Your comparison is flawed, the Hulk only has 35 power grid, 4 mid slots and 2 low slots. Hulks have tanks more comparable to frigates than cruisers. Frigates that fly at less than 100m/s and are the size of a battleship.

No we are pointing out that exhumers could already tank and that the changes mean thet they can now tank most attempts while having a max yeild fit. Which is wrong.

So i herd that the risk reward policy that makes EVE what it is doesnt apply to afk miners anymore

c/d

In which games is mining any more difficult than beating someone else to the rock and then activating your mining skill?

I make a profit because I can survive a gank, but also because I practice that activity that all prey animals throughout the evolution of life on Earth have practised in order to survive and propagate the species: be alert. If you're in a group, make sure at least one of you is watching the region around you for danger.

This is more complex than "what a turtle could do while asleep".

The barge buff now means that mining is less complex than the simplest thing a turtle could do while dead. What challenge was left in mining is being taken away.

nor suicide gankers.

nor suicide gankers.

Confirming two wrongs make a right

Did you seriously mine for the challenge?

You can profitably gank a number of untanked T2 ships (most T2 Cruisers, for instance). Exhumers are just the most common T2 ship flown without a Tank.

well, to be fair, they're mostly the ones complaining about it.

well, to be fair, they're mostly the ones complaining about it.

Hi, i cannot gank mining barges anymore for fun, i cannot ruin peoples day anymore for fun

i am a whiney little *****

nor suicide gankers.

Sure go do it and report back.

Oh wait, those T2 ships don't *need* to choose between black and white "all tank" vs "all gank" but have dozens of intermediate solutions to adapt to any circumstance. And they tend to come with guns. Yes, the guns you don't have the gonads to fight.

Suicide gankers were overpowered because of sloppy game mechanics, such as -10 pods being allowed into high sec.

I know you arent the brightest spark, so i'll point it out to you

Suicide gankers are WELL aware of rick vs reward...

the risk is the ship that they WILL lose, the REWARD is the smug satisfaction that in maybe an hour, the miner will notice that he isnt in the belt anymore

These changes make it so that even Dolly the Cloned Sheep will be able to happily mine away without even a thought for the possible dangers that might be out there.

The hilarious thing is that the miners that CCP are trying to protect will probably not even notice the changes to the mining barge lineup for weeks

[quote=Tyrton]You spend time repeating the same boring 3 points

So here we are with an exhumer that can field a 100k EHP tank yet still get 5/6th the yield of a Hulk. For the tank & capacity roles, I'd have expected 1/2 the yield of a Hulk (through a cycle bonus on strip miners and ice harvesters), and I'd have expected the Hulk to receive a slight decrease in EHP to compensate for its extremely high yield.

Nobody would use a ship yielding 1/2 of a peer tier other. Heck, nobody wanted to use a covetor which is way cheaper, 1 tier below yet it mines within 15% off an Hulk.

The scope of the "tiericide" instead is to make all the ship equally flown.

I mined for profit. There was very little challenge in mining, even your hypothetical sleeping turtle could do it. But all the people with less intellect than a sleeping turtle complained so long and loud that they got what they wished for, so now mining will have a barrier of entry so low that even a dead turtle could do it.

When I speak of challenge, you might want to substitute barrier to entry.

actually it's more than that, iirc you can only fit 2x mlu IIs on a covetor with an implant.

You can only fit those fabled "everybody should get" 32K EHP tanks with CPU implant, EFT "All skills to V" pilot and possibly an Orca boost.
Clearly the starter fitting for the starter profession.

You can only fit those fabled "everybody should get" 32K EHP tanks with CPU implant, EFT "All skills to V" pilot and possibly an Orca boost.
Clearly the starter fitting for the starter profession.

You can only fit those fabled "everybody should get" 32K EHP tanks with CPU implant, EFT "All skills to V" pilot and possibly an Orca boost.
Clearly the starter fitting for the starter profession.

Because hulks are a starter ship...

A 57 days pre-requisites training ship at the end of the starter profession is nothing compared to tons of other ships in EvE.

Such as Assault Ships, Covert Ops, or Electronic Attack Ships, for example?

Are you suggesting that Ishkurs and Kitsunes are starter ships?

Considering it's the first profession suggested to take, both in tutorials, on rookie chat and online websites, it can't be DA ELITE Everest entry barrier.