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Scilent Enigma
Minmatar Vae Victis Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:25:00 -
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the idea is understandable, but since the gfx card in my laptop only supports shader 2.0 it would mean that by the winter next year (if I don't manage get a new computer by then) I won't be able to play EVE.
TBH, from a work perspective for CCP I can fully understand discontinuing the classic client content. Though I'm hoping you make the Premium Lite version even more streamlined than the classic one. |
Ted Grayham
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: gerbiless Where on theese pages did you miss that many of us are playing on laptops?
Most. Though it's the same story there, really. If it's a laptop remotely developed to at least have a concept of games, it probably supports SM2. If not, I'm sorry, but I'm still glad they're moving on, ensuring more and better content in the future.
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gerbiless
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:28:00 -
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Take me for an example... I have 4 accounts that i happily pay for every month, and I always take my laptop with me where ever I go. I ALWAYS play eve... (oki.. a bit ******ed, but hey! ) If I have to buy a new computer, I won't be able to play this game anymore.. and that is hard cash from just one person..
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Gner Dechast
Flashman Services
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ted Grayham
Originally by: Somal Thunder
Originally by: Bibi Edited by: Bibi on 14/01/2009 19:12:44 yes I know Island got hit the worst of all of the European countries thats why its even LESS understandable that ccp announce something like this at this time that has to do with people spending even more money to be able to play their computer game!!
WTF is that ?
It's more economic for CCP to just have to pay for the development of one client instead of two.
This, and the fact that a cheap videocard with SM2 or even 3 support costs VERY little. If you can't afford it, you probably don't really afford EVE in the first place. That's just how it is with a platform in constant development, such as the PC. Some things grow too old, and you can't expect everyone to wait for you to catch up.
So you can quarantee that simple GFX card purchase will enable keep on running 5 clients on said machine?
Don't be a tool, fool. There is great variety of reasons out there for people and their hardware to be alarmed about this. -- No expansions before holidays and no release until QA gives it's approval |
Bibi
Basic Tritanium Mining North
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:30:00 -
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OH yes I know you think that!! what if people stop playing the game instead of upgrading ???
its not that hard to add and up and understand how the RL works
People need to eat and pay their bills and extra stuff such as eve comes second
in bad times what do you really think people do cut subscription to a computer game or cut their milk,food expences.
That can have a nasty effect on eve as well so there is NO room for stupid announcements that say oh HEY you need to upgrade your computer to continue play our game maybe... that not clever to tell subscribers that has to eat like the rest of the RL word!!
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Grismar
Gallente The Establishment
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:31:00 -
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Adding another voice to the choir: I wasn't exactly planning on upgrading the box that runs my second account, whenever I use them concurrently. That box does what it needs to do just fine and I suppose getting rid of the second account will be good for my bank balance too... So, I guess thanks in advance, CPP :)
Fly well and have fun, Grismar.
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gerbiless
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ted Grayham
Originally by: gerbiless Where on theese pages did you miss that many of us are playing on laptops?
Most. Though it's the same story there, really. If it's a laptop remotely developed to at least have a concept of games, it probably supports SM2. If not, I'm sorry, but I'm still glad they're moving on, ensuring more and better content in the future.
"Moving on??" .. why not get things fixed before moving on... ;)
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Ted Grayham
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gner Dechast So you can quarantee that simple GFX card purchase will enable keep on running 5 clients on said machine?
Don't be a tool, fool. There is great variety of reasons out there for people and their hardware to be alarmed about this.
(Tool, fool? *shrug*)
I can guarantee that if you do a bit of research (ie. at http://www.tomshardware.com/us/#redir) you'll find something that can. Especially if you turn the graphics down, which you do with classic anyway.
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gerbiless
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Bibi OH yes I know you think that!! what if people stop playing the game instead of upgrading ???
its not that hard to add and up and understand how the RL works
People need to eat and pay their bills and extra stuff such as eve comes second
in bad times what do you really think people do cut subscription to a computer game or cut their milk,food expences.
That can have a nasty effect on eve as well so there is NO room for stupid announcements that say oh HEY you need to upgrade your computer to continue play our game maybe... that not clever to tell subscribers that has to eat like the rest of the RL word!!
Agree totally...
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gerbiless
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: gerbiless on 14/01/2009 19:40:31 This is a it like...hmm.. Okay.. I'm a chef irl. well. the economy is bad so we raises the price on our meals... that sounds right? ;) |
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Pichonsita
Caldari FILTHY MINKY CORP
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:41:00 -
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im aware of this graficc expancion turning clasic to the trash and giving this momentarly "lite" premium client
so far so good, the requeriments for this one are cheap to acomplish if someone wants to play eve
but then puting only full premium grafics on? come on? if thats so i will cancel my subscription right now.
many countrys (specially latin amaericans, im from Argentina) have their country whit the dolar devaluated, and only rich ppl have acces to last grafic technology, is not fair for us, iw as paying the game for 2 years and now u guys are telling "upgraded it or be fuked up?".
if u want an upgrade jsut turn off clasic put little premium on, and run both.
i saw the blog, u think 3%-5% ppl will ahve all their comps upgraded for winter of this year? u are damm wrong! how many ppl run clasic when they can run premium because they got faster gameplay? u think thats gona help?
if u do that, (im sure of what im gona say now), ppl wills tart complaying that large scale fleets are freaking laggy, jita would be hell in earth.
so yea, all to shiny, beatifull. but i cant run it, so how we go for that ppl? just fuk em up?
no more to say. I cant upgrade my computer, i just buyed more ram for my comp (now i got 1gb) and cost me a lot of money here. put urself on my situation, u think i can spent 100 dolars + per month? when the money (for example) here is 1 dolar = $3.50 of local money (pesos)?
think about that when u guys go sleep, specially the devs. some ppl can others cant, why not find a solution for all, and not a solution for somes? |
Rufus MacMaranth
Gallente Shadow Front
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:42:00 -
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I have to add my voice against SM 3.0 only at the end of the year. SM 2.0 I can live with (Dell laptop user here, so upgrading the GFX card to support SM3.0 is not necessarily an option.)
Discontinuing support for hardware that is less than 5 years old is just dumb. We are not all in a position to rush out and buy a new PC before Christmas this year just to play EVE.
I don't expect CCP to forcibly discontinue my EVE gaming experience with less than 12 months notice for reasons that are internal to their development. At least if I was playing a single player boxed game I could still play the old game and not just buy the new one, but no .. this would stop me playing at all. Not good.
The current recommended specifications for the game do not even require SM3.0 so, wtf, if someone started playing today you may be stopping them playing by the end of the year. wtg.
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farfrael
Freelancer Union Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:43:00 -
[583]
linux, linux, linux, linux ... ?
How long are you going to ignore the question CCP? If you are going to drop support JUST ****ING SAY IT! |
gerbiless
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:51:00 -
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This starts to become a "taking a dump in your own glove thing".. Reconsider...
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Alun Flynn
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Posted - 2009.01.14 19:54:00 -
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Can do SM2. Can't do SM3. Laptop. |
durebel1
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:00:00 -
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EVE needs to keep support for some of the older hardware so that people that cant afford the upgrade can still play the game, but when you look at the user base, I would guess that there are only a small percent of people that have a true high end computers to play EVE on and much less can afford it. |
Bibi
Basic Tritanium Mining North
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:00:00 -
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Ted Grayham
If I got enough money to play this game or not its not really intresting facts here Ted
please dont type any more Ted I dont discuss with character like you... your to smart for me...
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Straight Chillen
Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:00:00 -
[588]
I really think CCP should do a hardware survey before they roll this out. I think the results would clarify the impact of this change. I for one see CCP losing more in revenue, then they will be saving by working on one client. |
Xailia
Unsteady Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: farfrael linux, linux, linux, linux ... ?
How long are you going to ignore the question CCP? If you are going to drop support JUST ****ING SAY IT!
They won't.
IIRC "Windows, Linux, Mac" will be listed on the boxed version of Apocrypha. |
Gner Dechast
Flashman Services
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Straight Chillen I really think CCP should do a hardware survey before they roll this out. I think the results would clarify the impact of this change. I for one see CCP losing more in revenue, then they will be saving by working on one client.
Ofcourse doing mere hardware survey would make the faulty assumption that everyone with capable machine would be willing to use the premium client...
But like with majority of your posts here and elsewhere, I tend to agree with you - CCP should do a fact finding mission, because they can and it's the right thing to do.
I repeat myself - minor update to the client and it sends you userID and classic/premium identifier (+is/is not premium capable) each time a logon is made. Not only does it give results for all those that were active during the statistics period, but it also gives other useful bits of information. |
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Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:06:00 -
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I, for one, have an older computer and no money to replace it. This change will prohibit me from playing EVE and probably make me cancel my account. |
Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kaya Divine "making ShaderModel 2 (GeForce FX (5 series) or ATi R300 series cards or compatible) the minimum requirement and discontinue the "Classic client" version of EVE, replacing it with "Premium Lite""
Yet another CCP failure. I do hope that you will get alot of new players, because you will for sure lose huge chunk.
Not so much. I found the blog to be very forthcoming and reasonable. Announcing changes that make sense and even asking for feedback is hardly a failure. A failure would be to just do it and let people suck it up. |
Ted Grayham
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Bibi Ted Grayham
If I got enough money to play this game or not its not really intresting facts here Ted
please dont type any more Ted I dont discuss with character like you... your to smart for me...
I'm glad we agree. |
Professor Dumbledore
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:11:00 -
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This is ******ed you have to run the classic client if you want to multibox and you have to by you own stupid game mechanics so this new client better be as low resources as your current classic client or people will unsub in droves. This is your warning. |
Wardo21
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:26:00 -
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I haven't read all 20 pages, but whats the difference between the classic and premium lite if all you're changing is the shader model. (That's probably not the only change, but it will likely render my second box obsolete for Eve.)
Keep it classic version (with new and improved shader model 3!, or is it 2?).
99% of the time, I'm so far zoomed out away from my ship I don't see any shading or skins from my ship or any other. (Unless they pass in front of the camera's origin.)
I would rather have standard simple symbols (brackets only) to represent the ships and other objects sometimes. Rather than the rendered image backgrounds that win so many awards but are so hard on the eyes. The reddish orange cloud backdrop in Venilen is making my eyes water some nights. It also makes the UI hard to discern in many cases. Not enough contrast between the bright background and the white lettering. |
Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:32:00 -
[596]
Originally by: Somal Thunder
It's more economic for CCP to just have to pay for the development of one client instead of two.
If CCP only lose 5% of their playerbase who can't upgrade, that's over $2mil per year. That is a lot of Dev hours you can no longer afford. If it is more hours than are dedicated to maintaining the Classic client it will have to impact elsewhere also. |
Elnar Khad
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: Elnar Khad on 14/01/2009 20:34:08 I'll add my vote for not removing shader model 2.0 support. I play both my accounts on my laptop, which has an imbedded Intel 945GM card. If I can't play the game using my computer, I'll have to leave. Alot of us aren't going to be able to afford hardware upgrades (in the case of laptops, replacements) to feed our Eve habits. Thanks for a great game! (edited for spelling) |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:34:00 -
[598]
OMG!
NOOOOO your going to get rid of the quafe station FOREVER YOU SICK EVIL BASTARDS! |
Professor Dumbledore
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:35:00 -
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Id' rather them throw away the fancy ****ty graphics no one cares what the game looks like just so long as it plays you idiots. |
LordRyan77
Gallente Ooops Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 20:43:00 -
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My main PC is just over 2 years old but has no problem running 4 premium clients. I bought a used PC a couple of months since CCP lives in the dark ages and does not support Dual screens. The used PC had a hard time running classic. So I run 3 client(premium) on the main and 1 on the other(classic) to monitor chat and set training skills. I don't know anything about SM1,2 or 3.
If I can't use the second PC fine, I'll just drop 2 accounts. But if I can't run premium on main I'm dropping all. My main is a media center. Even though its 2 years old it seems to out preform most people's PCs. So I guess I need to find out which sm I am!
Forget all this where is my dual monitor support? |
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