CCP could have done so much with mining, but instead they decided to give us invulnerable bots harvesting ore and ice 24/7.

what i find harder to understand why some people only want to ruin other gaming experience by acting like a bunch of white trash teenagers who s like nothing more than to set fire to the neigbours pet rabbit

It's not like they don't exist now, all battleships with 8 high out mine anything that can't fit 3 strip miners.

It shouldn't be profitably ganked.

Do you profitably gank empty badgers or T2 fitted BCs?

Here's my problem with his list when it comes to fitting. Which is really what we're arguing about in this thread. The stat changes and fitting changes to barges.

He includes the exhumers using every single slot fitted for tank.

If an exhumer with half slots tank, half slots yield, had a chance against a decent ass dessie fit, we wouldn't be where we are today. But it doesn't, and here we are.

not really true over the last 2 months i ve seen a change in miner attitude , away from the max yield hulks , sure there are still plenty out there who still mine stupid
and i disagree with the second part of your answer , adapt you need to learn to adapt , somebody will come up with a method to gank them, it will only take more effort , effort keyword , here
and no i am not happy how mining actually works , it is long and boring work and very open to abuse by bots
but i can understand that some people after a long stressfull day at the office , watching their stripminers chew rocks relieves stress
what i find harder to understand why some people only want to ruin other gaming experience by acting like a bunch of white trash teenagers who s like nothing more than to set fire to the neigbours pet rabbit

So taking 7.5 man hours to gank a Hulk profitably. Ok

AND NOW

You are now whining that it will take effort on your part to gank a barge.....REALLY.

Happy Miner is proud that he's too stupid to survive without CCP holding his hand and leading him to water. Bet you that in 6 months we're gonna hear Happy Miner turn into Sad Miner complaining that CCP hasn't forced him to drink.

No we are pointing out that exhumers could already tank and that the changes mean thet they can now tank most attempts while having a max yeild fit. Which is wrong.

and it's not wrong that a 3m ship can take down a 250m ship in a matter of seconds? i have no issue with a 3m ship taking down a 250m ship, i just have an issue with it happening in seconds.

The same 3 mil ship will take down any heavy assault ship and recon in the same time if they dont tank their ships.

I would PAY to see you destroying my Pilgrim with Catalyst.

The same 3 mil ship will take down any heavy assault ship and recon in the same time if they dont tank their ships.

Pilgrim hull has less tank than a hulk hull.

that assumes the destroyer doesn't get it's ass handed to it by a ship that can shoot back; miners don't have that option. combat ships don't *have* to fit tanks to win fights, barges do since we have no control over our "guns" (concord).

if you're turning your ship in to a tank it defeats the purpose of the ship to begin with. you may as well be mining in a battleship which ccp obviously think is ******** due to the fact that they then introduced dedicated mining ships.

Highsec is not supposed to be safe, it is supposed to be safer. Unfortunately, mining ships are now so overtanked that even an idiot can't lose one short of pressing the self-destruct button and walking away from their computer for two minutes. There are a lot of idiots flying mining ships.

Thanks for the wonderful ship balancing as per your usual standard, CCP.

How long can you keep firing your blasters without cap?

So fitting a tank means the three t2 strips stop working?

Also, the untanked heavy assault ship would die so fast it wouldnt get the chance to shoot back. I know, we tested this.

no. however the point of it is that you're effectively mining in a battleship, which is not what ccp want as evident by the fact that when that was the only option they introduced ships that were dedicated to mining. however then we come to the issue that i just put in my other post in order to tank rat spawns you need deadspace modules etc

the tank buff was inevitable. have they gone too far with the skiff? yeah probably, however in their current state their tank is just bad.

and you think it was balanced that in order to tank a 0.0 rat spawn you HAD to use deadspace/faction modules? as if a hulk hull on it's own isn't a big enough prize for a neut...

You dont need deadspace mods to tank rats in 0.0

Also your self entitlement is shocking. I mean, hoe DARE I say that you should be putting a tank on your ship just like everyone else has to. Hulks should have the best of all worlds just because.

yeah, you do. you can't be cap stable without a deadspace/faction booster.

self entitlement? how? all i said was it's not what ccp want you to do, and i've stated why it's obvious ccp don't want you to do that.

You spend time repeating the same boring 3 points
1 Don't afk mine
2 Tank your barge(instead of yield or cargo)
3 Be aligned and have friends.

AND NOW

You are now whining that it will take effort on your part to gank a barge.....REALLY.

The same 3 mil ship will take down any heavy assault ship and recon in the same time if they dont tank their ships.

Because CCP have never made a mistake with a ship buff before. Also learn to tank, t2 tanked hulks work just fine in 0.0