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Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1464	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:51:00 - [1141] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: This alone makes feel the pilot wasted training weeks for nothing and with such a loss in performance the other ships WILL out-do it so hard that they will repay their lower survivability in few days. since they pay for themselves, and then some, in a yield fit, what's the problem? a rogue goon
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1464	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:54:00 - [1142] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: - Needs 6% CPU implant if I want to use cheaper T2 MSE. - Only 27k EHP (Hulk with one MLU, survey scanner and overheated invuls can beat that) you can't fit a T2 MSE on that setup anyway since CPU and PG hardwirings use the same slot, and this fit completely uses both, and that's with a genolution set (cheap) and a +1% PG hardwiring (even cheaper) also, a meta 4 MSE is 1.5M in Jita a rogue goon
Pipa Porto 516	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:55:00 - [1143] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: If tank is good then why are you whining in this thread. Untanked Hulk can be ganked in hisec after the changes. Just in case you haven't noticed that Hulk doesn't get huge buff. 30% isn't a huge Buff? In what universe? The Hulk is getting a ~30% boost to it's tank. It will be able to fit enough tank such that it is unprofitable to gank it while still fitting 2 MLUIIs. This means that the Skiff's new role is worthless. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 123	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:55:00 - [1144] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: you can't fit a T2 MSE on that setup anyway since CPU and PG hardwirings use the same slot, and this fit completely uses both, and that's with a genolution set (cheap) and a +1% PG hardwiring (even cheaper) You can't put two implants into same slot on same clone.
Pipa Porto 517	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:57:00 - [1145] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: please show me the "tank" on your exhumer no, the civilian shield booster you have does not constitute a tank [Hulk] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Yes, I know it's not "perfect". Forgot drones. 5x Vespa EC-600 Oh, you mean the fit that you claimed over and over again wouldn't be able to stop a HS gank? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1464	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:58:00 - [1146] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: you can't fit a T2 MSE on that setup anyway since CPU and PG hardwirings use the same slot, and this fit completely uses both, and that's with a genolution set (cheap) and a +1% PG hardwiring (even cheaper) You can't put two implants into same slot on same clone. except all three of those implants use different slots the genolution set gives you a decent bonus to both CPU and powergrid a rogue goon
Pipa Porto 517	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:59:00 - [1147] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: they'd need 3 catalysts to kill you in an 0.5 and that's without any gang bonuses Not to rain your parade but 3 catalysts is the default setup even moderate casual gankers use... 3 T2 Catalysts is an unprofitable gank. By a LOT. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 123	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:00:00 - [1148] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: Oh, you mean the fit that you claimed over and over again wouldn't be able to stop a HS gank? Are you now saying it can be ganked? Great.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1464	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:02:00 - [1149] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: Oh, you mean the fit that you claimed over and over again wouldn't be able to stop a HS gank? Are you now saying it can be ganked? Great. the veldnaught can be ganked if you bring enough ships to kill it a rogue goon
dexington 83	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:02:00 - [1150] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: they'd need 3 catalysts to kill you in an 0.5 and that's without any gang bonuses Not to rain your parade but 3 catalysts is the default setup even moderate casual gankers use... 3 T2 Catalysts is an unprofitable gank. By a LOT. CCP Soundwave wrote: Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable, it's meant to be an option that let's you punish someone else at your expense. working as intended GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥-á
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1464	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:04:00 - [1151] - Quote dexington wrote: working as intended it's working as intended because we're talking about a ship that is fitted to be unprofitable to gank, you see a rogue goon
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 123	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:09:00 - [1152] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: the veldnaught can be ganked if you bring enough ships to kill it Only if you can gank it before node crashes...
Pipa Porto 517	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:09:00 - [1153] - Quote dexington wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: they'd need 3 catalysts to kill you in an 0.5 and that's without any gang bonuses Not to rain your parade but 3 catalysts is the default setup even moderate casual gankers use... 3 T2 Catalysts is an unprofitable gank. By a LOT. CCP Soundwave wrote: Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable, it's meant to be an option that let's you punish someone else at your expense. working as intended Yes. Exactly. So the buff to mining barges is entirely unnecessary. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1466	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:12:00 - [1154] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: the veldnaught can be ganked if you bring enough ships to kill it Only if you can gank it before node crashes... problem is that you'd need 900 tornadoes to pull it off because, heh, it's in 1.0, unless he has a slave set plugged in (which isn't a distant possibility) a rogue goon
Pipa Porto 517	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:12:00 - [1155] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: Oh, you mean the fit that you claimed over and over again wouldn't be able to stop a HS gank? Are you now saying it can be ganked? Great. 1. It's the fit YOU, Jorma Morkkis claimed was insufficiently tanked. 2. Never said it couldn't. Just that it can't be profitably tanked (something that you disagreed with, ad nauseaum in another thread). 3. Seriously, Head Injuries presenting with memory lapses are serious. See a Doctor. [/quote] Pipa Porto wrote: 3 T2 Catalysts is an unprofitable gank. By a LOT. Not if you gank Itty5 full of officer mods.[/quote] We are Talking about Mining barges. FFS. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
Pipa Porto 517	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:13:00 - [1156] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: the veldnaught can be ganked if you bring enough ships to kill it Only if you can gank it before node crashes... TiDi's largely taken care of node crashes even in systems which aren't RFed. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 123	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:15:00 - [1157] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: 2. Never said it couldn't. Just that it can't be profitably tanked (something that you disagreed with, ad nauseaum in another thread). What? I don't even...
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1467	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:18:00 - [1158] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: 2. Never said it couldn't. Just that it can't be profitably tanked (something that you disagreed with, ad nauseaum in another thread). What? I don't even... if you actually disputed that your hulk can't be profitably ganked in any sec, well, i think you're vastly overestimating how valuable the drops/salvage are EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE)
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 123	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:20:00 - [1159] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: if you actually disputed that your hulk can't be profitably ganked in any sec, well, i think you're vastly overestimating how valuable the drops/salvage are 25M in salvage. 7-11M in T2 strip miners. 10M from Goons. And whatever you can get back from your Catalyst wreck. But that's not actually profit.
Horace Nancyball The Whiskers of Kurvi-Tasch 8	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:22:00 - [1160] - Quote Almost 60 pages on a topic done to death every month for the last seven years...
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1467	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:22:00 - [1161] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: 25M in salvage. 7-11M in T2 strip miners. 10M from Goons. i hope you're not trying to bring up a reward paid by a player corporation in a thread about balance also fyi that doesn't pay for 3 T2 fit catalysts EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE)
dexington 83	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:24:00 - [1162] - Quote Horace Nancyball wrote: Almost 60 pages on a topic done to death every month for the last seven years... Why are you then surprised it's happening again this month? GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥-á
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 123	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:25:00 - [1163] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: also fyi that doesn't pay for 3 T2 fit catalysts 3 * 11M = 33M And if you don't insure your ship you're doing it wrong.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1467	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:27:00 - [1164] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: And if you don't insure your ship you're doing it wrong. feel free to go suicide gank something in an insured ship hint: there's a reason people don't use brutixes anymore also a T2 fit catalyst costs a good 15M EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE)
dexington 83	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:27:00 - [1165] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: also fyi that doesn't pay for 3 T2 fit catalysts 3 * 11M = 33M And if you don't insure your ship you're doing it wrong. Concord destroyed ships don't payout insurance, do they? GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥-á
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1715	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:27:00 - [1166] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: This alone makes feel the pilot wasted training weeks for nothing and with such a loss in performance the other ships WILL out-do it so hard that they will repay their lower survivability in few days. since they pay for themselves, and then some, in a yield fit, what's the problem? Not a problem. Just showing the high skills, "overtank" fits spewed for all these months are just inefficient and provide additional loot for those who sooner or later will kill you anyway. For me it was money well spent learning the overtank way was so sub-optimal, I wanted to adopt a middle range solution for the next time I'll mine (prolly in a year) but then the new mining ships overhaul devblog appeared. So I'll check what real world functional fittings will exist after the patch. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1467	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:29:00 - [1167] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: provide additional loot for those who sooner or later will kill you anyway. because the 30m in drops makes it so worth it to burn 60M in ships to kill you EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE)
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 123	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:30:00 - [1168] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: also a T2 fit catalyst costs a good 15M You probably want to produce some of the modules by yourself if you get that bad deals from your supplier.
dexington 83	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:31:00 - [1169] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: provide additional loot for those who sooner or later will kill you anyway. because the 30m in drops makes it so worth it to burn 60M in ships to kill you then don't do it... you are not being forced to suicide gank miners, go shoot at players in low or null for free. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥-á
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1467	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:31:00 - [1170] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: also a T2 fit catalyst costs a good 15M You probably want to produce some of the modules by yourself if you get that bad deals from your supplier. yeah if you think that gankers have a fully operational t2 production chain, well EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE)

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