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Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 123	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:03:00 - [1111] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: You're the only one claiming that ganking miners is "challenging" or "elite" or any of the other words. No it's not. If you want a challenge go to lowsec and start shooting people. You have very good chance they will return fire.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1464	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:05:00 - [1112] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: No it's not. If you want a challenge go to lowsec and start shooting people. You have very good chance they will dock up when they can't beat you. fixed a rogue goon
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 123	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:06:00 - [1113] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: If he's AFK, there's no reason for him to have a Survey scanner, so he can easily fit a brick tank which is unprofitable to gank anywhere in HS. If miner fits tank don't complain then.
Pipa Porto 512	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:06:00 - [1114] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: You're the only one claiming that ganking miners is "challenging" or "elite" or any of the other words. No it's not. If you want a challenge go to lowsec and start shooting people. You have very good chance they will return fire. You really have ****** reading comprehension skills, don't you. Ganking Hulks isn't challenging. I never said it was. The only time anyone says it's challenging is when you say it. Ganking hulks is a nice, relaxing pastime that I can do after work with a cold beer. Some people mine when they're in that "I want to relax" mood, some people gank miners. Mining actually makes more Isk/hr than ganking. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
Halcyon Ingenium Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 144	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:07:00 - [1115] - Quote Turifica wrote: You're problem isn't that its being rebalanced, its that you know you can't put together a group of ten people who would give you the ******* time of day, never mind listen to your pathetic drivel. Priceless. That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire, the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man, replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus
Soundwave Plays Diablo Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 62	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:08:00 - [1116] - Quote CCP Soundwave wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: CCP Soundwave wrote: I don't want you to stop ganking nor am I going to remove aggression in high sec vOv You got the Insurance Nerf. You got the Suddenly CONCORD fix to aggro kiting. You got the wardec changes that Dramatically favor the defenders. You got the proposed Crimewatch changes that make it essentially impossible to loot the cargo of a ganked Freighter. You got the proposed Crimewatch changes that were originally going to allow RR with CONCORD protection. It all paints a picture, no matter what your stated objectives are. Hulks can be fit such that they are not profitable to gank right now. The others need roles to fill, but if one ship's going to have the role of Tankey Miner, why are they all getting buffs that take away from that role bonus? To fit the roles, the Skiff should have a great Tank, a middling Yield, and a smallish Cargo. The Mackinaw should have a small Tank, a middling Yield, and a Great Cargo. The Hulk should have a small Tank, a Great Yield, and a smallish Cargo. You're giving the Skiff an insane Tank, a middling Yield, and a very good Cargo. The Mackinaw a great Tank, a middling Yield, and a Great Cargo. The Hulk a great Tank, a Great Yield, and a smallish Cargo. When the Mack can have ~60k EHP, why bother with the Skiff? When the Hulk can have ~45k EHP, why bother with the Skiff? 35k EHP is already unprofitable to Gank. The Extra 10k will remove Exhumer ganking entirely. Oh, and the other 2 Exhumers with max MLUs should be able to out-mine a 0 MLU Hulk. Otherwise people are going to keep using the Hulk and tanking it (probably badly). If I wanted to remove aggression, I'd just shut it off, instead of going through all these hoops to keep it alive. The reality is that suicide ganking is an integral part of the game that I quite like, but every now and then we need to make changes because the current setup doesn't work. Funny, when I complained about it in 2009, I was told to HTFU. 3 years later you admit that it is STILL not working right, ergo I didn't need to HTFU, you needed to fix it.
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 123	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:08:00 - [1117] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: You really have ****** reading comprehension skills, don't you. Ganking Hulks isn't challenging. I never said it was. The only time anyone says it's challenging is when you say it. I've never said it's a challenge. But you guys are the ones who don't like challenges...
Pipa Porto 512	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:10:00 - [1118] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: If he's AFK, there's no reason for him to have a Survey scanner, so he can easily fit a brick tank which is unprofitable to gank anywhere in HS. If miner fits tank don't complain then. Where have I ever complained when a miner has fitted a tank? If a Miner fits a Tank, I'll be shocked. Since you haven't been paying attention, that's my entire point. Miners have been whining that they have to fit a tank [gasp] while refusing to do so. They can fit a tank such that you cannot be profitably suicide ganked. If they do so, GREAT! But they don't. Instead, CCP has decided to reward them for their stunning incompetence and changed the Hull so that fitting a tank is irrelevant. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1464	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:10:00 - [1119] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: You really have ****** reading comprehension skills, don't you. Ganking Hulks isn't challenging. I never said it was. The only time anyone says it's challenging is when you say it. I've never said it's a challenge. it's almost like you're being deliberately obtuse and just trolling npc alts, lol a rogue goon
Pipa Porto 512	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:11:00 - [1120] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: You really have ****** reading comprehension skills, don't you. Ganking Hulks isn't challenging. I never said it was. The only time anyone says it's challenging is when you say it. I've never said it's a challenge. But you guys are the ones who don't like challenges... And Miners are all about the challenge? Miners are not going to win much high ground claiming "mining is sooooo hard " EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 123	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:11:00 - [1121] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: Jorma Morkkis wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: If he's AFK, there's no reason for him to have a Survey scanner, so he can easily fit a brick tank which is unprofitable to gank anywhere in HS. If miner fits tank don't complain then. Where have I ever complained when a miner has fitted a tank? If a Miner fits a Tank, I'll be shocked. Since you haven't been paying attention, that's my entire point. Miners have been whining that they have to fit a tank [gasp] while refusing to do so. They can fit a tank such that you cannot be profitably suicide ganked. If they do so, GREAT! But they don't. Instead, CCP has decided to reward them for their stunning incompetence and changed the Hull so that fitting a tank is irrelevant. If tank is good then why are you whining in this thread.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1464	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:12:00 - [1122] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: And Miners are all about the challenge? Miners are not going to win much high ground claiming "mining is sooooo hard " figuring out whether to mine veldspar, scordite or pyroxeres by looking at a pre-made spreadsheet is so hard, i tell you a rogue goon
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1464	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:14:00 - [1123] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: If tank is good then why are you whining in this thread. because you can already fit one but you don't want to sacrifice that ~max yield~ so you want it to already come on your hulk so that you don't have to be burdened with making such a difficult choice like "do I want to keep my ship" a rogue goon
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1714	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:15:00 - [1124] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: Jorma Morkkis wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: We're talking about HS. Did you forget again? No you were talking about how tractor beam is stupid/useless module. Pipa Porto wrote: In Null, you don't need much tank at all because if you get pointed you die period. No hoping the hostile is low on DPS. Can your Erebus destroy that Hulk before it gets to complete safety of POS? No, I asked why you would intentionally put an Orca 70-80km away from your mining fleet. Try to keep track of things that you say. If the Hulk gets pointed, yes. But again, we're talking about HS. Are you seriously keeping an Orca close to Macks? Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1464	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:16:00 - [1125] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: Jorma Morkkis wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: We're talking about HS. Did you forget again? No you were talking about how tractor beam is stupid/useless module. Pipa Porto wrote: In Null, you don't need much tank at all because if you get pointed you die period. No hoping the hostile is low on DPS. Can your Erebus destroy that Hulk before it gets to complete safety of POS? No, I asked why you would intentionally put an Orca 70-80km away from your mining fleet. Try to keep track of things that you say. If the Hulk gets pointed, yes. But again, we're talking about HS. Are you seriously keeping an Orca close to Macks? considering that you can huddle up 200 mackinaws on a single ice rock which never depletes, well a rogue goon
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1714	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:17:00 - [1126] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: considering that you can huddle up 200 mackinaws on a single ice rock which never depletes, well Pray tell me where, I'll tell a friend where to disco and then post a FRAPS about it. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1714	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:19:00 - [1127] - Quote A long TLDR tale detailing why a change (not necessarily this change) was needed Premise As everyone on Market Discussion knows (and screenshots on my website) I am a minerals trader. I am also a large amounts of BPOs holder including being able to manufacture fully fitted and rigged Orcas from scratch, fully fitted and rigged exhumers and so on (I can provide screenshots of all what I say). I also own Tornado (not Talos), Thrasher and Catalyst (and Cormorant but that ship is bad for ganking) BPOs including all their mods and rigs. I am heavily interested into the highest minerals prices for my trading and the maximum number of kills for my manufacturing. BUT Due to my auditor meta profession I have to experience all what I can about the game. Living what you talk about is much more solid than using EFT theorycraft. The event So, when ice went above 1100 I decided to give ice mining a try. I already had a couple of ancient max yeld and cargo Macks I used up to 1 year ago when I needed isotopes for fuel. I made an Orca with gun mined minerals (mining cycle + shield + armor links). Willing to give Ruby Porto benefit of doubt I took one of his "all V skills plus +CPU blah blah" fittings. I painfully trained a pilot to comply with all the required skills (new player unfriendly, CCP does not like it). I had to replace a PG implant (Minmatar fits tend to be greedy with PG) with a CPU implant. I did not need the PG any more so it was not really a loss to me, but I suppose a new player would not have money for multiple +4 / +5 implants clones to swap so it'd be a pain to them. End result: the mythical 22K EHP Mack apparently miners have to use or are "stupid pigs", everything both cargo and yield sacrificed for tank. Now, I suspected the ship would blow hard but I got really surprised discovering it'd: - only held 6 blocks. Not a surprise but I have to manually interrupt mining in half cycle and be careful with the timing else you only get 4 blocks and just wasted minutes for nothing. - mined slightly above 6 blocks in the time the other ships mined their full amount of 10. That's a drop of about 35% in yield. This alone makes feel the pilot wasted training weeks for nothing and with such a loss in performance the other ships WILL out-do it so hard that they will repay their lower survivability in few days. But this is just a piece of the puzzle. Being in an ice system means 70-80 in local even not in prime time. Now comes the second part of my former post talking about how CCP has to put a brake to overly emergent / zealot players. Over 2 months, during a regular day the ice system sported an average of 2 suicide gankers (players not alts, they all use 2-4 alts each) and an average of 14 ship deaths. That's ok, weeds off the careless noobs and makes my mineral trading and manufacturing richer. But then come the industrialized carpet bombing, which is CCP nerfed time and again so it's not like it's a surprise they would nerf this as well. Bat Country guy comes in. Unlike casual gankers he staggered alts to have close to zero downtime. He used 1 Probe and 1 cov ops as scan + warp ins, he used 1-2 catalyst or 1 Amarr BC (don't recall the name) or 1 Tornado. No other gankers could do anything, he "soloed" 78 kills in one day. This is a big step up. He killed so hard that everyone including Orcas + fleets had to move away. As "Mara Rinn compliant" miner I added the various alts to contact list. Now this is just 1 guy wreaking all this havoc, is it OK for CCP? Seems it's not. But it's not over yet. Seeing the mass slaugther I docked the max yield Macks and only left out the Ruby Porto's one + Orca. Since I don't trust ANY exhumer to surivive a Bat Country guy, I also employed additional tricks including being aligned in a particular way that saved my butt several times. In some way the guy scanned that overtanked Mack (I suppose he used the cov ops) and seeing the juicy T2 mods he decided to gank it. Lo and behold he warped in 3 Tornadoes, 2 off alts that he did not use yet (so even dutifully adding the other alts as contacts was moot) and managed to shoot 1 salvo heavily hitting the ship before I warped out. End result, I got a damaged ship and he lost 1 of his. Now, is this what every miner is supposed to endure? Absolute crap yield, have endless contact lists on all alts, stay on toes and aligned like an hawk and even then they just bring in 3 Tornadoes (he clearly did not do it for the income)? I am NOT surprised to see CCP taking action, once again Goons pushed their "emergent gameplay" till CCP intervened. I put it along the insurance nerf, FW LP hotfix, boomerang nerf. Doing is fine, overdoing on a prolonged, advertised grand scale is not. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1464	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:19:00 - [1128] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Pray tell me where, I'll tell a friend where to disco and then post a FRAPS about it. ice harvesters have a 10km range a rogue goon
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1464	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:20:00 - [1129] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: (new player unfriendly, CCP does not like it). I sincerely hope that CCP isn't dense enough to balance exhumers, which are supposed to be the top-of-the-line mining ships, not ships meant for new players, around the idea that (misguided) new players are flying them a rogue goon
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 123	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:21:00 - [1130] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: because you can already fit one but you don't want to sacrifice that ~max yield~ so you want it to already come on your hulk so that you don't have to be burdened with making such a difficult choice like "do I want to keep my ship" When was the last time undocked in untanked exhumer owned by me? Date? API verified killmail? If you claim that as truth you should have some facts to back it up.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1464	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:22:00 - [1131] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: When was the last time I undocked in untanked exhumer owned by me? Date? API verified killmail? If you claim that as truth you should have some facts to back it up. please show me the "tank" on your exhumer no, the civilian shield booster you have does not constitute a tank a rogue goon
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1714	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:29:00 - [1132] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Pray tell me where, I'll tell a friend where to disco and then post a FRAPS about it. ice harvesters have a 10km range Have fun placing your 200 ships to not have any overlap. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 123	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:29:00 - [1133] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: please show me the "tank" on your exhumer no, the civilian shield booster you have does not constitute a tank [Hulk] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Yes, I know it's not "perfect". Forgot drones. 5x Vespa EC-600
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1464	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:32:00 - [1134] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Pray tell me where, I'll tell a friend where to disco and then post a FRAPS about it. ice harvesters have a 10km range Have fun placing your 200 ships to not have any overlap. except nobody mines with 200 ships i said that there is no real limit on how many ships can mine an ice rock because, well, it doesn't deplete a rogue goon
Betrinna Cantis 25	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:33:00 - [1135] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: Happy Miner is proud that he's too stupid to survive without CCP holding his hand and leading him to water. Bet you that in 6 months we're gonna hear Happy Miner turn into Sad Miner complaining that CCP hasn't forced him to drink. 1) I'm happy miner and yet to be ganked. 2) I do my mining mostly with Hulk. 3) If you want to gank me prepare to lose more destroyers than you thought you would lose. 4) Yes, there's still time before Inferno 1.2! What he ^^ said. Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares.....
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1464	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:39:00 - [1136] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: please show me the "tank" on your exhumer no, the civilian shield booster you have does not constitute a tank [Hulk, ****] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Yes, I know it's not "perfect". Forgot drones. 5x Vespa EC-600 here: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16196592/Hulk%20-%20catalyst%20tanked.jpg they'd need 3 catalysts to kill you in an 0.5 and that's without any gang bonuses, fit a shield resist link on an orca and you'll get close to 50k against blasters, while still having more "uniform" EHP than what you have on that fit, and you're not really going to do much better against thrashers in either case the stacking penalties are only screwing you over when you're fitting that many invulns a rogue goon
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1714	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:41:00 - [1137] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: they'd need 3 catalysts to kill you in an 0.5 and that's without any gang bonuses Not to rain your parade but 3 catalysts is the default setup even moderate casual gankers use... Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1464	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:42:00 - [1138] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: they'd need 3 catalysts to kill you in an 0.5 and that's without any gang bonuses Not to rain your parade but 3 catalysts is the default setup even moderate casual gankers use... "oh look catalysts are landing" overheats mid rack, turns on hardeners also that "3 catalysts" figure assumes that it's 3 t2 fit catalysts with void and perfect gunnery skills, which isn't likely, especially if they need that many catalysts in 0.5 a rogue goon
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1464	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:47:00 - [1139] - Quote can't wait for the "well if they flub you still have to pay more to repair in station than what one of their guns is worth" argument a rogue goon
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 123	Posted - 2012.07.27 07:49:00 - [1140] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: here: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16196592/Hulk%20-%20catalyst%20tanked.jpg they'd need 3 catalysts to kill you in an 0.5 and that's without any gang bonuses, fit a shield resist link on an orca and you'll get close to 50k against blasters, while still having more "uniform" EHP than what you have on that fit, and you're not really going to do much better against thrashers in either case the stacking penalties are only screwing you over when you're fitting that many invulns - Needs 6% CPU implant if I want to use cheaper T2 MSE. - Only 27k EHP (Hulk with one MLU, survey scanner and overheated invuls can beat that)

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