I'm saying they don't need a tank buff because they're fine as they are.

No, the low level ones are useless and have no purpose. The only reason Macks are flown is because of their ice bonus.

CCP is trying to make all of them have a reason to fly. They just need to (possibly) work on the details.

eh mining is some of the worst income in game.... and now that they will be free to afk mine again lowends should crash making their income god awful again.

And yet they're giving the Hulk a tank buff, stealing thunder from the Skiff's role.
And yet they're giving the Skiff an enormous Ore bay, stealing thunder from the Mackinaw's role.
And yet they're giving the Mack a bigger tank buff than the new Hulk and better Yield than the new Skiff, stealing thunder from both.

A tanky ship, a cargoey ship, and a yield ship. Those are great. But make it a choice (though it's still certainly handholding because the Hulk could have done it).

The Tanky ship has an enormous Cargo.
The Cargoey ship has a pretty big Tank.
The Yield ship also has a pretty big Tank.

Why?

The new Hulk should be pretty flimsy, as should the new Mack. The Skiff shouldn't have an enormous Ore bay on top of its massive tank.

If you're gonna give each ship a role, don't diminish the value of the other roles.

And yet they're giving the Hulk a tank buff, stealing thunder from the Skiff's role.
And yet they're giving the Skiff an enormous Ore bay, stealing thunder from the Mackinaw's role.
And yet they're giving the Mack a bigger tank buff than the new Hulk and better Yield than the new Skiff, stealing thunder from both.

A tanky ship, a cargoey ship, and a yield ship. Those are great. But make it a choice (though it's still certainly handholding because the Hulk could have done it).

The Tanky ship has an enormous Cargo.
The Cargoey ship has a pretty big Tank.
The Yield ship also has a pretty big Tank.

Why?

The new Hulk should be pretty flimsy, as should the new Mack. The Skiff shouldn't have an enormous Ore bay on top of its massive tank.

If you're gonna give each ship a role, don't diminish the value of the other roles.

I would like to know where it is written that you have to make money ganking a miner?
I imagine after this change CCP is telling all of you the same thing.
In fact reading between the lines of dev speak it seems it was never intended to be able to make isk while ganking miners.

Note none of these new barges are gank proof. So quite your whinning and adapt.
Players can still effect their own economies of scale but they just can not do it as a career. Unless....

The only reason Ganking Hulks is profitable is the fact that Miners are too lazy to tank their ships.

Now, they won't have to do anything to do so.

A properly fit Hulk cannot be profitably ganked.

I'm saying they don't need a tank buff because they're fine as they are.

Instead of giving mining ships a unique role and letting the miner determine which tool is the best for the job we're just going to make them all the same and let the trisomy 32 miners fly the 500mill isk ship that is clearly the best because it costs 500mill isk.

CCP is making EVE into MLP Online. High sec is going to become 100% safe haven for miners and the botters are going to grow in such numbers it is going to be stupid silly.

Clearly they aren't fine as they are or CCP wouldn't be devoting their time to re-balancing them. I know, I know, you and your ilk are far better equipped to determine what CCP should be devoting their time to than the people who actually run the company, but you're just regurgitating the same tired rhetoric over and over at this point. Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time?

Wow remember Incarna just because CCP does something doesn't mean its the right thing to do.

So... the moral of the story is that the Big Bad Wolf has gone from being a windbag to a crybaby?

Nope, this Big Bad Wolf will probably go back to ganking haulers. (until Crimewatch kills that profession off)

But is he wrong?

Nope.

Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked.

Yes, he's completely wrong. They're not buffing the tank on the Hulk: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1481903#post1481903

They're just shrinking the cargo hold and adding an ore hold, which cargo expanders won't have an affect on.

If miners fit a hulk for max yield, they'll still have a wafer thin tank. The other mining vessels will be more tanky, so miners will have a bit more choice, but how is that a bad thing?

Gankers were already handed both the Tornado and a destroyer buff. This is just balance.

Yes, he's completely wrong. They're not buffing the tank on the Hulk: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1481903#post1481903

They're just shrinking the cargo hold and adding an ore hold, which cargo expanders won't have an affect on.

If miners fit a hulk for max yield, they'll still have a wafer thin tank. The other mining vessels will be more tanky, so miners will have a bit more choice, but how is that a bad thing?

Gankers were already handed both the Tornado and a destroyer buff. This is just balance.

Gone are the days where EVE is a dangerous place.

Actually its slightly buffed. Yet not to the extent of the other two hulls.

Hulk gets
keeps 2,500 hull.
1,300 more armor to 2.3k
1,200 more shield yet almost double the recharge time to 2.7k


mack gets
2,800 more hull to 4k
3,000 more armor to 3.7k
3,300 more shield but 3 times the recharge time to 4.3k

skiff get
5,400 more hull to 6k
4,150 more armor to 5.5k
5,900 more shield but almost 4 times the recharge to 6.5k

hulk is still a lot lighter compared to the other two.

The balance to the Nado and Dessie Buff was the Insurance nerf.

I seem to have missed the part when they made all player ships immune to damage.