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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2012.07.26 01:50:00 -
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Well played, CCP.
Your DEVs/balancing team apparently have the reasoning ability of small children so I'll put this in terms they will understand.
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"Once upon a time there were three little miners. They ventured into the big wide world to earn their fortunes.
The First Little Miner went to Jita and fit his Hulk with Cargo Expanders.
This way, he could AFK mine with a minimum of effort and fuss. It left the miner plenty of freetime to daydream, jerk off, and watch Japanese Anime while earning ISK.
....Then along came the Big Bad Ganker in a Catalyst, saying "Little miner, little miner, I'm going to ******* do you in."
The first miner, predictably, was tabbed out and said nothing.
So the Ganker loaded and overheated and blew the Hulk in, and splattered the pod, too.
The Second Little Miner went to Jita, bought MLU's and a hauler.
This way, he could mine faster than anyone else - and become quite wealthy in no time. It was a bit more work, of course, but he kept himself entertained chatting in local with his neighbors.
...Then along came the Big Bad Ganker, in a Tornado, saying "Little miner, little miner, I'm going to ******* do you in."
The second miner, said "Not by the hair of my chinny, chin chin," aligns, and turned on his Small Booster II.
So the Ganker loaded and overheated and blew the Hulk in. The frightened miner flees in his pod, broke, but alive.
The Third Little Miner went to Jita and fit his Hulk with a DCII, MSE, Invulnerability Fields, and Shield Extender Rigs. Wisely, he sets his Hulk to orbit a nearby asteroid, and always kept an wary eye on his surroundings.
...Then along came the Big Bad Ganker, in a T2 Talos, saying "Little miner, little miner, I'm going to ******* do you in."
The Third miner chuckles to himself, overheats his Invulnerability Fields and aligns to the nearest station.
So the Ganker loaded, and overheated, and simply CANNOT blow the Hulk in.
Defeated, the ganker slinks off in his pod, and the smart little Miner scoops the Talos wreckage and sells it for a tidy profit."
THE END
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Cargo Hulk, Yield Hulk, Tank Hulk, those were the choices - all with drawbacks.
Cargo - for a Hybrid Exhumer/Hauler, with a risky AFK 'cruise control' option.
Yield - to maximize returns with friends providing transport.
Tank - 30-40K EHP to discourage/thwart gankers.
(and really, one could still put up a reasonable tank on either Cargo or Yield fit Hulks, if they used the mid-slots.... )
But choices are dangerous things. Given the choice, miners will take cargo/yield every time - and then throw a tantrum when they are ganked. The rare, clever miner who tanked his Hulk; well, he weathered the storm - and reaped the benefits as mineral prices rose.
But throw that out the window, just give the whining miners all three. Notice how CCP put quite a bit of care into saving miners from their own bad choices.
This is more than a buff - this is CCP acknowledging that miners, as a group, are too stupid to make the correct fitting choices.[
Step 1: Idiot miners don't even use the slots they have - so slap stupid amounts of EHP directly to the hull, rather than give them additional slots/PG or CPU. Frigate-size Skiff, Orca EHP. Really?
Step 2: Idiot miners keep sacking their EHP with Cargo Expanders - so make Cargo Expanders pointless with the Ore Bay.
(And I doubt the DEVs will get around to fixing the 'special cargo bays don't drop loot' bug, either - simply because fixing THAT bug would benefit the wrong kinds of players, I suppose.....)
So, good game, CCP.
Good to know we are still steaming, full speed ahead! - towards Hello-Kitty highsec, a paradise for bots and stupidass gameplay. Hard to hear myself say it, but I'm now officially nostalgic for the days of Incarna and WiS development. At least back then, the DEVs were merely wasting their own time. |
Marconus Orion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
325
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Posted - 2012.07.26 01:55:00 -
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Oh he mad. |
Pipa Porto
494
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Posted - 2012.07.26 01:58:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Oh he mad.
But is he wrong?
Nope.
Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1217
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Posted - 2012.07.26 01:58:00 -
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Nice to see the miner knows to overheat his invuls.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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Adalynne Rohks
Tax Evasion Anonymous
79
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Posted - 2012.07.26 01:59:00 -
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Oh Yayah! This is the stuff that general discussion was made for! Keep the tears flowing. They're delicious! |
Mallak Azaria
385
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:06:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Oh he mad. But is he wrong? Nope. Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked.
Happy miner is happy because CCP is acknowledging that miners, as a group, are too stupid to make the correct fitting choices.. Happy miner is now glad that he is stupid.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Sam Ruger
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:09:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Oh he mad. But is he wrong? Nope. Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked. Happy miner is happy because CCP is acknowledging that miners, as a group, are too stupid to make the correct fitting choices.. Happy miner is now glad that he is stupid.
And Ganker is too stupid to bring some friends along to help.
No matter what change is made someone is gonna whine about it not being fair or making something to hard. Acknowledge and move on. I am sick of the whining on both sides of the issue. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1721
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:09:00 -
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I believe I was promised bacon? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1218
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:10:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:But is he wrong?
Nope.
Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked. Happy miner is happy because CCP is acknowledging that miners, as a group, are too stupid to make the correct fitting choices.. Happy miner is now glad that he is stupid.
( ^___^)/
It's as if they had been asking for it over and over.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Pipa Porto
494
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:11:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Oh he mad. But is he wrong? Nope. Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked. Happy miner is happy because CCP is acknowledging that miners, as a group, are too stupid to make the correct fitting choices.. Happy miner is now glad that he is stupid.
Yep. Happy Miner is proud that he's too stupid to survive without CCP holding his hand and leading him to water. Bet you that in 6 months we're gonna hear Happy Miner turn into Sad Miner complaining that CCP hasn't forced him to drink.
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Pipa Porto
494
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:14:00 -
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Sam Ruger wrote:
And Ganker is too stupid to bring some friends along to help.
Fitted Properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked right now.
After the buff, a Hulk's going to be tankier, and the Skiff will be impossible to screw up the tank on. A Skiff could fit 2 500m Aeode MLUs and still not be anywhere near profitable to gank.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Mallak Azaria
385
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:14:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Oh he mad. But is he wrong? Nope. Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked. Happy miner is happy because CCP is acknowledging that miners, as a group, are too stupid to make the correct fitting choices.. Happy miner is now glad that he is stupid. Yep. Happy Miner is proud that he's too stupid to survive without CCP holding his hand and leading him to water. Bet you that in 6 months we're gonna hear Happy Miner turn into Sad Miner complaining that CCP hasn't forced him to drink.
You can lead a horse to water...
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
73
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:20:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Oh he mad. But is he wrong? Nope. Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked.
How about a fleet of 30ish velators w/ cheap blasters? |
Matius Toskavich
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:21:00 -
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Sounds like someone needs a box of tissues as they are to stupid to adapt to the changes?
Shoe is on the other foot so to speak. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
384
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:22:00 -
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And before this thread fills up with endless gloating (and why shouldn't they gloat?) threads from miners....
Realize this: if you are a miner who is reading this thread, chances are YOU are the Third Little Pig.
The one that stands to benefit from knowledge of good fits and how to avoid a gank.
Sure, in reality the Wolf won't try to blow your door in. He'll move along and kick down another straw house....
but allowing the stubborn...the new....the bots to feed at the same trough 'without risk' means an impending crash in mineral prices - and the smart miners end up suffering.
So, gloat away......
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Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
177
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:24:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Oh he mad. But is he wrong? Nope. Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked.
So what? There are literally dozens of ships in EVE that, when fit properly, can't be profitably ganked. Get over your preconceived notion that mining ships must be profitable gank targets. It's idiotic and you sound stupid for trying to pass off such a blatant falsehood as "The Truth". |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
699
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:25:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:
Fitted Properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked right now..
It has rarely been about profit. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
148
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:25:00 -
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eh mining is some of the worst income in game.... and now that they will be free to afk mine again lowends should crash making their income god awful again. |
Pipa Porto
494
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:31:00 -
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MinefieldS wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Oh he mad. But is he wrong? Nope. Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked. How about a fleet of 30ish velators w/ cheap blasters?
So taking 7.5 man hours to gank a Hulk profitably. Ok
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Pipa Porto
494
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:33:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Get over your preconceived notion that mining ships must be profitable gank targets.
They're not profitable gank targets unless the Miners choose to hold a bullseye over their face.
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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
1673
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:33:00 -
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OP is right. |
Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
178
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:35:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Suqq Madiq wrote:Get over your preconceived notion that mining ships must be profitable gank targets. They're not profitable gank targets unless the Miners choose to hold a bullseye over their face.
They don't. This is another one of your preconceived notions that exists only in your head. Again, there are dozens of ships that aren't profitable gank targets when fit properly, so why should Hulks be the exception? |
Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
47
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:39:00 -
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*yawn*
Not another thread whining about miners yet again? |
Pipa Porto
494
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:40:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Suqq Madiq wrote:Get over your preconceived notion that mining ships must be profitable gank targets. They're not profitable gank targets unless the Miners choose to hold a bullseye over their face. They don't. This is another one of your preconceived notions that exists only in your head. Again, there are dozens of ships that aren't profitable gank targets when fit properly, so why should Hulks be the exception?
The Hulk isn't a profitable Gank target when fit properly either.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
178
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:42:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Suqq Madiq wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Suqq Madiq wrote:Get over your preconceived notion that mining ships must be profitable gank targets. They're not profitable gank targets unless the Miners choose to hold a bullseye over their face. They don't. This is another one of your preconceived notions that exists only in your head. Again, there are dozens of ships that aren't profitable gank targets when fit properly, so why should Hulks be the exception? The Hulk isn't a profitable Gank target when fit properly either.
Then what's the problem? You're spewing your opinion all over the place advocating for Mining vessels to be profitable gank targets. Why? |
Denidil
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
315
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:42:00 -
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cry more, gankbear. now you have to shoot things that shoot back like the rest of us, poor poor baby. HTFU
I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
178
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:43:00 -
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Gorinia Sanford wrote:*yawn*
Not another thread whining about miners yet again?
Are you sure? I have it from a reliable source that it's the miners making all the whine threads. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1218
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:46:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:MinefieldS wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Oh he mad. But is he wrong? Nope. Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked. How about a fleet of 30ish velators w/ cheap blasters? So taking 7.5 man hours to gank a Hulk profitably. Ok
30 vs 1? Interesting idea there. Even gankers have to blob now?
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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Pipa Porto
494
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:48:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Suqq Madiq wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Suqq Madiq wrote:Get over your preconceived notion that mining ships must be profitable gank targets. They're not profitable gank targets unless the Miners choose to hold a bullseye over their face. They don't. This is another one of your preconceived notions that exists only in your head. Again, there are dozens of ships that aren't profitable gank targets when fit properly, so why should Hulks be the exception? The Hulk isn't a profitable Gank target when fit properly either. Then what's the problem? You're spewing your opinion all over the place advocating for Mining vessels to be profitable gank targets. Why?
I'm saying they don't need a tank buff because they're fine as they are.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
1113
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:49:00 -
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Interesting...
Unfortunately, I can't test the specific changes (which likely are not yet final) because I only have one account and its full.
I like the concept. Essentially, throw the miners a bone, and if they still don't take it, tell them to deal with what happens.
If miners still whine about getting ganked, CCP can genuinely say HTFU. |
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