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REALITY X
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:36:00 -
[1501]
Okay, this is what I did:
I went to Control Panel, System, Advanced, Startup and Recovery Settings, System Startup and clicked on Edit and Notepad opened up with this info inside:
[boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect
Does this mean my computer will be okay to reboot? I'm semi-computer illiterate, but I'm trying. Thanks.
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Nerogk Shorn
Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:36:00 -
[1502]
I run EVE on a Bootcamped MacBook Pro. I installed, and restarted my computer, and windows will not start due to the lack of this boot.ini. It says <windows root>\system32\hal.dll is missing or corrupt.
How do i fix this for my computer? How do i get onto windows to make the boot.ini fixes? What do I do....?
D-F-A-A-B-A-A-S
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:37:00 -
[1503]
Edited by: Kordesh on 06/12/2007 21:37:23
Originally by: Phrast I followed the guide and replaced my boot.ini but when I go to mscofig and click "check all bootpaths" I get:
It appears that the folling line in the BOOT.INI file does not refer to a valid operating system:
"multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP media Center Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect "
Would you like to Remove it from teh BOOT.INI file?
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SO can anyone help me out?
What version of XP do you have? ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
Ztrain
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:38:00 -
[1504]
Actually no. EULA's can very easily be legally pierced. Especially if actually damages are provable. Such as someone ata a company upgraded at work. Whether a person clicked on the EULA and loosely gave away their right to sue they can not remove OTHERS such as that companies right to sue. Two examples.
If a person downloads a virus, later it is discovered whom the author of that virus is the company can go after the author of that software for damages even if part of the virus pops up a dialogged box looking like a website and without looking that person clicks they agree to wipe out the comps HD.
Also legal precedent has been established especially in the medical field where if you sign away your right to sue for a procedure you can not legally sign away a 3rd party's right to sue on your behalf such as family members etc.
Will anyone ever sue CCP? Doubt it. Can they legally sue CCP in the US? Hell yes they have a Georgia based office. Would anyone actually be able to collect? Who knows or has the fogiest of ideas. Anything is possible when it comes down to law cases.
Bottom line is some people got screwed over by CCP staff's utter incompetence. You can ether justifiably quit the game or keep funding them. Hell I've canceled accounts several times and they've come to their senses from others comments and not changed that aspect of the game. But I'm sure people will find other games when a game screws up your computer by acts of incompetent negligence.
Z
Originally by: CCP Zulupark That's the rough idea, yes. We still have in no way started thinking about what modules to introduce, what they would do or anything of the likes, but the idea is that.
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Rupicolous
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:41:00 -
[1505]
Well .......... I'm posting again from an old backup rig cause my OS will not boot due to a " missing and/or corrupt " hal.dll file. I have read each and every post in this forum and still remain convinced that the only correct restoration process involves a hard drive retrieval and a new OS installation. If anyone can disagree and/or present another option it would be appreciated !!!
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Spacepox
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:41:00 -
[1506]
I couldnt reboot after the patch Riddle me this, I cant start windows it tells me <windows root>\system32\hal.dll is missing I am on a bootcamp partition on a mac. Im not sure how I can fix this.
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Dimitrios Ypsilanti
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:43:00 -
[1507]
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
Originally by: Stylom
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
So, I'm affected. What do I do now?
Comment
Comment
Comment.
There's no boot.ini file. The computer restarted but there's no boot.ini.
If you rebooted your computer already, you should be fine. If you're not seeing it you most likely don't have the folder set to display hidden system files. You will only see the boot.ini file if that is enabled.
Good idea but no. The boot.ini is definitly missing. The whole Startup / Control pannel / System / Advanced / Startup and Recovery / Settings informs me that the boot.ini file can't be opened.
Yet the computer started after turning it off last night.
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Dannerkongen
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:43:00 -
[1508]
I did this :
load windows cd. choose repair "R"
Then write this down on a piece of paper and type it in the console : bootcfg /rebuild
It will take a while!
then it comes with some questions! type this : ?#1 - 1 ?#2 - "anything" ?#3 - /fastdetect
thats it! then you type "exit" and it should start up in windows as normal. |
Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:44:00 -
[1509]
Originally by: Ztrain Actually no. EULA's can very easily be legally pierced. Especially if actually damages are provable. Such as someone ata a company upgraded at work. Whether a person clicked on the EULA and loosely gave away their right to sue they can not remove OTHERS such as that companies right to sue.
CCP would still not be liable. The employee would need to answer to the company for installing the program on the system.
Quote: If a person downloads a virus, later it is discovered whom the author of that virus is the company can go after the author of that software for damages even if part of the virus pops up a dialogged box looking like a website and without looking that person clicks they agree to wipe out the comps HD.
A virus is designed to intentionally harm a computer. It is not protected and is in fact restricted against specifically by law. This is not a good example.
Quote: Also legal precedent has been established especially in the medical field where if you sign away your right to sue for a procedure you can not legally sign away a 3rd party's right to sue on your behalf such as family members etc.
Unless the person playing had someone other than themselves accept the EULA, this doesn't matter. I'm not positive how 3rd parties on an account would work, but generally they are disallowed by the EULA in MMOs, and the first party would be considered in breech anyway.
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John Girdler
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:46:00 -
[1510]
Just adding my two cents.
Installed patch, played game, had some graphics issues so I downloaded and installed a new driver for my graphics card. Last step of driver installation is of course to reboot...
WTF!!
CCP how could you?
I am reinstalling Win XP as I type, VERY disappointed with CCP's QA.
If a person in the company I work for caused this much damage the loss of their job would be assured and their supervisor would get the axe as well.
I believe some sort of reparations are in order.
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Glassback
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:46:00 -
[1511]
So, this is what I'm confronted with on the first page of Eve-O...
6.12.2007 ALERT: READ THIS IF YOU INSTALLED TRINITY BEFORE 04:00 GMT ON DECEMBER 6
Those that meet ALL of the following criteria need to read the Update Fix Instructions and should NOT reboot their PC:
1. You started downloading the upgrade from Trinity Classic Graphics Content to Premium Graphics Content BEFORE 04:00 GMT on Dec 6 2. You must be using a version of Windows other than Vista. 3. You must have Windows installed not on the primary partition. 4. You must have at least 2 hard disks and the OS must be installed not on the primary, but the secondary hard disk
If all these apply, you MAY be affected by a known problem with the Graphics Update system.
Now, it's the fact that some of us have no idea what a partition is, let alone a primary one thats ****ing me off. Not all of us are ******* uber PC engineers, software engineers, network managers or some other IT related profession. It's the assumption that we know what to do thats fucled me off. What int he hell is a boot.ini anyway and why should I have to know anything about it?
Im lucky cause for some reason not known to me, my PC worked well enough to to be fixed by someone in my corp who know what to do. But if it didnt, I would have been ******.
Cheers guys.
G.
BH Kharnubis > Need more people against the MC meanies
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:46:00 -
[1512]
Originally by: Rupicolous Well .......... I'm posting again from an old backup rig cause my OS will not boot due to a " missing and/or corrupt " hal.dll file. I have read each and every post in this forum and still remain convinced that the only correct restoration process involves a hard drive retrieval and a new OS installation. If anyone can disagree and/or present another option it would be appreciated !!!
Another option is to simply do a repair install of XP which only reinstalls system files and as a general rule does not wipe the rest of the drive leaving your information intact. I would try replacing the hal.dll file first however. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
Kelenthin
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:47:00 -
[1513]
Originally by: Spork Witch I don't know what caused the issue in the first place, and to be honest, I can't think of what they could have done to cause it (but it wouldn't be the first time something completely random has happened, Windows does weird stuff sometimes.) The bigger issue is this: regardless of what CCP did, IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TOUCH THE FILE IN THE FIRST PLACE. If Windows came even close to being a decent OS, it wouldn't allow arbitrary modification of system critical files without confirmation. Granted the average ****** (i.e. 99% of the people that have access to computers) would just click accept anyway, but it should have at least come up saying something was trying to mess with it. Windows is the only OS I know of to ever allow ANYTHING to touch system files without permission.
Sorry for the rant, but yeah, it shouldn't have happened in the first place, but the blame isn't all on CCP either, since if MS did their job right for once it wouldn't have been possible in the first place.
Thank you. I couldn't have said it better myself. Again, Thank You!
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darthkalo
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:47:00 -
[1514]
Originally by: Miramie I hope your QA department has processes in place to stop anything like this hapening again, ever.
Like not having game files with names duplicating crucial system files names for example.
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:50:00 -
[1515]
Originally by: Glassback
3. You must have Windows installed not on the primary partition. 4. You must have at least 2 hard disks and the OS must be installed not on the primary, but the secondary hard disk
Those two do not make sense in context. That would only apply if the following read
If all these apply, you MAY NOT be affected by a known problem with the Graphics Update system.
but then the first 2 conditions would not apply? Did you copy that directly or type it? ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
Korran Minare
Gallente Spaced Cowboys
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:50:00 -
[1516]
Originally by: darthkalo
Originally by: Miramie I hope your QA department has processes in place to stop anything like this hapening again, ever.
Like not having game files with names duplicating crucial system files names for example.
AMEN, i thought this was hammered into programming students from day one, i guess not
Originally by: Korran Minare what would you put on space pizza anyway????
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:51:00 -
[1517]
Originally by: Kelenthin
Originally by: Spork Witch I don't know what caused the issue in the first place, and to be honest, I can't think of what they could have done to cause it (but it wouldn't be the first time something completely random has happened, Windows does weird stuff sometimes.) The bigger issue is this: regardless of what CCP did, IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TOUCH THE FILE IN THE FIRST PLACE. If Windows came even close to being a decent OS, it wouldn't allow arbitrary modification of system critical files without confirmation. Granted the average ****** (i.e. 99% of the people that have access to computers) would just click accept anyway, but it should have at least come up saying something was trying to mess with it. Windows is the only OS I know of to ever allow ANYTHING to touch system files without permission.
Sorry for the rant, but yeah, it shouldn't have happened in the first place, but the blame isn't all on CCP either, since if MS did their job right for once it wouldn't have been possible in the first place.
Thank you. I couldn't have said it better myself. Again, Thank You!
I do agree. Any other operating system would not have allowed you to touch that file without having specifically asked you permission even if you were logged in as administrator. ------------------------------------------- "What's it like being a turtle?" "It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce." (Hurray temp sig!) |
Hironashi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:51:00 -
[1518]
Trinity has destroyed my computer, BIOS cannot find the drive, nothing works that has been posted. I have lost all my contact information, I have been destroyed!
Thank You CCP
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Parthenemus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:52:00 -
[1519]
Originally by: CCP Mindstar Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download: Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" ) OR Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\) + Rename it to "boot.ini" + Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig" + Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths" + There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini. + Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
------------------------------------------------- i followed instructions, but i still do not have the boot.ini tab in msconfig?
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Kastar
Memphis Technologies Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:56:00 -
[1520]
honestly this issue has been a step too far. I was lucky that my system took a backup file to boot with instead. Many people aren't as fortunate.
I hope heads will roll for this. What do people say again about certain other MMO producing companies ? ... right One bridge too far ... -----------------------------------------------
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Be'rar
White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:58:00 -
[1521]
The boot.ini file would be loacted somewhere like "c:\boot.ini" right?
If that is the case, I havent had one for a long time . I deleted it a while ago when I was cleaning out some files that were accidently put into the root. It has booted fine for me.
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Jeka Mulani
Caldari Freelance Assassins Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:58:00 -
[1522]
Please let us know when the following has been done:
a. The genius who decided to name a game file after a critical system file has been fired.
b. The QA head has been fired for letting this pass.
c. You decide how you are going to provide reparations for the time it will take me and others to rebuild our files.
Sorry folks, but this is a real company and people get fired for doing stupid things like this.
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Yohanes Flame
Point-Zero SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:58:00 -
[1523]
CCP>People that do not know what a boot disk is.
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Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:58:00 -
[1524]
Originally by: Kordesh Any other operating system would not have allowed you to touch that file without having specifically asked you permission even if you were logged in as administrator.
WRONG! Mr. Kordesh, Please stop giving computer and legal advice.
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mishkof
Caldari eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:58:00 -
[1525]
Originally by: Kordesh
Pool of Radiance. The initially pressed disks would cause the game to uninstall system files when the game was uninstalled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pool_of_radiance#Pool_of_Radiance:_Ruins_of_Myth_Drannor
Final Fantasy XI also had a patch that caused systems to go down I believe
Either DAoC or EQ, I forget which. A virus had infected the patch server, and a trojan was being doled out with the patch for a good. Fortunately it was caught quickly and few were infected.
So kindly, please, STFU yourself.
You are a master debater.
None of your examples have any proof of any error generating patches like this one. A wiki article? I read the 4 major bugs that were all solviable by uninstalling the game.
Your last 2 are comical, especially in the third one. You cannot even pinpoint the problem to an actual GAME. I own a T2 BPO and have a Capital alt. Please hate/troll/smack me.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:58:00 -
[1526]
Originally by: Hironashi Trinity has destroyed my computer, BIOS cannot find the drive, nothing works that has been posted. I have lost all my contact information, I have been destroyed!
Thank You CCP
For a laugh, take a look at this guy's 'last posts'. -
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Captain Sidius
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:59:00 -
[1527]
Quote: You can also check for the presence of this file by clicking Start : Control Panel : System : Advanced : Startup and Recovery : Settings (third button down). Windows will alert you if the boot.ini file is missing.
Can someone tell me what that exact error message is. When went through those steps the alert replied: "The C:\Boot.ini file can not be opened. The Operating System and Timeout settings can not be changed."
Does this mean I still have the boot.ini file or not? Did I miss a step?
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Caiden Soul
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:00:00 -
[1528]
Originally by: Caiden Soul Edited by: Caiden Soul on 06/12/2007 21:09:39 Ok, I'll try again. RE. this post:
Quote: CCP Mindstar
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:01:00 - [100] - Quote --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download: Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" ) OR Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\) + Rename it to "boot.ini" + Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig" + Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths" + There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini. + Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool. -- The cake is a lie!
I followed this and if you rename the file "boot.ini" it fails to show the boot.ini tab when you run msconfig.
I know from my modding days in Dawn of War that .ini files are often named without the the .ini on the end. So I renamed the file just "boot" and voila, the "boot.ini" tab has appeared when I run msconfig.
Good so far but now when I run the "Check all boot paths" I get the choice of "Would you like to remove it from the boot.ini file?"
If I say no then it just cycles through the 14/15 times you get asked then then you exit back to where you were.
So I assume I must say Yes, but what happens then? will it offer to rebuild the boot.ini or what?
CCP MIndstar's post is innacurate and incomplete, what was the point of posting half the information. If you are going to post a solution post the complete thing from start to finish and have the correct naming conventions in there.
Can someone please update/complete his post.
Thanks
Ok, I've done it again and when I get the choice of "Would you like to remove it from the boot.ini file?" I say yes. I keep saying yes when asked as it's saying the path is wrong.
Eventually it stops asking and the path that is left is the correct one.
Click apply and the job is done.
The only thing now is to reboot to test it.....but I would rather leave this until absolutely necessary as it may not work.
Also am I right in re-naming the "boot.ini" to "boot"
So many questions and bugger all help from the devs
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Borksylvania
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:05:00 -
[1529]
i installed the patch last night, and just found out about this problem (since I never restart my computer) and am currently at work so I haven't had a chance to check if I was affected. But, my question is this, I have eve installed on a diffrent partition as windows, so in theory should I be affected? aka is the problem that the boot.ini is overwritten on the root of the drive that eve is installed on or is it that it actually overwrites the windows boot.ini no matter where eve is located.
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Stylom
Gallente Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:05:00 -
[1530]
maybe an in game help channel might be more effective than a forum thread - by the time someone makes a post - two pages have passed - can't we start a channel and get a dev or some isd peeps in there ?
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