To be fair, a large number of your cronies, including Ruby and Richard have been beating this nugget of dead horse around for quite awhile. It's been proven incorrect on a number of occasions, but they still believe it.

Nope. Never said that.

We said it cannot be ganked profitably if properly fit (the kill in question had a Roid Scanner as part of his tank). In addition, if you go to a higher sec band, the cost to gank a properly tanked hulk quickly becomes prohibitive.

the height of irony is when the risk-averse hisec miner complains about "nullbears" who face infinitely more risk than he does for the marginally higher reward

nobody said that a tanked hulk cannot be ganked, please don't put words in our mouths

we said that a tanked hulk would not be worth bothering with unless somebody was hell-bent on killing you anyway

To be fair, a large number of your cronies, including Ruby and Richard have been beating this nugget of dead horse around for quite awhile. It's been proven incorrect on a number of occasions, but they still believe it.

It absolutely does, because there's no longer any incentive for miners to make intelligent choices about defending themselves.

Defeated, the ganker slinks off in his pod, and the smart little Miner scoops the Talos wreckage and sells it for a tidy profit."

Nullsec is safe space if you're in big alliance.

- You see red in local -> you warp all your PVE ships to POS and jump into PVP ship
- Hundreds of intel channels
- Triage carriers (if you need "healing")
And so on...

You're reaching. Adding EHP does not make mining barges into ungankable fortresses. It makes them less profitable to gank. That's it.

You're reaching. Adding EHP does not make mining barges into ungankable fortresses. It makes them less profitable to gank. That's it.

since it's so safe why don't you pack up and move to 0.0?

Why can't you add the EHP yourself? Why does CCP have to do it for you?

Because I would be killed by Goons before I could get out of lowsec.

hahahaha "why should I bother fitting a thermic hardener which substantially increases my ability to survive a gank attempt by the most popular exhumer hunting ship in the game, no, I should use that midslot for a roid scanner that works just as well on an ibis"

You're starting to sound dumber and dumber. Is it late where you are? Have you been drinking? Are you mining currently? Have you ever mined? Do you know what it's like mining in a Hulk without a Survey Scanner? Do you know what happens when trying to fit a module to a ship when you've run out of CPU or PG? No ship is forced to dedicate every slot to increasing it's tank at the expense of whatever it's primary role is, so why should Hulk's be any different? Were you dropped on your head as a toddler?

Why can't you add the EHP yourself? Why does CCP have to do it for you?

Confirmed, your survey scanner has to be on your hulk for it to work.

You're starting to sound dumber and dumber. Is it late where you are? Have you been drinking? Are you mining currently? Have you ever mined? Do you know what it's like mining in a Hulk without a Survey Scanner? Do you know what happens when trying to fit a module to a ship when you've run out of CPU or PG? No ship is forced to dedicate every slot to increasing it's tank at the expense of whatever it's primary role is, so why should Hulk's be any different? Were you dropped on your head as a toddler?

what VV isn't telling you is that the tank was actually a small shield extender, two invulns and cargo mods/rigs

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what VV isn't telling you is that the tank was actually a small shield extender, two invulns and cargo mods/rigs

No, it wasn't. Keep lying profusely.

miners are special snowflakes who should not be burdened with difficult decisions like "should I give up yield or drastically increase the ability of my ship to survive a gank?"

and gankers are special snowflakes who should not be burdened with difficult decisions like "picking the right target"

To be fair, a large number of your cronies, including Ruby and Richard have been beating this nugget of dead horse around for quite awhile. It's been proven incorrect on a number of occasions, but they still believe it.

Confirmed, your survey scanner has to be on your hulk for it to work.

Because I would be killed by Goons before I could get out of lowsec.

I thought you said 0.0 was perfectly safe?

19k ehp is pretty goddamned low for a hulk even with a survey scanner in the mids

Why should Orca pilot sacrifice part of his tank to use it?
"Hulk 1 target roids @ 20km, 18km, 16km". You do realize that scanner tells distance from roid to Orca, not distance from roid to Hulk? How it works especially when Orca is inside POS forcefield or 70-80 km from Hulks.

They don't.

Of course it doesn't. But here's you being intentionally obtuse again.

Only if you're in big alliance.

You don't need to use one at all. Your lasers don't break if they run out of ore mid-cycle, do they? Nope. It's a yield module fitted at the expense of tank.

Why would the Orca be 70-80km from the Hulk?

Okay, so explain to me again why this is a necessary change?

Of course it doesn't. But here's you being intentionally obtuse again.