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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1467
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:32:00 -
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dexington wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:provide additional loot for those who sooner or later will kill you anyway. because the 30m in drops makes it so worth it to burn 60M in ships to kill you then don't do it... you are not being forced to suicide gank miners, go shoot at players in low or null for free.
wow it's like you don't understand context
let me help you
WE ARE DISCUSSING EXHUMERS IN THEIR CURRENT STATE, FIT FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING THEMSELVES UNPROFITABLE TO GANK EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1715
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:33:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:provide additional loot for those who sooner or later will kill you anyway. because the 30m in drops makes it so worth it to burn 60M in ships to kill you
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:33:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:yeah if you think that gankers have a fully operational t2 production chain, well
What's talk about "we don't need miners because we can produce our own ships and modules by ourselves"? |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1467
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:33:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:provide additional loot for those who sooner or later will kill you anyway. because the 30m in drops makes it so worth it to burn 60M in ships to kill you 1 ISK given away to an hostile is 1 ISK too many.
wow with that attitude you might as well not do anything in this game at all EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1467
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:34:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:What's talk about "we don't need miners because we can produce our own ships and modules by ourselves"?
now you're just making crap up lol EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:36:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:now you're just making crap up lol
Nope.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101626 |
dexington
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:37:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:WE ARE DISCUSSING EXHUMERS IN THEIR CURRENT STATE, FIT FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING THEMSELVES UNPROFITABLE TO GANK
EXHUMERS IN THEIR CURRENT STATE, ARE GANKED JUST FOR THE LOLZ OF WATCHING PEOPLE CRY OVER LOSING A 250M SHIP GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥-á |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1715
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:38:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:provide additional loot for those who sooner or later will kill you anyway. because the 30m in drops makes it so worth it to burn 60M in ships to kill you 1 ISK given away to an hostile is 1 ISK too many. wow with that attitude you might as well not do anything in this game at all
It's the same attitude that in WAR nets me 40 kills zero deaths in an evening and that lets me get blasphemously rich in EvE with no loss.
I feel just fine doing it. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1467
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:41:00 -
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dexington wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:WE ARE DISCUSSING EXHUMERS IN THEIR CURRENT STATE, FIT FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING THEMSELVES UNPROFITABLE TO GANK EXHUMERS IN THEIR CURRENT STATE, ARE GANKED JUST FOR THE LOLZ OF WATCHING PEOPLE CRY OVER LOSING A 250M SHIP
yeah
except it's a lot less of a pain to gank the untanked hulk next to your well-tanked one EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Mallak Azaria
395
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:42:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:End result: the mythical 22K EHP Mack apparently miners have to use or are "stupid pigs", everything both cargo and yield sacrificed for tank.
I'm going to go out on a limb here & say that you never thought of staggering your ice harvester cycles. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1467
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:42:00 -
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please quote the part where he said that gankers produce all of their ships and modules from scratch EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:46:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:please quote the part where he said that gankers produce all of their ships and modules from scratch
Read posts from other gankers in that thread. James is lord of EVE so he doesn't need to explain his thoughts. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1467
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:47:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:please quote the part where he said that gankers produce all of their ships and modules from scratch Read posts from other gankers in that thread. James is lord of EVE so doesn't need to explain his thoughts.
no please feel free to point them out because i can't be bothered to read through all of that pubbie drivel about how wrong he is for saying that miners and their ilk want all PvP removed from hisec
because, as we've seen from posts, they actually want PvP removed from hisec, see all of the "well if u wan2 pvp u shuld go 2 low or null bc hi is 4 pve only" crap EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Myz Toyou
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
140
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:48:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:All we are going to get out of this are fleets of untouchable mining bots and a massive market crash in low end ore just when it became worth mining.
+1
Can`t wait to salvage the tears from miners whining on these forums about their bad isk/hour ratio.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1467
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:49:00 -
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Myz Toyou wrote:baltec1 wrote:All we are going to get out of this are fleets of untouchable mining bots and a massive market crash in low end ore just when it became worth mining. +1 Can`t wait to salvage the tears from miners whining on these forums about their bad isk/hour ratio.
you'll still get the "MY HULK got blown up this is totally unfair why did my AFK untanked ship get killed in 0.5" threads because 15k ehp hulks can still be ganked with ease
on top of that you'll also see "WHY IS HISEC MINING SO UNPROFITABLE NOW REMEMBER WHEN VELDSPAR MINING NETTED 30M ISK/HR" threads EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1715
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:50:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:End result: the mythical 22K EHP Mack apparently miners have to use or are "stupid pigs", everything both cargo and yield sacrificed for tank.
I'm going to go out on a limb here & say that you never thought of staggering your ice harvester cycles.
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Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
277
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:51:00 -
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Myz Toyou wrote:baltec1 wrote:All we are going to get out of this are fleets of untouchable mining bots and a massive market crash in low end ore just when it became worth mining. +1 Can`t wait to salvage the tears from miners whining on these forums about their bad isk/hour ratio.
nobody will care about the isk/hour ratio. minerals are used to build things. if it takes 4 hours of mining to buy something now, it'll take 4 hours after a market crash. infact, with tech nerfs and tech 2 possibly coming down in price, miners are in a better position. [as is every one else]
miners are largely unaffected by mineral prices going up and down in terms of buying and selling; it takes the same amount of time mining to buy things before and after. i made the point ages ago with the cost of a hulk.
then, 3.4isk/unit trit, 130m hulk. now, 6.5isk/unit trit, 250m hulk.
isk/hour really doesn't matter that much. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:53:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:because, as we've seen from posts, they actually want PvP removed from hisec, see all of the "well if u wan2 pvp u shuld go 2 low or null bc hi is 4 pve only" crap
Where did I say I'm against pvp in hisec?
There's actual pvp corps in hisec that don't do it for griefing, just to get their pewpew. I'm not against that at all. I'm not against ganking stupid haulers (20 PLEXes in shuttle and so on, you get the point). I'm not against ganking officer fit mission ship in hisec (it's just pure stupidity)... I'm not against ganking Hulks with cargo rigs (very bad combination)...
Do you get the point? |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1467
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:53:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Achieving what? Besides being easily flagged as a bot.
so you're admitting that you bot EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1467
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:55:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Where did I say I'm against pvp in hisec?
There's actual pvp corps in hisec that don't do it for griefing, just to get their pewpew. I'm not against that at all. I'm not against ganking stupid haulers (20 PLEXes in shuttle and so on, you get the point). I'm not against ganking officer fit mission ship in hisec (it's just pure stupidity)...
Do you get the point?
with crimewatch, ganking idiots who officer fit their mission ships and carry 20 plexes in shuttles will mean that your mule alt will have to deal with being shot at by dudes with neutral logis that you can't shoot at
and you can't really kill that proteus yourself because, well, it's basically you vs everyone in hisec, and his RR alt that you can't shoot will keep him from dying EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.07.27 08:58:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:with crimewatch, ganking idiots who officer fit their mission ships and carry 20 plexes in shuttles will mean that your mule alt will have to deal with being shot at by dudes with neutral logis that you can't shoot at
and you can't really kill that proteus yourself because, well, it's basically you vs everyone in hisec
EVE Online is MMO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game). |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1467
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:00:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:EVE Online is MMO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game).
oh and if you bring your own RR alt everyone in hisec will be able to shoot that
you must love this, considering that you want all nonconsensual PvP eliminated from hisec EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1715
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:00:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Achieving what? Besides being easily flagged as a bot. so you're admitting that you bot
No, if you ALT TAB and stagger ice miners you appear to be a bot. In the logs you'll appear doing multiple staggered things in close time frames across multiple accounts.
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Pipa Porto
519
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:00:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:2. Never said it couldn't. Just that it can't be profitably tanked (something that you disagreed with, ad nauseaum in another thread). What? I don't even... Keep throwing those Catalysts at my Hulk one at a time and I'm sure I can make some profit out of it.
Slight typo. Can't be profitably Ganked.
Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:2) Even if that were true, what's the problem? You say it can be tanked to make profitable ganking impossible. Two T1 gank fit Catalysts can destroy it in 0.5 even with maximum tank (15k EHP). https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1595540#post1595540
Jorma Morkkis wrote:All it takes to gank tanked Hulk in 0.5 is two Catalysts (~30 million ISK). https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1565883#post1565883 EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1467
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:01:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:No, if you ALT TAB and stagger ice miners you appear to be a bot. In the logs you'll appear doing multiple staggered things in close time frames across multiple accounts.
the only ones who should worry about being flagged as botters are, well, botters
believe it or not Sreegs and the GMs are aware that isboxer exists EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
202
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:05:00 -
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It's just another nail in the coffin.... im not interested in experiencing another Ultima Online Trammel amputation in EvE. I will never go thru that experience again, it's just too painfull.
Sad times we live, the last true old school sandbox mmo being is ripped apart. Even the forums have been "trammelized". If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
123
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:05:00 -
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Way to take that 15k EHP out of context...
You were claiming Hulk is T1 cruiser.
Avg. EHP for T1 cruiser is around 10k-15k EHP. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1467
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:06:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Way to take that 15k EHP out of context...
You were claiming Hulk is T1 cruiser.
Avg. EHP for T1 cruiser is around 10k-15k EHP.
with
a
tank
fitted EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1715
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:07:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:No, if you ALT TAB and stagger ice miners you appear to be a bot. In the logs you'll appear doing multiple staggered things in close time frames across multiple accounts.
the only ones who should worry about being flagged as botters are, well, botters believe it or not Sreegs and the GMs are aware that isboxer exists
With 2 months petition queues on some topics, better being safe than sorry. Also, no need to use stinky isboxer, even when 5 box full glass cannon missioning... "EvE is hard". Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1467
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Posted - 2012.07.27 09:07:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:It's just another nail in the coffin.... im not interested in experiencing another Ultima Online Trammel amputation in EvE. I will never go thru that experience again, it's just too painfull.
Sad times we live, the last true old school sandbox mmo being is ripped apart. Even the forums have been "trammelized".
"but it's not Trammel because you can still shoot people in hisec but you'll just die instantly to a death ray that equalizes response times in 1.0 and 0.5 and we're discouraging it as much as possible!" EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
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