please continue to make mining seem more complex than it really is while making ganking seem far simpler than it really is

(which can include steps other than tank, btw).

let's not forget that he's just vaguely referring to some random killmail link buried deep in some thread somewhere so, well, its veracity can easily be questioned

1) ECM drones - requires a very minor sacrifice (can't use mining drones) but can easily mean the difference between a gank attempt succeeding or otherwise. somewhat AFK friendly as you can have them out on aggressive mode with focused fire.

"Don't fit it you dumbass!" works only for afk miners. Active miners can actually increase their yield by actively paying attention to what they are doing. But oh no "all hisec miners are afk or bots!"



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250% bonus to tractor beam range
100% bonus to tractor beam velocity

And here comes belt rats. Ganker ganks with a little help from belt rats.

So? What benefit do you get from putting it 80km from the Hulks? Doing stupid stuff because you want to is fine, but you don't get to complain that it's inconvenient.

3) fitting a brick tank - if you specifically tank for Catalysts (meta 4 MSE, invuln, kinetic hardener, thermic hardener), you can easily get close to 50k EHP against blasters, which is nothing to shake a stick at. requires relevant fitting skills at V and a genolution set (which is cheap) and a +1% PG implant (which is laughably cheap)

A tanked Hulk will trivially tank HS rats.

And here comes belt rats. Ganker ganks with a little help from belt rats.

Do you even know how big 0.0 belts/gravs (+ WH gravs) are?
It's better to have ship scattered all around. Only stupid people sit in one spot on grav sites.

Btw, passive regen isn't enough to survive 3 cruiser rats.

And that 700 dps Catalyst too?

Btw, passive regen isn't enough to survive 3 cruiser rats.

We're talking about HS. Did you forget again?

In Null, you don't need much tank at all because if you get pointed you die period. No hoping the hostile is low on DPS.

And here comes Thrasher and ganks it.

Can your Erebus destroy that Hulk before it gets to complete safety of POS?

please tell me how you'd get into a POS when you're tackled in a grav site/belt

do the belts spawn anything else then frigs?

5 ECM Drones, 5 Warrior IIs. Dscan, pull ECM, put out warriors, kill Rats, put ECM back out.

How much handholding do you need, honestly?

Why are you tackled in Hulk in nullsec? Talk about AFK mining...

No you were talking about how tractor beam is stupid/useless module.



Can your Erebus destroy that Hulk before it gets to complete safety of POS?

if you can't deal with belt rats in hisec please just unsub and find an easier game

- Jump into your Hulk (oh no, you don't have skills. ok that Catalyst is ok)
- Go to nearest incursion area.
- Warp to belt
- Profit!

>belt rats in incursion constellations

holy **** talk about grasping at straws

No you were talking about how tractor beam is stupid/useless module.



Can your Erebus destroy that Hulk before it gets to complete safety of POS?

Are Sanshas too tough challenge for pvper?

No you were talking about how tractor beam is stupid/useless module.

If the Hulk gets pointed, yes. But again, we're talking about HS.

But again, we're talking about HS.

Are Sanshas too tough challenge for pvper?

Why does it matter if player if AFK because it means he/she is AFK (away from keyboard)?

The tractor beam is not worth fitting for hisec fleets, where every hulk can hug the Orca and reach the entire belt without moving.

Things work differently in null sec: in null sec it makes sense to fit an active tank to a Hulk because you will be tanking damage from a bunch of battleship NPCs for a long time. In null sec it makes sense to have a tractor beam on the Orca because the belts are larger, hulks will be spread out, and the links you're sacrificing from the Orca are running more effectively on the Rorqual instead.

In hisec, the Orca is the boosting ship, there is no reason to tractor cans (and every reason to not use cans), and belts are 60km across, maximum.

There is no suicide banking in null sec: you can shoot first. You don't need to spam d-scan since you can just watch local.