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Wolfthing Black
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Posted - 2009.01.14 12:00:00 -
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I can see the point, but it doesn't stop this filling me with dread.
The reason I'm playing Eve is because I bought a new laptop (HP Pavilion Multimedia tx2000, AMD Turion 64x2 mobile, 2Gb RAM) and wanted to see what it was capabale of - I've been hooked ever since.
Now granted, I have to run the standard graphics version of the client - I can even get away with running two in "windowed" mode.
This machien doesn't have a whizzy graphics card - and is not capabale of upgrade, what with it being a laptop.
If you wanted to parallel run the new client, drop me an e-mail and I'll gladly try it out - but DON'T drop the old client until the new one has been proved! |
Trojanman190
Yultani Advanced Research
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Posted - 2009.01.14 12:04:00 -
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I'm currently part of a software project that is running dual development pipelines and it sucks... Condensing eve to single branch is absolutely the best way to go about things. I run two premium accounts so the rest of the blog does not really effect me, but faster fixes and improvements to the engine is always a good thing. |
Akima Kumiko
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Posted - 2009.01.14 12:07:00 -
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Any news regarding Linux?
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.14 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Marshal on 14/01/2009 12:13:44
 Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: Sky Marshal
Tl;dr whine
No matter how many times you people are told something you insist on sticking your head in the sand and refuse to learn or accept the truth. For the last damned time. Vista is Windows 6 and Windows 7 is actually Win 6.1. Windows 7 is nothing more than an upgrade to Vista. The rest of your whine is meaningless because you're ignorant.
Did I say that Windows 7 pwns ?
No.
I said "CCP probably think something like [it was] for Vista, who everyone said it will be in all PCs and will make everyone upgrade their computer.".
I admit, I am not a pro in english. So I will rewrite it for you : I said that the CCP estimation for the usage of 3.0 SM cards probably take in consideration the launch of Windows 7 in mid-2009, who will require new hardware anyway, to be so optimistic. 97% of 3.0 cards at end-2009 is totally unrealistic.
You are right about Windows 7 but same with that, it exists a real demand about this version, as Microsoft stated that 7 will be nearly what Vista would be at the first place. Better performance than Vista etc... I doubt of it but we will see.
So go complaining badly against whines in an another topic. If you don't like it, I suggest you to go in a game where there are less of them. Can I have your stuff before you go ? I will use it correctly, I swear it :)
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CCP deserves only disrespect and hatred for all nerfs since Empyrean Age. |
DarkonRhoe
Ergo Abstergo
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Posted - 2009.01.14 12:18:00 -
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looks sad as his 386.
Guess i gonna need a upgrade than huh?
A well all JK aside PErsonnaly this aiont a problem for me but I do know that a lot of people run EVE on a laptop or older rig. So I would think some thought about this might be wise. |
sxndy
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.14 12:32:00 -
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Will I still be able to run 3 clients on my mobile phone? |
Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2009.01.14 12:40:00 -
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Well .... it sounds cool but I bought a 400 dollar Netbook pretty much just so I can mine on my alt when I am at work... As long as I can still play Eve on an Intel 945M mobile Gfx I am happy. My main rig is spyder platform with all the fixin's and will run 3 Clients in Premium with all Eye Candy at max over 70 FPS so w/e... just don't kill my mining netbook haha
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Golden Gnu
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.14 12:43:00 -
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Apparently my secondary computers graphic card only support Pixel shader 2 (It's an ATI X700)
Conclusion: Don't EVER remove pixel shader 2 compatibility, please with sugar on the top :)
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2009.01.14 12:44:00 -
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wait so my really pretty game is going to be more pretty?
for those that don't want to get a shader model 2 graphics card apparently their is a program called "swiftshader" that'll pretend you have a shader model 2 graphics card you just lose some fps apparently shader model 3 can't be done.... atleast that gives you till december to get a cheap graphics card that'll run shader model 3 :)
it may or may not work it may or may not kill your computer and it's totally not my fault if your computer explodes/melts/crashes/falls apart/grows legs and runs away
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Gebher'el
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 12:45:00 -
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I have read some of this thread and I must say what I am reading amazes me. As a computer professional specializing in home users the number of people that are gaming on cheap laptops really suprises me.
Now reading the blog I understand where they are goin. Right now every patch requires two times the work and effort. Think about that guys. If we reduce out the redundent client CCP can put more content and quality control into every patch without needing to increase manpower or cost. Additionally they could if they choose stay with the same level of quality control and content and pump out a third or even 4th expansion each year.
Plus if you play any modern games you already are facing this issue. Every other MMO is moving in this direction and all stand alone games are already there. If you are so loathe to upgrade then you will be stuck playing a few old games and that will be it.
For stand alone computers, not latops, this is not that big a deal. Shader 3 cards come in many price ranges and even the cheap ones today do a great job. As for laptop users, if you are running Intel graphics what are you thinking. That level of laptop was NEVER considered a gaming machine. Before I hear the whines on price, I have an AMD Puma based laptop sitting on my desk beside me that runs EVE Premium now and the cost was $700. Not a ton of money where a laptop is concerned.
I see this as a potential win for those of us that play Eve as it means the folks at CCP can free resources for a better game. Sure it means some people need to upgrade but when has that not been an issue in any computer game? If the ONLY reason you play Eve is the system requirements then you need an upgrade bad to enjoy the rest of the gaming world. If you play Eve for the content, community and becuse you just love the game then this is not a big deal.
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Mallikanth
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Posted - 2009.01.14 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gebher'el
Sensible stuff said
I totally agree. Go for it CCP. 
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Crass Spektakel
Coreward Technologies
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:01:00 -
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Do you know which action game is the most played one?
http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/
No, it is not Farcry2, also not Halflife2, it is...
COUNTERSTRIKE.
Yes, that old meany from 12 years ago is still the most played game on earth, it has more players than all other games united.
Imagine that, 12 years old graphics, 12 years old levels... 12 years and people play it ten times more than the new Counterstrike Source.
And it makes sense: You can play it on every computer imaginable, it runs well even on a Pentium133 without 3D-graphics. This is a big plus because people can meet somewhere and use nearly every imaginable computer for a small lan party.
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Navtiqes
Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:06:00 -
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A hearty YES to discontinuing shader 2.0 by 2010 if it means we'll get more content faster. |
Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:09:00 -
[464]
Erm, since when does the Amiga support pixel shaders?
Anyway, my current machine runs EVE classic just fine, even in big fleets, but does not support shader model 2.
So I either have to find a shader model 2 card which fits into my computer or I have to get a whole new machine (which I was planing to get when ambulation hits the streets).
In these economic times, why not wait until the winter expansion instead of giving us less than two months notice that we might need whole new machines to continue playing eve? |
sullo25
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:16:00 -
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all i can say after reading this forum is that it seems ccp unlike most other companies can do without current users money who are on older systems.At this time the economy in most countries is F***ed and there trying to lose customers by removing there ability to play the game.is their money not as good as premium users money?.i know a lot of people struggle just to pay the montly fee at the moment, now your asking them to fork out more cash so you can reduce your workload and costs and increase ur profits.If you do go ahead with this patch are you going to lower the cost of the subscription as you have less work to do looking after the classic content and now only have to concentrate on the premium????only fair. |
Jake Maverick
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:16:00 -
[466]
Originally by: Gebher'el
Intelligent conversation (rare in forums).
I agree with you... to a point. Take into consideration if you will, my age. I am 22 years old; I was born into the internet revolution. Silicon runs through my blood. I am A+ and CCNA lvl3 (so far) certified. I love playing with computers, cars, R/C plane etc... But most of all what I like to do is build computers and play Eve. So naturally I have all the latest hardware and don't care if CCP drops the low client entirely. Now take into consideration the average player age in EVE. Reading from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVE_Online I found it to be 27 (under Demographics) This means for every anoying 8 year old (not all of them are annoying..no offence if you are 8 and reading this) there is a player older than 27. From my experience I am one of the youngest members of my alliance. The point I am trying to make here is that a lot of people get set in their ways. Joe Eve player, a 47 year old construction worker from Montana has no idea what a shader is. His son probably got him hooked on the game and that was that. He is not going to go out and buy new PC hardware and upgrade it. He just won't care enough. The danger I am seeing is that EVE will lose a lot of the players that just don't give (insert explative here) about their hardware. my only concern is my little mining netbook I will weep openly for at least a minute if I can't use it for the only thing I bought it for. haha |
Gadawan
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:18:00 -
[467]
Originally by: Crass Spektakel
Do you know which action game is the most played one?
http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/
No, it is not Farcry2, also not Halflife2, it is...
COUNTERSTRIKE.
Yes, that old meany from 12 years ago is still the most played game on earth, it has more players than all other games united.
Imagine that, 12 years old graphics, 12 years old levels... 12 years and people play it ten times more than the new Counterstrike Source.
And it makes sense: You can play it on every computer imaginable, it runs well even on a Pentium133 without 3D-graphics. This is a big plus because people can meet somewhere and use nearly every imaginable computer for a small lan party.
It's not played because of low system recuirements.
Get your facts straight. |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:18:00 -
[468]
Originally by: Gebher'el
As for laptop users, if you are running Intel graphics what are you thinking.
What we were thinking was "Laptops are handy things to carry around or tuck down the side of the sofa. Oh look, it'll even let me log into Eve and change a skill, do some industrial housework or chat with my friends".
When someone says "people shouldn't play games on laptops" I'm inclined to agree. They are by and large not suitable for various reasons.
However a lot of us aren't "playing" Eve on them. We use them as a convenience for a bit of light work or a way to stay in touch with friends. It's not a major problem for us if we can't do that but it is annoying. I'm not going to spend ú500 quid on a new laptop just so that I can log on. It makes no sense. |
Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:21:00 -
[469]
So everyone here wants eve to drag behind because some people can't afford ú50 for a new graphics card?
And at the laptop issue: if you bought a laptop to do your gaming and never got a decent card with it then fool on you tbh. |
Korerin Mayul
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:31:00 -
[470]
Easier job for the artists: good
Unified artwork assets: great!
killing SM2, (still in wide use): BAD!
maby in a few more years where were raytraceing everything and dont need to run SETI @ home anymore :D |
Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:32:00 -
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Now I'm a bit confused, as I have a GeForce FX 5900 card which according to NVIDIA supports ShaderModel 2, but I'm sure that it only supported PixelShader 1.3 when I bought it and I don't think it is something which can be update with driver changes. |
Daan Sai
Polytrope
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:34:00 -
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Away from home I run classic under wine in Ubuntu on my solid state Eeepc 901 netbook, with it's 2 watt atom cpu and 7.5 watt integrated intel 945 graphics. (Well without texture maps, but meh, all the ships are white) It is good for logging in and skill changing etc.
Hopefully Prem lite will be able to be trimmed right down, I'd hate to lose the ability to catch those annoying 8 hour skill changes.
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Cabernetter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:36:00 -
[473]
With the economy in the US as it is, President Obama will likely roll over the Section 179 expense limit to tax year 2009.
So for those in the US, perhaps 2009 will be a good year to buy a new computer and expense it under 179. |
Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Marshal on 14/01/2009 13:40:41
Originally by: Gebher'el
As for laptop users, if you are running Intel graphics what are you thinking. That level of laptop was NEVER considered a gaming machine.
This part of your text I am reading amazes me.
There was a day than the same words was applied to... personal computers.
PC are not meaning to play games. Buy a console ! They are less expensive and more powerful (Megadrive, Playstation, etc...).
This changed. PC are no more considered only as a workstation for companies, but also as a good game system.
I don't see why laptops, specialy expensive ones who have good graphics chipset, can't be used to play. As you said yourself, you have a laptop who can run Eve Premium. They still have some problems, but they are manageable and corrected with time in newer models.
Opinions changes with time. |
Koyama Ise
Caldari
Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:46:00 -
[475]
Originally by: makanesi
Does this mean premium graphics will finally come to the mac?
Yes. MAC Premium Graphics Public Beta Now Open |
Murdock Jern
Caldari
Gears of Progress
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:49:00 -
[476]
Edited by: Murdock Jern on 14/01/2009 13:50:07
I think that Gebher'el's comments were very balanced and kinda sums up my thinking of the project.
Although I will probably not be able to run the client on my netbook (which i only do to change skills and chat with my corp while on holiday... I would NEVER dream of undocking on it) I can understand the commercial reasons why they are streamlining the graphics development. I suspect that once it is deployed we will see a huge leap in new features and capabilities, as the amount of work involved in looking after two clients will be reduced.
If CCP is reading this, I would simply suggest that the user base is sampled to asses the impact of changing the floor spec so they can assess the impact, as I am sure they already have. And I also believe that, by the time they start to sunset PS2 in 2010, most of us will already be on hardware that supports it, or in the worst case scenario, CCP might be able to provide some software based workarounds to emulate PS3 on a PS2 environment. And yes, I predict that wont happen until next year... their ambitions and the reality will be very different, I predict.
I personally endorse this move. It will make Eve an even more visually stunning experience and will help create a larger and more robust universe. And by the time it starts to bite some of us regarding hardware, we will probably already be there
You can't halt the gears of progress
Apologies for the shameless corporation plug
MJ
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PinkyPie
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: PinkyPie on 14/01/2009 13:49:54
Main thing is today if you want to upgrade your systems most probably buying a new system is the best solution, since upgrading to a higher end graphics card requires more psu, then it will need cooling systems, then you have to struggle if your motherboard doesn't tunes with the card and other stuff.
This costs real money not isk, i can run premium client on my machine but i run classic client because that way i can run two clients simultaneously which that is not even remotely possible with premium.
IMO if premium lite is almost as heavy as premium then it will be hard for many folks to just quit it.
I don't understand when there are so many things to correct in eve, improve performance then why CCP goes on to increase graphics card requirement every few months.
There are lots of other good games out there which require such type of graphics card, and if i am upgrading my system then i can as well switch to those games. |
Corben Rukh
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Posted - 2009.01.14 13:53:00 -
[478]
Since you were asking for answers from people affected by the posted changes:
i currently run a ATI X800. That one supports Shader Model 2.0 and so i'm not affected by the changes in Apocrypha, but very much affected by the consideration of discontinuing SM 2.0 support in q4.
I can currently run all the games i play with the x800, and, since i don't have that much time to play anyway, i don't see that changing during the year. I also will _not_ upgrade/change my hardware because of changed requirements of one game (although that one's one of my favourites).
So, if you really decide to discontinue your support of SM 2.0 in late '09, i will discontinue my support of your game. Not an easy decision, 'cause EVE has been my favourite gaming pasttime for over 2 years now, but sorry, no; i will not pay a considerable amount of money for new hardware just to be able to continue playing. |
Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:09:00 -
[479]
GeForce 8400GS (PCI-E), shader model 4.0 = ú25
GeForce 6200 (AGP), shader model 3.0 = ú31
Not exactly record breaking amounts of money to spend to keep CCP's production costs down and make eve a better game for everyone. |
Amitious Turkey
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.01.14 14:09:00 -
[480]
Originally by: Batolemaeus
Edited by: Batolemaeus on 13/01/2009 19:09:09
Actually think i might make a long reply later, but for now, this will be enough:
<3
Reason why i post this is mostly the utter confusion about classic, premium, and premium running classic (!, not the same as classic!) among people. And if even i can afford a sm2 capable card, so can probably everyone else. (The price of even a sm3 capable card is currently less than a 60d gtc)
Eve might not run on some laptops though..
Yeah, you can't upgrade laptop graphics cards...or can you, and I have just not found a way?
Bought a new laptop recently, but its graphics card isn't on wikipedia's chart. It's "Intel express chipset" or somesuch...and it has a hard time with explosions, and, I think, shading. It aint meant for the uber games, and I didn't need onefor that...but now I'm worried I won't be able to play Eve *cries*
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