mmmm wah! mmmm wah!

Cry baby cry! Comer on cry for me!

This is my 3rd time trying to play EVE since 2010.
Other than getting a little bored the first two times at least I made money and completed missions.
Now I cannot do either...No matter what ship I use on level 1 missions, I die...doesnt even matter that I spent 3 million on upgrades....the enemy ships in any mission kill me.
Worst thing is this is a rookie mission requiring rookie ships...
I am at a loss and cancelled my sub.....no other game has made me so frustrated, worse is that the last two times I did well.

Here's a better quote from this loser.

Posted: 2012.07.28 18:23



HAHAHA. These look a lot more like tears to me.

I die in LVL1 missions, I'm going to quit.

Come back when you get some hair on your little teabag.

If the Orca pilot cannot have the sense not to pick up a can that was flipped, they should be the ones kicked.

Also, with the new lag generating UI, its really hard to open a tractored can.


Also, you need some situational awareness if you don't notice someone warp in (exceptions being extremely crowded ice belts and station undocks). Takes about 3 whole seconds for them to do anything after they appear on the overview. And then they would have to approach the can, and flip it (another 2 seconds for the UI to react).

I always have been in extremely crowded ice belts and after 8 brain-wrecking hours of unloading stuff it's quite easy for an Orca pilot to warp back and not know somebody flipped it in his absence and take it.

I am always surprised of people (not just you but others in this thread) who pretend somebody can do the same stuff for 8 hours and then be ready and pristine for any sudden event like they just had a big sniff of lol-they-censored-it.

I feel like I am the only puny, mere human in this thread.

You just don't get it. Even in WoW they got the concept that if you have a min maxed setup, then that min maxed setup has to work better than the non min maxed setups. This is why they put simplified skill rotations on pure DPS classes. Any kind of slow down and hybrid classes and offspecs can compete with them and make them pointless.

Same for Exhumers. If it's more cumbersome to make an Hulk do work than an alternative, then it will be pointless.
If anything, it should be the other ships to be harder to setup and keep up to speed with their operation, not the Hulk.

I don't know why you miners always use this argument. You aren't getting ganked because people are afraid to risk their ship, they know well ahead of time that they are risking a ship, instead you're getting ganked because you whine and tantrum over it. The most hilarious part of all of this is that you wouldn't get ganked at all if you actually fit a tank. Like I said earlier though in ~6months when minerals crash because of the bot friendly environment brought about by these changes I'm going to laugh at you "smart" miners.

lmfao they'll just use more gank catalysts

and you'll be whining when your afk hulks keep

getting

ganked

because you don't know how to fit a tank, can't be bothered to actually be at your computer when you're playing a game rather than doing your laundry and expect the developers to give you everything on a silver platter

Any ship can be ganked anywhere.

The only difference this patch makes is that you can't easily gank miners with destroyers anymore. Your entire argument falls down on you not being willing to spend more than 1m on a gank...

Use a cruiser or a bc? You can still gank. No one is stopping you :)

]I always have been in extremely crowded ice belts and after 8 brain-wrecking hours of unloading stuff it's quite easy for an Orca pilot to warp back and not know somebody flipped it in his absence and take it.

I am always surprised of people (not just you but others in this thread) who pretend somebody can do the same stuff for 8 hours and then be ready and pristine for any sudden event like they just had a big sniff of lol-they-censored-it.

I feel like I am the only puny, mere human in this thread.

Arise, dead horse whipping thread, arise!

You are right, of course. No real ganker would take out Hulks in a Machariel (or a Vindi) . I know, because my main and her corp mates have been ganked by some of the best teams we have seen.

My exaggeration was to point out that you can still gank, it's just potentially harder to make a profit. I agree with you, and I have even posted this: some miners will continue to fly max yield paper-tank hulks.

We HTFUed and the gankage stopped:
1) tanked Orca with Shield Harmonizer II (only 253K EHP with wimpy T2 mods, in fleet, resists in the high 80s-low 90s, no EFT guesstimate)
2) proper tank for Hulks of course
3) Hulks orbit Orca (which has it's problems...)
4) Spider tankage with repper drones
5) passive tanking skills maxed in case of neut
6) Orca pilot with perfect fleet/gang link skills
7) we also try to look like space hobos so the gankers think we have nothing of value.
8) watch local of known reds

Since we no longer get ganked, for us, the new ships are icing :: tthick, delicious, icing. Now the gankers will have to rethink things. So HTFU already.

I will never talk **** in local to insight a ganker, but we'd respect any real attempt to take us out. We learned so much from dealing with so many well rehearsed teams. We may learn more if somebody tries to take us out again. But they won't. We are well prepared, a difficult set of targets,and they know it. And now it's even better.

While there are tons of factors that ultimately determine mineral prices, lots of ganking is a big net win for miners who know how to protect themselves.

120 pages of griefer tears and whinebabies \o/

This thread srsly delivers.

Being bright yellow instead of white and having a popup saying "do you really want to steal this" isn't enough of a hint for the Orca pilot?

The Hulk does yield better than the other ships. It just takes a little bit of effort and support to do it. That's called balance.

The Mack Yields less, but it's really easy and convenient to use.
The Skiff Yields less, but it's really safe to use.

I still don't give a flying what Blizzard does with their game. There is nothing about that game that interests me.

I was just thinking the same thing.

Oh delicious irony, I fill to bursting on thee.

Both of you need to pay more attention. Its the bad miners whining hard yet again because untanked hulk are going to continue to die.

Sure, but after many hours, and expecially if for any reason the warning got disabled, it becomes more and more possible.

oh for gods sake, everyone is SERIOUSLY over-reacting to these changes

to the gankers: just because some base stats get changed, doesn't mean you will stop being able to gank people. It will simply mean that in highsec, a well fit, intelligent and supported pilot will be more comfortably be able to defend himself. This is fair, normal, and not even NEW. Just modified slightly. Additionally, the new ship changes are NOT AIMED AT MAKING HIGHSEC MINING MORE PROFITABLE. They are aimed at making 0.0 mining more profitable. I for one would like to see this because highsec mining is boring as **** for everyone, miners and pvp pilots included. Tougher exhumers means ease of access to high-end 0.0 ores, and a much cheaper selection of pvp ships, as well as more variety to 0.0 pvp than running into opposing gangs of falcons and drakes.

to the miners: You will not see and end to ganking. People will still do it, it is a profession, and it is fun. Your hulks will still die, don't expect CCP to fix that any time soon. Try keeping in mind that you are a valid target, and you must fit accordingly, or be destroyed.

I for one whole heartedly support CCP in this change, it is needed, and it will make the game much more fun for everyone, as new vistas of 0.0 industry take shape, hopefully making those otherwise desolate places of EVE full of activity and industry, and not just packs of ravenous wolves supported by highsec mining corps.

I am interested in comparative games design, expecially of those who do certain things in a better way than EvE.

What you just wrote above is exactly why the Hulk is going to be not so good. On paper numbers clash with actual usability.
It can't be 500% better than the other ships, it's still comparable. A little micromanagement induced inefficiencies and it becomes barely better than the others while imposing sensible limitations and burdens and becomes just an exercise of self slaving into menial tasks.

ROFL what?

You just don't get it. Even in WoW they got the concept that if you have a min maxed setup, then that min maxed setup has to work better than the non min maxed setups. This is why they put simplified skill rotations on pure DPS classes. Any kind of slow down and hybrid classes and offspecs can compete with them and make them pointless.

Same for Exhumers. If it's more cumbersome to make an Hulk do work than an alternative, then it will be pointless.
If anything, it should be the other ships to be harder to setup and keep up to speed with their operation, not the Hulk.

So we now need to protect miners against their own fatigue and stupidity (for disabling the warning ever)?

It's BRIGHT YELLOW instead of White. After that, there's a big pop-up. If you lose your Orca because you disabled it (I don't know, because your mining buddy doesn't know how standings works or some stupidity like that), that is entirely your fault.

If TWO BIG Clues saying "something's wrong here" aren't enough to keep "realistic" Orca pilots alive, I honestly don't know what could. If you can't bother reading what a pop-up says (there are 3 pop-ups like it in HS. All three equal Death for an Orca Pilot), maybe the orca loss will wake you up.

Why should you get special protections against your own avoidable human error? Nobody else does. If you're that tired, go to bed.