I just hope to the every pagan god out there that they take another look at the Amarr destroyer. I was praying for a khanid missile boat, but if they are going to make it another arbitrator / curse, they need to make drones faster at the very least, or it will be a very poor anti frigate platform indeed. ;(

Update!

Caldari:

Removed one high slot and launcher slot, gained one mid slot - thus layout now is 7 / 4 / 2, 7 launchers

Oh great so a model that already has spaces for 8 launchers will have an annoying blank space just like the drake.

Couldn't you balance it by cutting back on tank or its bonuses? Why'd you have to go and ruin the beauty of a row of 8 launchers?

Anyway isn't missile damage supposed to compensate for the fact that they are useless at long range?

They removed the launcher and the slot, and moved it to a mid, so there's no blank space in the highs.

He meant the visual model. If the model was made to depict 8 launchers when you equip them, then if the visual model isn't adjusted when you reduced the maximum number of launchers; it will show an empty slot on the destroyer's model where an eight launcher should be visually.

I think you need to read all the frig rebalancing threads, they aren't giving up on frigs yet :P

Support Frigates
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146069

Exploration Frigates
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=143584

Ewar Frigates
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=142136

Combat Frigates
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=144693

Also Current Destroyer Rebalance.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=142102

Oh great so a model that already has spaces for 8 launchers will have an annoying blank space just like the drake.

Couldn't you balance it by cutting back on tank or its bonuses? Why'd you have to go and ruin the beauty of a row of 8 launchers?

Anyway isn't missile damage supposed to compensate for the fact that they are useless at long range?

There might be enough time for the art department to remove that eighth hardpoint. And CCP Ytterbium has been pretty attentive to this thread, so hopefully he'll see what you pointed out and will relay it to the art department.

For what it's worth, I'd have loved a destroyer decked out with eight launchers.

Oh great so a model that already has spaces for 8 launchers will have an annoying blank space just like the drake.

Couldn't you balance it by cutting back on tank or its bonuses? Why'd you have to go and ruin the beauty of a row of 8 launchers?

Anyway isn't missile damage supposed to compensate for the fact that they are useless at long range?

CCP may not change the model of that Caldari ship. They maybe keeping that empty slot on the visual model just in case they decide to make a faction destroyer. The other Caldari missile boats that have faction counterparts have an extra launcher.

"waaaa waaaa waaaa waaaa my destroyer dont'nt got 8 hig slonts i wnated all teh turrents ponsible to make look cooler"

This is literally all I hear when I listen to people whining about having seven launchers rather than eight. Just stop. Please. You're going to be able to fit a more self reliant ship at the cost of a little bit of damage which may prevent people from whining about this ship later in future, which would make it get nerfed even harder if enough people whined.

Dude. I've read all those and commented on every one of them and gotten CCP responses to some of my thoughts.

Anti-Frigate is anti-frigate. It doesn't matter how much they're "buffed", by definition - they're supposed to KILL FRIGATES. So, those threads are irrelevant to my point, because if they were relevant then the Destroyer wouldn't be good at its job as an anti-frigate platform.

More anti-frigate is really absurd at this point, even with rebalancing. I think they can have another role, that's my point.

I would like to help highlight this post, it's starting to get rather annoying to see models with blank hard points cause weapon slots was removed without changing the model to fit it, please stop doing that, the easy way to rebalance is to just remove a weapon slot, but for the sake of the design of the ship, give it the few extra minutes of effort and try and balance it out without just removing a weapon slot.

This is nothing new. Been a mildly annoying empty gun hardpoint on the Geddon forever. But really it's no big deal.

Although I can't test that on this character so I could easily be wrong.

My derp you are right. But the 7 turrets has always been annoying. It would be awesome to have 8 turrets.

I think there are some other examples of this, even if the missing hardpoint is not so noticeable, for instance the Harbinger. Such a symmetircal beauty until you notice the one gun on one side of the undercarriage. It becomes damn annoying if you focus on it long enough. I'm sure there are others but that is what's coming to mind atm.

Anyawy, not having seen the actual model with launchers on it for this new destroyer, it may not be as irritating as the Harbinger's asymmetrical irritant. Regardless, that mid it got in exchange has lots of potential.

My derp you are right. But the 7 turrets has always been annoying. It would be awesome to have 8 turrets.

I think there are some other examples of this, even if the missing hardpoint is not so noticeable, for instance the Harbinger. Such a symmetircal beauty until you notice the one gun on one side of the undercarriage. It becomes damn annoying if you focus on it long enough. I'm sure there are others but that is what's coming to mind atm.

Anyawy, not having seen the actual model with launchers on it for this new destroyer, it may not be as irritating as the Harbinger's asymmetrical irritant. Regardless, that mid it got in exchange has lots of potential.

What bothers me the most is that CCP is onboard with having 8 instant hitting turrets on as many hulls as possible, and yet acts as if 8 launcher hardpoints would be the equivalent of killing babies for sport. Nerf the bonus if you must, but keep the 8th launcher.

The turret placement on the Harbinger has always annoyed me too. But if you move one of the guns around, you can have that undercarriage hardpoint filled up. The flip side is that you now have a gun missing on the wings. But even then, with the right placement, you can get those five wing guns somewhat symmetrical. I have the top row filled up and and the first and third on the bottom row filled up.

Of course, CCP could always spare us the grief and give the Harbinger eight turrets. (A guy can dream, can't he?)

What bothers me the most is that CCP is onboard with having 8 instant hitting turrets on as many hulls as possible, and yet acts as if 8 launcher hardpoints would be the equivalent of killing babies for sport. Nerf the bonus if you must, but keep the 8th launcher.

As many hulls as possible? there are tier 3 bs, tier 3 bcs a couple of faction bs, the coercer the catalyst and the apoc.

More than the missile boats get.

There is a reason that the only missile boat most people tolerate for PVP is the drake, and that's because of the tank.

Though this assertion is wrong...

And if you don't know why, then you don't know what you are talking about.