for upgrades I will be forced to play Jumpgate:Evolution. Period. I have played and payed CCP over a year or more. I knew it would come eventually but not as soon as you have done this. But as stated I will be forced to play jumpgate because I hate wow. Eve is my favorite game you phase me out then I cant play the game I love. I have spent over a year of my time you have phased ghost training. And are killing my fun time all because I havent the 1000 dollars for a new computer. Yeah i can get a cheaper one but college books dont pay for themselves. CCP please please dont phase out classic this soon. You want to grow look at Wow they still run an older graphics engine and thrive. Dont phase out something new this game is buggy still but you still want new new new. Well fix the old old old. FIRST. Thank You
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Kessiaan
Minmatar Army of One
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tweakalvos So I dont make alot of money. My graphics card is a Geforce 4mx 4000.
I don't see how this is a real issue, honestly. You can get a secondhand GeForce FX for less than $20. Even new they're only around $40, including shipping. Goes in the same slot so no real need to do any other upgrades.
If you think a brand-new game like JG:E is going to run on your antiquated hardware I would advice you to think again.
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mooey27
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:19:00 -
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will this proposed change effect myself, im runing a GeForce 9600m GS 512mb? sorry if this seems like a stupid question but my pc/laptop knowledge is very limited.
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K0n Fus10n
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:20:00 -
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Currently running two old boxes, one with a X850 and a 6800 Ultra in the other, both agp. Planning (hoping) to upgrade at least one of them this year.
The new changes sounds great imo.
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente legion of qui Southern Connection
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:31:00 -
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Seems CCP can't shove me out the door fast enough.
These changes will kill BOTH my laptops for running EVE, essentially guaranteeing that I'm history.
Way to fail.
Also, premium graphics are fugly. They always were fugly, they will always be fugly. The one computer I have that can play with premium graphics has only had them downloaded for a total of five minutes. Then I dumped it.
Classic for life. |
rValdez5987
Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kaya Divine "making ShaderModel 2 (GeForce FX (5 series) or ATi R300 series cards or compatible) the minimum requirement and discontinue the "Classic client" version of EVE, replacing it with "Premium Lite""
Yet another CCP failure. I do hope that you will get alot of new players, because you will for sure lose huge chunk.
It's not CCP's responsibility to allow you to continue to use your old crappy pos box to play games on. Theres no such thing as not upgrading your pc. You either upgrade it, buy a new one, or GET LEFT BEHIND. Deal with it.
PC's are cheap. If your not knowledgeable about them, become knowledgeable. Welcome to the modern age of technology. You need to become familiar with it, or you might as well go crawl in a hole somewhere.
I HATE PEOPLE WHO POST GARBAGE LIKE WHAT I HAVE QUOTED. Is it really so hard for people to adapt to technology? Even my grandfather who only uses his email on his pc, has one comparable to mine. Even he understands that there may be something he wants but cant use even with email or browsing, unless he has a fairly recent box.
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rValdez5987
Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bo'Tox
Originally by: Alexandra Lucille It seems I am in the same boat as many others in this thread. Dropping SM2 support would leave me unable to play EVE on my laptop which, incidentally, is able to easily handle everything else I use it for.
Buying a new laptop exclusively for EVE seems somewhat excessive, regardless of how much I may enjoy the game...
Cheap Dells are more than capable of handling Eve - just dont get onboard graphics... in $Aus its around the $1200 mark. In US dollars its about as much as a Hershey bars so just fork over the $$$...
Buy a desktop pc. Its cheaper, and you get a lot more functionality out of it. I really dont understand the laptop craze, since they were really meant more for work and mobility, then gaming and games don't really belong on them tbh.
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Mikalya
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: rValdez5987
It's not CCP's responsibility to allow you to continue to use your old crappy pos box to play games on. Theres no such thing as not upgrading your pc. You either upgrade it, buy a new one, or GET LEFT BEHIND. Deal with it.
At the same time you kindof have to agree that going from basically no requirements to requiring video capability that has only been mainstream in laptops for about a year is a bit unexpected. If they required shader 2 with Revelations it would be more understandable to require 3 with the release 2 years later. Instead they are jumping 8 years in their technology requirements.
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I really dont understand the laptop craze, since they were really meant more for work and mobility, then gaming and games don't really belong on them tbh.
MOBILITY. You answered your own question. Followed by mobility (yes, it is important), space required and ease of use. Many of us have families and such and can't sit in the back hallway closet away from everyone. My desktop (which would have no issues playing the porposed winter release) hasn't been used in 6 months because I cannot put it where I need to in order to be with my family. Its now a 1.5 TB glorified PVR
I can't play on my laptop, I can't play. Its simply that easy.
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rValdez5987
Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:42:00 -
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oh christ from reading this thread, I can already see the fail in it. This will be the last time I post in here because Im seriously getting ****ed off.
Its not CCP's fault that your stupid *** bought a laptop rather then a desktop which is CHEAPER and can be upgraded.
Its not CCP's fault that your married, have children, and your wife has you wrapped around her finger. TBH if thats how your living, quit eve, its not something you can realistically afford.
It's not CCP's fault that money is tight for you. If its really that tight that you cant upgrade your pc at any given time, please stop gaming. Its a hobby that you frankly cannot afford.
Im sorry to be rude like this, But Im sick and tired of people *****ing and trying to stop progress of everything because they are too lazy, too stupid, or lack the control over their own life to take charge, do whats gotta be done, and get a working and up to date box to game on.
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Sean Roach
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:42:00 -
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A laptop means never having to wait until you get home to use your computer.
Originally by: rValdez5987
Buy a desktop pc. Its cheaper, and you get a lot more functionality out of it. I really dont understand the laptop craze, since they were really meant more for work and mobility, then gaming and games don't really belong on them tbh.
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Nightsabre
Caldari T-Cells
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:45:00 -
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Totally understand the reasons for doing this, just wish we was given a little more time for those with laptops a few years old to be able to atleast work on getting a new pc...
Tho the money saved on subscriptions will now go towards a new pc/laptop.
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rValdez5987
Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mikalya
Originally by: rValdez5987
It's not CCP's responsibility to allow you to continue to use your old crappy pos box to play games on. Theres no such thing as not upgrading your pc. You either upgrade it, buy a new one, or GET LEFT BEHIND. Deal with it.
At the same time you kindof have to agree that going from basically no requirements to requiring video capability that has only been mainstream in laptops for about a year is a bit unexpected. If they required shader 2 with Revelations it would be more understandable to require 3 with the release 2 years later. Instead they are jumping 8 years in their technology requirements.
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I really dont understand the laptop craze, since they were really meant more for work and mobility, then gaming and games don't really belong on them tbh.
MOBILITY. You answered your own question. Followed by mobility (yes, it is important), space required and ease of use. Many of us have families and such and can't sit in the back hallway closet away from everyone. My desktop (which would have no issues playing the porposed winter release) hasn't been used in 6 months because I cannot put it where I need to in order to be with my family. Its now a 1.5 TB glorified PVR
I can't play on my laptop, I can't play. Its simply that easy.
As ive already stated, If you have a family requiring that level of attention, you really shouldnt be spending much time if any in EVE. Sorry to say this, but thats the fact. Your always free to live how you want, but that doesn't make it right.
For the limited time that I was a father (not by blood, but it wouldve been by adoption had the relationship lasted) I gave up my gaming addiction cold turkey because its the RIGHT THING TO DO. As a parent you lose the freedom that you had before, such is the way of life. I just cant help but think that as a parent spending time in eve, you end up depriving your family somehow regardless.
Then again don't mind me, I have different ideas on how society should be run.
As far as the laptop and hardware reqs jumping, I still stand my ground on this. You can buy a new pc for under 600 dollars that will run eve maxxed, much less buying a pc that can run it in premium lite. Laptops your SOL on... even my brothers brand new laptop has a hard time with classic client so I dont see what the big deal is with running it on a laptop anyways as you cant really do anything too serious unless you invest a huge some of money. The mobility isn't worth it. |
Mikalya
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: rValdez5987 oh christ from reading this thread, I can already see the fail in it. This will be the last time I post in here because Im seriously getting ****ed off.
Its not CCP's fault that your stupid *** bought a laptop rather then a desktop which is CHEAPER and can be upgraded.
Its not CCP's fault that your married, have children, and your wife has you wrapped around her finger. TBH if thats how your living, quit eve, its not something you can realistically afford.
It's not CCP's fault that money is tight for you. If its really that tight that you cant upgrade your pc at any given time, please stop gaming. Its a hobby that you frankly cannot afford.
Im sorry to be rude like this, But Im sick and tired of people *****ing and trying to stop progress of everything because they are too lazy, too stupid, or lack the control over their own life to take charge, do whats gotta be done, and get a working and up to date box to game on.
Wow, you seriously should take some anger management classes
The laptop is 1.5 years old, a "gift" from my position at work. It wasn't cheap, it wasn't junk. It is plenty powerful enough to run about anything I need/use it for. But it, like almost all laptops more than a year old, DOES NOT support shader 3. You would be fascinated how many desktops don't either
So the question remains: Does CCP want to be even a more niche game requiring hardware components that a large number of their potential clients cannot meet, or will they understand that the economy is in the tank and people aren't going to upgrade equipment just to play a game? Obsidian took the "You need XX specs to play" with NWN 2 about 2 years ago; its sad that NWN1 is STILL outselling NWN2, and has almost 10 times the number of players online at any time. Sad considering its an 8 year old game compared to a 2 year old game....
And yes, prettier graphics is why Obsidian did it. Pretty graphics mean nothing if you can't play and can't afford to replace the equipment to allow you to. |
Szu Chang
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:49:00 -
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Edited by: Szu Chang on 14/01/2009 03:53:16 I like that CCP want us to all have the beauty of Premium graphics, but I feel that its not 100% viable, I am now on a not so good PC (good one got nicked) and this an an ATi Radeon 9250, I maybe able to upgrade come march, but I was made redundant, so money is starting to become tight, and I would have probably taken a break from EVE, if I had not gotten a job before my GTC runs out on patch day, but now it seems with the new graphics, it means that I will no longer be able to play until I am able to get up savings to buy a new PC, as that I have to upgrade the RAM, Motherboard and Processor, especially with the move to the SM3 graphics.
MY SPECS CPU: Intel Pentium 4 , 1.70 GHz Video: Plug and Play Monitor on ATi Radeon 9250 (1280x1024x32bpp 60Hz) Sound: Intel(r) Integrated Audio Memory: 448MB SDRAM (forgot Hz speed) |
rValdez5987
Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sean Roach A laptop means never having to wait until you get home to use your computer.
Originally by: rValdez5987
Buy a desktop pc. Its cheaper, and you get a lot more functionality out of it. I really dont understand the laptop craze, since they were really meant more for work and mobility, then gaming and games don't really belong on them tbh.
I have a laptop. However, Unless I am at home, Im sure as hell not playing EVE. I dont need to login to eve from work, or university, or wherever. I set my skills to come out around the time that i wake up, the time im about to fall asleep, or a time that i know ill be home at come hell or high water. If the worst happens, I let a skill go unchanged. My laptop is used strictly for business, as all should be. |
Xori Ruscuv
Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 03:50:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 14/01/2009 03:51:36
Originally by: Kessiaan as Intel's GMA series is the only graphics chipset in common use that's still being installed on new computers that only supports SM2
Yes, I know it's a crap chipset but given the goals outlined in the devblog it would be an ideal minimum standard.
This.
@ all the "omg I know so much about computers" types that seem to miss this simple fact. Or the ones whose rich mommies bought them alienware crap for their brief ventures out of their basements.
Originally by: rValdez5987 I have a laptop. However, Unless I am at home, Im sure as hell not playing EVE. I dont need to login to eve from work, or university, or wherever. I set my skills to come out around the time that i wake up, the time im about to fall asleep, or a time that i know ill be home at come hell or high water. If the worst happens, I let a skill go unchanged. My laptop is used strictly for business, as all should be.
Goooood for you, spanky! Did it ever occur to you that few people live lives identical to your own?
It just so happens that CCP wishes to satisfy customers other than just you (or your clones, apparently!) |
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