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I spent the better part of a day on the feature page reading about each thing and what new content was being added. I'm a fan of EVE. But this UI is so central to everything, it's impossible to enjoy anything else. It sucks. It's implementation sucks, its buggy, laggy, one-window design sucks, and the fact that its being forced on us despite hundreds upon hundreds of complaints sucks. I'm not unsubbing - yet- but if I "am" driven away, there will be others.

Bon soir. (again)

Yonis Kador

I've been here for four years and only joined the forum yesterday

Didn't we go over this before? Going back to the old UI is a very valid suggestion. The new UI is like removing the wheels off a car. "Put the wheels back on" is the obvious solution to fixing the problem. Why is this such a poor suggestion?

I'll repeat this again so people can't miss it.

CCP doesn't care. They are going to outwait everyone on this. Unless you're really going to unsub, and I am seriously considering dropping 2 of my 3 subs, then you can't affect what they are doing.

You have to understand that organizationally, rolling back this change would be a huge amount of egg on the face for CCP. They aren't going to take that sort of responsibility. Notice, no one has apologized for launching a bug riddled and unoptimized system that neglected the user testing. No one is going to be accountable for this, and no one we're talking to is going to make a change.

So just give it up. They aren't going to turn things around.

Btw, where are the CSM through all of this? I thought they represented the players. Useless.

You're all just mad because the new inventory made your bots stop working.

You know why we never use drag drop in windows?

we use CTRL+C(X) and then CTRL+V

CCP MAKE THIS HAPPEN, give me "pick up items", "put items" jsut as I do with text, files ... if windows can decide that I want to paste text into notepad, and file into folder, geez make it so that I can "paste/move" items into current hangar.

I just found and fixed that problem about a minute ago, so it will be coming your way with the next client update. Sorry about the inconvenience.

first off, Soundwave the work you do talking to the community is excellent, i wouldn't dream of saying otherwise. the same goes to all the other CCP staff who do likewise, when the **** hits the fan your here listening to everybody vent, trying to help out, that's great, i just wish other staff would at least spend half an hour to an hour a day responding to questions on THEIR work (*cough* CCP Arrow and CCP Optimal *cough*) i know they must be busy but one hour to show that CCP is actually committed to keeping good communication with the player base - especially after incarna - would go much further than you or any other employee saying you don't know you didn't work on it.

now i'm sure this is going to get buried but here goes here are my personal concerns, starting with the really important general one.

first and most important, the process that's happened here is almost identical to incarna. CCP put something on the test server that wasn't ready for deployment, were told about issues over and over again in the feedback thread and then promptly ignored them all and made it mandatory. then to add insult to injury somebody at CCP decided to make a cut and paste support response for, which didn't answer the question asked, outright lies and then points out two things you can do and says "this'll fix it!" when it obviously doesn't.

the lie? "With it, you can more easily manage all of your inventory from one screen" you forgot to add unless you want to move it, then you'll have to scroll like there's no tomorrow if you have a decent number of assets or ships. And lets not mention the extra 5-20 seconds delay i'm experiencing every single time i dock or warp to a POS on a high end machine with a 100mb connection

the two things? why shift click and click the condense arrow of course! then it'll give you the same experience as before! whoever came up with this little gem obviously hasn't tried it, i challenge any one of you to hide the filter and tree system, and get the same functionality. go on. i'll wait.

This is poor communication pure and simple. as is the fact that you and everybody else at CCP seems to be trying their damnedest to ignore the great steaming pile of excrement in the room which is that the overwhelming majority of people on the forums? DO NOT WANT this system bugs or no bugs, they don't like it, it doesn't give the same functionality. most of the rational ones will agree some people will. and THAT is part of the problem, this new UI? isn't inherently good or bad, it's entirely situational and depends on what you do and how you do it for my CEO? it's good, for me? it's nigh useless, and instead of those people getting any sort of reasonable response or attempt at compromise we get what essentially boils down to "tough it's here to stay" which smacks of incarna yet again.

you say two systems aren't really an option? why. give us clear concise reasons. most of EVEs players are not stupid. most of us are professionals or at least adults who will listen to a rational argument. instead of just saying "we can't do it" tell us why not. also last time i checked it was plenty possible for - again - the whole incarna mess which again you said was mandatory and wouldn't be changed.

i really hope i'm wrong but it seems like this expansion is a huge step backwards not only as far as the inventory is concerned but also where CCPs direction is concerned.

to quote Hellmar from his devblog



please take 5 minutes and take the time to read that dev blog again and remind yourself of the mistakes and promises you made then.

Here i'll link it for you.

for me? i'm not mad, i'm genuinely sad about this backslide. and as it stands right now i'm not renewing my subs. that simple. no you can't have my stuff. kinda unfortunate that i've been playing for 5 years now, and the month before i hit 100mill SP on my main account you kill the fun i get from the game. i build things, i use my inventory ALL the time, it's by far my most used feature, and you've destroyed it. what was 20minutes work per character is now nearly double that because of all the scrolling, and then second takes because it wasn't scrolling, and then corrections because i dropped materials into the wrong hanger by mistake.

the least it would take to turn this around in my eyes? make the new inventory UI in station only, preferably an option to disable it completely.

the best result as far as i'm concerned? an option to disable it - as like i said some people like it AND an apology for yet again ignoring your players.

and on a side note how exactly do you expect to get more people to test things on SiSi when you make a habit of ignoring the feedback you get from them? really.

We've been busy taking in feedback about the Unified Inventory and figuring out what to tackle first, and how.

Hey guys

We should have another round of fixes/changes coming this Tuesday (Monday is a public holiday in Iceland). I'll post that list in the thread Tuesday morning.

You know why we never use drag drop in windows?

we use CTRL+C(X) and then CTRL+V

CCP MAKE THIS HAPPEN, give me "pick up items", "put items" jsut as I do with text, files ... if windows can decide that I want to paste text into notepad, and file into folder, geez make it so that I can "paste/move" items into current hangar.

For like the 30th time, rolling back to the old UI and hammering out a function Unified Inventory on the test server *IS* an extremely valid and meaningful suggestion. This should have never left the test server, and honestly, I do believe that scrapping it IS the better solution.

Most players don't want to beta test something on a live server. Especially after everyone that beta tested it on the test server wrote up all the reasons that it's ******* stupid. CCP didn't bother addressing jack **** until it hit live. That's definitely NOT how you're supposed to do this sort of stuff. If they can't be ****** to improve the "feature" on the test server, obviously they don't give a **** about their player base anymore, and it's become a game of office politics. The Unified Inventory is someones pet project and will get rammed through, damn the consequences.


yeah m8... i was thinking that some massive share holders son or daughter got a job at CCP and this ***** what they came up with................in a word................nepatism :( its the downfall of all good things