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Gun Gal
Dark Club
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:29:00 -
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I love your tears, keep em coming.
Ohh ya Huck the f%&k up Lern 2 play adapt or leave
Lol everything you gankers threw at industrialists is coming full circle.
Guess you now know where the power lies, and its not with you. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
434
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:30:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:The entire point is that miners haven't done anything to earn this buff. As I said earlier an appropriate buff would be purely to the fitting stats of the ships, not their EHP. Buffing the fitting stats would allow them to fit a respectable tank without too much sacrifice to yield, but no, we can't even help miners help themselves, we have to do everything for them! Your regurgitated rhetoric is terribly played out. As players we don't have the opportunity or ability to "earn buffs". They're given or taken away based on perceived imbalances in the mechanics of the game. CCP decided, and the vast majority of the forum posting populace agrees, that Barges and Exhumers needed to be rebalanced as their current incarnation just plain sucks. Whatever argument you have against this re-balance is, frankly, irrelevant as it's going to happen anyway as you and others in opposition have failed to provide meaningful evidence or sound reasoning to convince CCP to scrap their plans. The "earn buff" part was worded poorly, I admit, but the main point is the same. CCP could have easily addressed this imbalance without coddling miners the ways this current change does.
It doesn't matter what CCP thinks or what the majority (which I doubt) of the forum population believe. This is a bad change and it stands on the objective fact that it essentially nerfs intelligent gameplay (read: tanking your miner) and rewards lazy, stupid gameplay (going AFK with a max-yield mining barge fitting absolutely no tank). EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1464
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:30:00 -
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Travis117 wrote:Waaa waaaaa were going to have a harder time ganking like the l33t pvpers waaaaaaa. Wanna kill people? Go to lowsec or nullsec
if you think that PvP should be restricted to low/null, you should just go back to one of the themepark games where your hand is held throughout the ~experience~ and you can succeed in the equivalent of a shield-tanking laser megathron a rogue goon |

Pipa Porto
512
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:31:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:The hard work of Moon Goo is fighting to keep it. Not really. Few thousand supercaps / moon should do the trick.
If herding a few thousand people into a fleet is so easy, why haven't you taken any moons? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1464
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:31:00 -
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Gun Gal wrote:Guess you now know where the power lies, and its not with you.
since you're clearly so powerful you should invade nullsec with your newly buffed exhumers lmao a rogue goon |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1714
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:32:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:The entire point is that miners haven't done anything to earn this buff. As I said earlier an appropriate buff would be purely to the fitting stats of the ships, not their EHP. Buffing the fitting stats would allow them to fit a respectable tank without too much sacrifice to yield, but no, we can't even help miners help themselves, we have to do everything for them!
Yeah they should have gone around in topless with some slogans and then all to mine Jita state's face! Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Gun Gal
Dark Club
53
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:32:00 -
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Tears, more needes |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1464
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:33:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Yeah they should have gone around in topless with some slogans and then all to mine Jita state's face!
more like "the miners should have demonstrated a single instance where they lost a properly tanked exhumer to a gank"
a rogue goon |

Travis117
APEX ARDENT COALITION Persona Non Gratis
4
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:33:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Travis117 wrote:Waaa waaaaa were going to have a harder time ganking like the l33t pvpers waaaaaaa. Wanna kill people? Go to lowsec or nullsec if you think that PvP should be restricted to low/null, you should just go back to one of the themepark games where your hand is held throughout the ~experience~ and you can succeed in the equivalent of a shield-tanking laser megathron Not necessarily said pvp should e restricted to low and null .war dec if u want to high sec pvp. I think its funny the gankers are crying about this lol |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
434
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:36:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:The entire point is that miners haven't done anything to earn this buff. As I said earlier an appropriate buff would be purely to the fitting stats of the ships, not their EHP. Buffing the fitting stats would allow them to fit a respectable tank without too much sacrifice to yield, but no, we can't even help miners help themselves, we have to do everything for them! Yeah they should have gone around in topless with some slogans and then all to mine Jita state's face! See above. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1714
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:36:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Insurance fraud was taken away not because of hi sec kills but because, like boomerang, it started being used in an heavily mass, industrialized way. You can find on MD the guy (Cosmoray) who made 100B+ by manufacturing thousands of battleships and exploding them.
He started a trend, with a NPC endless ISK faucet, he posted about it and how to do it and then nobody would stop what was basically legal ISK duping. CCP intervened and removed it.
Same for boomerang, for years it was used with a brain and not spammed on the forums and CCP let it go. Then a very intelligent guy started talking about it on GD and made tutorials so droves of emulators started doing it. CCP intervened and removed it.
Same for orca ships "saving". Once again, tolerated for a long time till somebody "smart" decided to make it very public and spammable by every ganker. CCP intervened and removed it.
Don't blame hi seccer targets for the grave hi seccer gankers dug by themselves.
i'm not talking about insurance fraud, which allowed empty ships to be self-destructed at a profit boomeranging was broken and anybody who disagrees is kinda silly considering that it literally allowed you to suicide gank a freighter with one tornado orca ship saving is also stupid i'm not talking about things that are literally borderline exploits, i'm talking about the consistent goalpost moving which is gradually removing all risk from hisec
CCP have to move goals because emergent players like your corp find new and creative ways to do stuff more and more efficiently (also see the FW LP affair) and they feel like they have to counter them to keep the game under control.
Feel free to disagree of course, but in order to be relevant you'd need at least to become a relevant CCP stake holder. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1464
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:36:00 -
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Travis117 wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Travis117 wrote:Waaa waaaaa were going to have a harder time ganking like the l33t pvpers waaaaaaa. Wanna kill people? Go to lowsec or nullsec if you think that PvP should be restricted to low/null, you should just go back to one of the themepark games where your hand is held throughout the ~experience~ and you can succeed in the equivalent of a shield-tanking laser megathron Not necessarily said pvp should e restricted to low and null .war dec if u want to high sec pvp. I think its funny the gankers are crying about this lol
I realize that you want to ~spread your wings~ and fly around in an officer-fit faction battleship and be completely safe from getting ganked for your loot
sorry if I disagree a rogue goon |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1714
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:38:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Yeah they should have gone around in topless with some slogans and then all to mine Jita state's face! more like "the miners should have demonstrated a single instance where they lost a properly tanked exhumer to a gank"
I recall in the other similar thread a link to a tanked EHP ship with zero MLUs kill mail. So what? It's not like that guy now will receive a statement of Well Played by you or CCP and the ship reimbursed. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1464
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:38:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:CCP have to move goals because emergent players like your corp find new and creative ways to do stuff more and more efficiently (also see the FW LP affair) and they feel like they have to counter them to keep the game under control.
Feel free to disagree of course, but in order to be relevant you'd need at least to become a relevant CCP stake holder.
heh look at you comparing the ganking of players who made zero effort to evade ganks or mitigate the risk of being ganked to an operation that created such an obscene amount of wealth that it would have wrecked the LP market for years a rogue goon |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1663
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:39:00 -
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Travis117 wrote:war dec if u want to high sec pvp. I think its funny the gankers are crying about this lol
Please describe how to wardec that fleet of exhumers with each pilot coming from a different NPC corp. You don't need to dumb it down too much, so no need to write a step-by-step click-this-button guide for dummies.
Resorting to labelling the people you disagree with as crybabies is not enhancing the strength of your argument.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1464
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:39:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I recall in the other similar thread a link to a 19k EHP ship with zero MLUs kill mail. So what? It's not like that guy now will receive a statement of Well Played by you or CCP and the ship reimbursed.
did it predate crucible? did it have its hardeners running? did it have an obscene number of ships on its killmail? was it at war with the dudes who killed it? a rogue goon |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1714
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:41:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:CCP have to move goals because emergent players like your corp find new and creative ways to do stuff more and more efficiently (also see the FW LP affair) and they feel like they have to counter them to keep the game under control.
Feel free to disagree of course, but in order to be relevant you'd need at least to become a relevant CCP stake holder. heh look at you comparing the ganking of players who made zero effort to evade ganks or mitigate the risk of being ganked to an operation that created such an obscene amount of wealth that it would have wrecked the LP market for years
I classed both into "emergent players like your corp find new and creative ways to do stuff and more efficiently".
Please stick to written words, not your biased interpretation of them. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1464
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:41:00 -
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okay the second question was a bit of a **** move considering that it's terribly inconclusive, but if it it died to one catalyst then i somehow doubt that it had its hardeners on a rogue goon |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
434
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:43:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:okay the second question was a bit of a **** move considering that it's terribly inconclusive, but if it it died to one catalyst then i somehow doubt that it had its hardeners on Well if you put uber killmail detective mode on it's possible to guess, but who has that kind of patience? EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1464
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:45:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:okay the second question was a bit of a **** move considering that it's terribly inconclusive, but if it it died to one catalyst then i somehow doubt that it had its hardeners on Well if you put uber killmail detective mode on it's possible to guess, but who has that kind of patience?
let's not forget that he's just vaguely referring to some random killmail link buried deep in some thread somewhere so, well, its veracity can easily be questioned a rogue goon |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
122
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:53:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:did it predate crucible? did it have its hardeners running? did it have an obscene number of ships on its killmail? was it at war with the dudes who killed it?
All points are Irrelevant. Kill is a kill. Titan or 5000 Catalysts... Doesn't matter.
"Tanked Hulk can't be ganked" is what you nullbears keep saying. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1663
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:53:00 -
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Travis117 wrote:Waaa waaaaa were going to have a harder time ganking like the l33t pvpers waaaaaaa. Wanna kill people? Go to lowsec or nullsec
You need to understand how Trammel ruined Ultima Online. The designers gave the whingers such as yourself what they asked for, and the game died. Sure you could still log in and head out into the forest to kill NPCs and take their gold, but there was no longer any danger in playing the game. There was no need to interact with other people: you didn't need a posse to have a chance of coming back from a hunting expedition alive.
Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
434
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:53:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:did it predate crucible? did it have its hardeners running? did it have an obscene number of ships on its killmail? was it at war with the dudes who killed it? All points are Irrelevant. Kill is a kill. Titan or 5000 Catalysts... Doesn't matter. "Tanked Hulk can't be ganked" is what you nullbears keep saying. No... it's not... EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
201
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:55:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:This is a bad change and it stands on the objective fact that it essentially nerfs intelligent gameplay (read: tanking your miner) and rewards lazy, stupid gameplay (going AFK with a max-yield mining barge fitting absolutely no tank).
Except that this change in no way "nerfs intelligent gameplay". At the very worst this re-balance forces gankers to make a few more friends (crazy idea in an MMO, I know) and at best it diminishes the profitability of ganking. Miners are still going to be gankable in all but the most extreme circumstances that the chicken little crowd you're apart of seem to think will be the new norm. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1464
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:56:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:did it predate crucible? did it have its hardeners running? did it have an obscene number of ships on its killmail? was it at war with the dudes who killed it? All points are Irrelevant. Kill is a kill. Titan or 5000 Catalysts... Doesn't matter. "Tanked Hulk can't be ganked" is what you nullbears keep saying.
the height of irony is when the risk-averse hisec miner complains about "nullbears" who face infinitely more risk than he does for the marginally higher reward
nobody said that a tanked hulk cannot be ganked, please don't put words in our mouths
we said that a tanked hulk would not be worth bothering with unless somebody was hell-bent on killing you anyway a rogue goon |

Pipa Porto
512
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:56:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:did it predate crucible? did it have its hardeners running? did it have an obscene number of ships on its killmail? was it at war with the dudes who killed it? All points are Irrelevant. Kill is a kill. Titan or 5000 Catalysts... Doesn't matter. "Tanked Hulk can't be ganked" is what you nullbears keep saying.
Nope. Never said that.
We said it cannot be ganked profitably if properly fit (the kill in question had a Roid Scanner as part of his tank ). In addition, if you go to a higher sec band, the cost to gank a properly tanked hulk quickly becomes prohibitive. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1225
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:56:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Travis117 wrote:Waaa waaaaa were going to have a harder time ganking like the l33t pvpers waaaaaaa. Wanna kill people? Go to lowsec or nullsec You need to understand how Trammel ruined Ultima Online. The designers gave the whingers such as yourself what they asked for, and the game died. Sure you could still log in and head out into the forest to kill NPCs and take their gold, but there was no longer any danger in playing the game. There was no need to interact with other people: you didn't need a posse to have a chance of coming back from a hunting expedition alive. Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it. ... We're doomed. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Suqq Madiq
Amarr Empire
201
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:58:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:"Tanked Hulk can't be ganked" is what you nullbears keep saying. No... it's not...
To be fair, a large number of your cronies, including Ruby and Richard have been beating this nugget of dead horse around for quite awhile. It's been proven incorrect on a number of occasions, but they still believe it. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
434
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:59:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:This is a bad change and it stands on the objective fact that it essentially nerfs intelligent gameplay (read: tanking your miner) and rewards lazy, stupid gameplay (going AFK with a max-yield mining barge fitting absolutely no tank). Except that this change in no way "nerfs intelligent gameplay". At the very worst this re-balance forces gankers to make a few more friends (crazy idea in an MMO, I know) and at best it diminishes the profitability of ganking. Miners are still going to be gankable in all but the most extreme circumstances that the chicken little crowd you're apart of seem to think will be the new norm. It absolutely does, because there's no longer any incentive for miners to make intelligent choices about defending themselves. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1464
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Posted - 2012.07.27 05:59:00 -
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Suqq Madiq wrote:Except that this change in no way "nerfs intelligent gameplay". At the very worst this re-balance forces gankers to make a few more friends (crazy idea in an MMO, I know) and at best it diminishes the profitability of ganking. Miners are still going to be gankable in all but the most extreme circumstances that the chicken little crowd you're apart of seem to think will be the new norm.
except that the miners themselves are hypocrites who refuse to work with other players, refuse to take active measures to protect themselves, refuse to adapt in any way, shape or form, while telling those who hunt them that they should adapt like "everyone else" - except the miners, of course, who should never have to adapt to a hostile environment because they should not need to play the game
the gankers will adapt, they will continue preying on you and you will continue to whine a rogue goon |
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