They do have a real way to enforce it, hence all the miners whining about the bumping.

Well inform me how they can force me to pay them? I asked James already and he ignored it, so maybe you can help? Details please sir.

They can't force you to pay it, but they can certainly deny you the ability to mine in that system.

And what is "in-game authority?" Authority implies having the means to enforce a code, the code is "pay for the right to mine here and you won't be bumped." It's basic emergent gameplay.

if bumping is all he does to miner, thats small hassle, set your mining ship to orbit asteroid your not mining Get bumped and ship will automaticly return to mining range.

No. They shouldn't have to leave because of some player with a vendetta against another person's gameplay.

And just like before there are a lot of ways to counter it already. Miners didn't need the extra EHP and they sure as hell dont need a new anti bump module.

They do have something to counter it with. They have a brain and all they need to do is to learn to use it in a befitting manner.

Then they might need to learn to defend themselves or find ways to deal with other people who have a vendetta against a type of gameplay.

It's not hard to avoid people you don't want to interact with, I do it all the time in game. The difference between me and most miners is that I put in the time, research, and practice to find out how to defend myself and avoid other people.

Could say the same for nulbears during nul nerfs, low sec people for...everything, and gankers during the barge buff. They also demonized PvE and mining carebears.

Then they might need to learn to defend themselves or find ways to deal with other people who have a vendetta against a type of gameplay.

It's not hard to avoid people you don't want to interact with, I do it all the time in game. The difference between me and most miners is that I put in the time, research, and practice to find out how to defend myself and avoid other people.

Instead of dragging this out, I'm going to agree to disagree. I don't feel like arguing the same point for another 50 posts.

Oh us poor miners, we never look at local, we do not use Teamspeak or other such tools. I know I do not have 27 systems in which I keep mining ships, that would be to much for us poor miners to do.

Oh us poor miners, we never look at local, we do not use Teamspeak or other such tools. I know I do not have 27 systems in which I keep mining ships, that would be to much for us poor miners to do.

But the key difference here is a group of players that demand that CCP harshly punishes other players for interacting with this group, including actions taken against the "offending" players' account and it is not the "sociopaths" or "belligerent undesirables" that demand this.

You disagree with the fact that in a PvP game you might need to defend yourself from other players?

I disagree that a sandbox game should have bullies keeping people in the real world from enjoying something they do without an actual mechanic to defend against it.

But there are ways to defend against it.

without an actual mechanic to defend against it.

I disagree that a sandbox game should have bullies keeping people in the real world from enjoying something they do without an actual mechanic to defend against it.

You keep repeating this. It's an entirely false statement.

Funny how that same "scum" helps supply you with your ships and equipment..

Aggressive unstoppable action begets aggressive reactions I suppose. I don't blame them.

this entire thread is an exercise in repletion since post 1

See, that's what gets me. Here we're playing a PvP sandbox game and we have a subset of "players" (one wonders why we keep up the pretense, they're actually robots) who "take" abuse. Given that we're:
A. Playing a video game
B. Playing a PvP game
C. Playing a sandbox game
I have to ask why anyone is forced to "take abuse"?

I have no pity, whatsoever, for people who consider themselves "victims" in a video game.

Also just telling them to goto a different system may work, or they might just be followed. Either way, they're displaced.

And as I said...I don't believe they are effective means. Effective would be a module or some such, not a duct tape "orbit" method (which doesn't work) or web method (which also doesn't work). Also just telling them to goto a different system may work, or they might just be followed. Either way, they're displaced.

This entire thread is an exercise in hilarious outrage at some guy who took a great extortion scheme and the means to enforce it, and blew it up into a metagame phenomenon.

And their solution to their woes, it being bumping by players or being attacked by players, is to ban the accounts or introduce a anti-bumping module. That is not a aggressive reaction, it is ******* pathetic!

No it's not.

There is a 100% effective mechanic in place. Simply right click the Agents name and select "Give Money". Enter the license fee of 10 million isk and bobs your uncle.

They have sp set to indy not pvp and the ships are indy ships not pvp.

People come here and try to place all the miners in the same catagory to justify their own ignorance and bias and hatred for a type of game play they dont like or understand.

This type of of ignorance can be found in abundance in real life and not just in this game.

Do you feel being displaced is a worthy reason to demand intervention from CCP? Is being forced to move to another system so game breaking that the whole community has to be punished? Is there a viable solution to this inconvenience that would not harm the quality of the experience the game offers for every single player?

There is a 100% effective mechanic in place. Simply right click the Agents name and select "Give Money". Enter the license fee of 10 million isk and bobs your uncle.

Of course it is. You even said yourself you can move to another system but dismissed it as being too inconvenient. Well if they don't want to move to another system, why not try surrounding themselves in a castle made of Jump Freighters? That would stop people bumping you. Of course that would take imagination and organization. Worst of all, it would ruin their boredom because it would be fun to try it out.

Well, they're frustrated. Banning is a bit much, but the module I understand (also you clearly took the 'ban' posts a wee bit too seriously).