It's all about the ~principle~ of the thing.

Not to mention that miners don't actually want to defend themselves or do any kind of thing in game to cause the thing they want to happen to happen. They want someone else to do it for them, namely CCP.

Actually simply allowing themselves to be beaten up actually does cause the thing they want to happen, to happen.

CCP comes along and buffs them.


You're underestimating the amazing cunning displayed by their apparent apathy even after reaching the pain threshold.

Stop that, it's depressing.

you know it to be true.

I do.
And that's why every time I read one of your recent posts, I need a hug.

Another "pump isk rewards to low and null-sec in order to attract players" suggestion?

Really it is starting to get old.

And miners and everything related aside...bumping as a game mechanic is hardly...ideal. At the very least make size and mass actually play a PROPER role.

It's a shame that there is no kind of collision damage in the game, but with the way pathfinding and anything that has to do with the way you move your ship is right now it's probably for the best. After all, one of the minuses of EVE is the fact that it tries to emulate a bumper car attraction from some tivoli.

Make veldper ore sell for 5isk

That's something that only you can do yourself. Instead of complaining about it, make it happen.

That's something that only you can do yourself. Instead of complaining about it, make it happen.

Moaning antyminers - There is a reason why you dont do mining, BECAUSE IT IS ******* BORING!!! Its not as AFK as people make it. You still need swap rocks and move, its not like you warp in, set 2 asteroids to mine, then come back after x minutes to haul it back, then rinse and repeat. We have to do this stupid boring ****, because people will always need materials to build those ships, that you lose in hundreds while having fun in PVP. Mining brings profit, but my **** it is BORING!!!

You know this is why hi-sec miners get so much hate. You say you want the prices to drop to 5 isk, yet you aren't willing to organise an initiative to make that happen. Instead you come here whining to CCP to flood the market instead.

Don't talk to me about Apple products, please. If you think I'm wrong, offer a relevant counter to my complaint.

Let me summarise your complaint in simple terms.
1. I want the price of Tritanium to drop to 5 ISK per unit.
2. I don't want to put in the hard work and effort to realise my vision.
3. I'll declare it is CCP's duty to flood the market so I can get what I want.

This is the way of high-sec miners.

See how this differs from the miner bumpers? The miner bumpers have some agenda or vision, and they have put in the hard work and effort so they can create the changes they yearn for themselves. They haven't come here and begged CCP to change mechanics to suit what they want... Perhaps some of them have. The point is, they are doing something because they can, for whatever reason that might be.

Which of these seems more honourable to you?

i am just offering IDEA and trying to show why this **** happens that we have now.

My point is that the players have the tools they need to make ideas like these happen. A lot of players do make things like this happen because they take the initiative to make them happen.

I wasn't making a big deal about the 5 ISK thing, I was making a big deal about players who would see the quality of the game reduced because they are too lazy to figure things out for themselves. This is the reason high-sec miners are targeted, because they tend to be the most vocal in cases where these demands are made.