I'm getting tired of people talking about this. Just hire some dam mercs with all those iskies you made from mining .

Whilst I do not agree with the whining going on about it, the fact remains that the bumper incurs no cost for his actions and a cost is required to stop it.

In fact the bumper profits in that he gains a killright and insurance payout. For ZERO risk.

Let's be true to our game if nothing else.

If we are to do anything - stop the NPC corp hiding so he can be at least wardecced.

Whilst I do not agree with the whining going on about it, the fact remains that the bumper incurs no cost for his actions and a cost is required to stop it.

In fact the bumper profits in that he gains a killright and insurance payout. For ZERO risk.

Let's be true to our game if nothing else.

If we are to do anything - stop the NPC corp hiding so he can be at least wardecced.

Wouldn't this also allow for Miners hiding in NPC corps to be war decced? The most likely outcome here is that since James 315 is at least nominally aware of game mechanics, he'd simply utilize dec shields, and perhaps utilize free services listed elsewhere on these fine forums to trap said miners in perma-war decs. The miners on the other hand, by and large being less savvy in terms of these nuances, (i'm not saying all miners, but lets be honest, lots of them) would likely just end up griefing themselves twice as hard. Not that I disagree with any of it mind you, if it results in more pvp under any circumstances, I wholeheartedly endorse it.

I acutaly made an idea for a anti bumper module in a different thread on this topic.

High slot module that puts up a bubble around your ship (porportional to the size of your ship) that no other ship can enter, and is flung back when comeing into contact with it.

It would use a decent amount of cap, and take a preaty large amount of CPU..

If it goes on a low slot, that means the miner would have to give up a MLU II, so it will never be used and they will still complain.
If it goes on the midslot, they probably wouldn't fit it anyway, and if it did it means their ship would be much easier to gank, so they will complain.

"Harry Potter" Is coming so you dont need to unite. Workers are just about to finish theme park for you. Just few weeks and will be ready.

Miners whine that people can steal from them and they should be able to defend themselves against people who steal from them. CCP says okay and implements aggression for stealing.


Miners cry about not being able to kill the people who steal from them by themselves and they need everyone else in space to help them to "Make it fair". CCP says okay and we get crimewatch 2.0.

Miners cry about insurance payouts for gankig. CCP says okay and removes insurance payouts for ganking.

Miners cry about their untanked ships not having enough EHP. CCP says okay and increases mining barge and exhumer EHP.

Now miners are crying about people bumping their ships. Given the pattern of pandering to the every whim of miners I'm going to bet we'll see something about this in patch notes soon.

It should be noted that miners don't actually want to shoot at anyone and never have done. They just want it to be totally impossible for anyone to do anything to them that has any affect on their ability to mine AFK in an untanked ship without having to account for the fact that there are other people playing the game.

Miners haven't ever made meaningful attempts to defend themselves, they want the game mechanics to render them invulnerable to anything other players can conceive to do to them, and CCP is always happy to oblige.

So yup, let's jump straight to it and have anyone who bumps a barge get concorded already.

Wouldn't this also allow for Miners hiding in NPC corps to be war decced?

If it goes on a low slot, that means the miner would have to give up a MLU II, so it will never be used and they will still complain. If it goes on the midslot, they probably wouldn't fit it anyway, and if it did it means their ship would be much easier to gank, so they will complain.

Yes they're acquiring ore that could have gone to other miners

So why do members of the new order hide in npc corps?
Should not they wear their conviction on their chest and fly high the colors of progress?
Do they think that by skulking about amongst unwashed masses their message shall be heard?
I say NO!
Their tactics of bumping paint themselves clearly as washed up fighters to timid to even suicide gank a miner.
If they were so prgogressive and forward thinking, they should cleanse New Eden with Artillery and blaster.
With a smile on their face and the support and cheering of all.
But they do not.
They run, they cower in npc corps, they refuse to settle as men or even as a woman.
They scurry as vermin, nipping at ankles, and spreading rot and decay.

(we can argue "counter" ofc but i think you get what i'm saying)

Now miners are crying about people bumping their ships. Given the pattern of pandering to the every whim of miners I'm going to bet we'll see something about this in patch notes soon.

That doesn't even make sense.

They are bullies

filing petitions

while they ruin our game

that may make it even harder to be left alone to mine in peace.

[A]sk for any donations[.]

High slot module that puts up a bubble around your ship (porportional to the size of your ship) that no other ship can enter, and is flung back when comeing into contact with it.

Every action is followed by an equal and opposite reaction.

Simple.

Unfortunately education standards have really fallen hard the last 30 years.

Why another post on James 315? The OP is playing right into his hand by making another post about this. Miner tears on the forums will only embolden him even more.

Every action is followed by an equal and opposite reaction.

Simple.

This character doesn't have many combat skills, but I'm looking into acquiring a fighter, I advise you to do the same.

I bet is the reason that many miners are pissed off at him, even tho they don't even realize it.

I bet a large chunk of those miners are part of the RPG illusion

I think I can understand why miners are getting so butt hurt about this James fellow. Hell it pisses me off to some extent that he thinks he has the "divine right" and that hes the "savior of high sec". Hes implementing rules into a sandbox, making you follow them, and pay him for it. 10m isn't much, but forcing your own ideals is something I STRONGLY despise. Both in real life and in this game. I bet his rules are the reason they are this pissed.

The counter to bumping is bumping. Why has no one pointed out the obvious?

Equal force in this game has to always be met with equal force. If I can't shoot you and you can't shoot me and you damn well shouldn't be able to shoot me if I bump you. You SHOULD be able to bump me.

So yo, Copernicus,

jump in a stabber and try

Counter 1 = Orbit the damn roid as close as possible.

Amazing.

Wait, mining barges can orbit?


Counter 2 = Probe gravimetric site and mine away.

Oh you don't have a clue about probing? Also what are gravimetric sites? I am not surprised...


Counter 3 = Go to a less ******** system. You don't "have to" mine with the rest of the herd you know.

Effort, right?

I would think of something witty and funny to say back. If I understood what you mean.

Counter 1 = Orbit the damn roid as close as possible.

Counter 2 = Probe gravimetric site and mine away.

Counter 3 = Go to a less ******** system. You don't "have to" mine with the rest of the herd you know.

Effort is a major issue in EVE Online. We all know about it.

I'm glad I stopped trying to convince my friends to play. If I had to defend miner bumping as a sandbox activity I would be embarrassed.

Carry on though if that's your bag.

How is it any different from bumping people on the undock or bumping people to prevent them warping? same mechanic, same result.

I'm glad I stopped trying to convince my friends to play. If I had to defend miner bumping as a sandbox activity I would be embarrassed.

Carry on though if that's your bag.

How is it any different from bumping people on the undock or bumping people to prevent them warping? same mechanic, same result.

As a member of the belligerently undesirable group that the OP is complaining about, if a bunch of miners can actually team up to provide some meaningful content, instead of hammering away at chunks of ice all day, then more power to them.

That would mean that some of the aims of the New Order have been accomplished, we will have forced you to be aware that Eve is a social game where both actions and inactions have consequences. Currently some Ice miners are guilty of inaction, the consequences are that they get bumped, the inaction in this case is twofold, one is failure to purchase a permit, the other is a failure to actually play the game instead of plugging away at inexhaustible resources.

How is it any different from bumping people on the undock or bumping people to prevent them warping? same mechanic, same result.

Bumping someone off a station has strategic value if they're playing docking games, and bumping to prevent warp falls under the same umbrella. Bumping in those situations actually sounds like a neat tool in PvP.

Miner bumping at its core is just harassment, and if I had to defend it as an activity it would be "Eve is neat because people can be obnoxious and it's A-OK!" Or, to put it another way, take that Eve is Real video and replace large scale PvP fights with people bumping miners. Would you really want to show that to your friends when you tell them how cool the game is? I sure as hell wouldn't.

And just a FYI, I gave up mining a long time ago and am not really affected by this either way.

"I was there. We went to this ice field and there were miners mining ice, and we weren't going to let that happen. Not without bumping. And then 5 new miners warped into the field. But the fleet commander, he kept it together. They were expecting me to fly 50 clicks at max speed in the general direction of the miners. I didn't know if I was gonna make it. And then I bounced off the miner, because collisions don't occur in eve. And then I ran to the forums to tell everyone. I was there."

Make ice and roids destructible so they can be obliterated by guns. Bumping problem solved!

Make ice and roids destructible so they can be obliterated by guns. Bumping problem solved!

Make ice and roids destructible so they can be obliterated by guns. Bumping problem solved!

How is it that miners always have such ****** representation on the forums?

"I was there. We went to this ice field and there were miners mining ice, and we wanted to mine ice as well. Not without bing able to AFK in peace and safety. And then 5 new miners warped into the field. But the fleet commander, he kept it together. They knew ice never runs out, so we kept on mining. I didn't know if I was gonna make it. Then the Orca arrived, it helped us with its bonuses. And then I ran to the forums to tell everyone. I was there."

What gives you the right to think you can force upon your own dumbass "idea" of how this great game of Eve should be played? Mining is a very viable career choice for many players. If that's how THEY want to play, who are you to say they aren't "actually playing the game"? Your one-sided, flawed logic is almost laughable. Except I feel sorry for you

So yup, let's jump straight to it and have anyone who bumps a barge get concorded already.

CCP looks at the amount of money they make off the vast majority that PvE and makes it so...

At some point the vocal minority has to realize where all the sand in the sandbox is coming from.

Doesn't work.


Heard a rumour bumpers can also scan. back to 1 maybe?


THAT is the smart one - as long as you're not constantly followed.

Then it MIGHT be deemed griefing....

Miners cry about not being able to kill the people who steal from them by themselves and they need everyone else in space to help them to "Make it fair". CCP says okay and we get crimewatch 2.0.

There is a very easy way to beat James315. Move to another system.

How can people be so dumb and get so frustrated when the answer is so simple?

You know the most ironic part of this whole thread? OP is probably just James315's alt trying to get more attention for his crappy bumping that nobody cares about.

I have been in contact with many industrialists and we are pooling our resources to higher mercs to deal with them. I would like to take this opportunity to ask for any donations our wealthy fellow industrialists are willing to offer. Our only hope is to fight fire with fire. This character doesn't have many combat skills, but I'm looking into acquiring a fighter, I advise you to do the same.

There's also tear mass tanking, where you weigh your ship down with so much QQ that you can't be bumped.

Tsk tsk tsk, when all you need is bump the bumper...and it's the easiest thing to do to get their tears in local

Bumping miners is not against the rules. If you keep your mining ship moving while you mine (by orbiting your target for example) then the bumper will probably miss you."

This is complete B&%% S&*#!

How dare they force you to push an orbit button! I had to hit like 4 buttons last night and only wanted to hit 3 please hotfix CCP!

Your right, you do need to do something about it.

Filing petitions though is not the answer, because they're not breaking the EULA.

When the bounty system hits, you need to get people to put bounties on them, hire bounty hunter and merc corps.
They'll get their just deserts, but you need to do it in game. No one is going to do it for you, unless you give them an incentive.

In game crimes require in game consequences. Stop whining and start gathering an army. Get to work.

If you haven't been personally harassed by the "New Order" you have most likely heard of them. They are bullies. I have tried speaking with them and filing petitions, it would seem that neither these "agents" or the GM's can be reasoned with. I have personally spoken with James 315 and can testify that he's not even as "compassionate" and "reasonable" as he makes himself seem in his stupid blog. He is a hateful man who despises miners on his own bigoted principle. He just can't stand the fact that we don't want to play with him, or his way, I think it stems from some kind of real life loneliness. In addition to that, it would seem that many changes are coming with the new expansion that may make it even harder to be left alone to mine in peace.

We cannot sit idly by while they ruin our game! Every petition filed is answered with a blow-off statement or this from his blog post

"Hello,

Bumping miners is not against the rules. If you keep your mining ship moving while you mine (by orbiting your target for example) then the bumper will probably miss you."

This is complete B&%% S&*#!

I have been in contact with many industrialists and we are pooling our resources to higher mercs to deal with them. I would like to take this opportunity to ask for any donations our wealthy fellow industrialists are willing to offer. Our only hope is to fight fire with fire. This character doesn't have many combat skills, but I'm looking into acquiring a fighter, I advise you to do the same.

DEATH TO THE NEW ORDER!

Bottom line: the words "miners" and "fight" should never be used in a sentence together, it doesn't make any sense.

I'm glad I stopped trying to convince my friends to play. If I had to defend miner bumping as a sandbox activity I would be embarrassed.

Carry on though if that's your bag.

Counter 1 = Orbit the damn roid as close as possible.

Amazing.

Wait, mining barges can orbit?

Counter 2 = Probe gravimetric site and mine away.

Oh you don't have a clue about probing? Also what are gravimetric sites? I am not surprised...

Counter 3 = Go to a less ******** system. You don't "have to" mine with the rest of the herd you know.

Effort, right?

The new order is growing all the time, that's a temporary solution.

People are proud because they bump miners, how stupid, i think ship spining is more excited than bumping miners, oh wait EvE is full of mature people.

Stop comparing things people do in a video game to ****, that's pretty much the most disgusting thing I've ever seen on an internet forum.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

It's like I said earlier, these bumper people all tend to have similar personalities; rude, obnoxious, immature, "rapish" type of folks who enjoy irritating the **** out of people (check out that Solstice Project guy for example. That guys posts prove him to be a Grade-A, V-Card holding sociopath).

I mean seriously what other entertainment could they get from it? A challenge? No. You do it because you enjoy annoying people. Bottom line.

Let's be clear; these are carebears. They are engaging targets they know won't/don't want to fight back.

The only real effect I see these losers having on the game is increased ore prices.

I'd for one love to see CCP end this crap, it's not even realistic. Ships should blow up if they run into each other.

As for miners, I also support making higher end ore/minerals/gases harder to obtain. Risk should be increased for the increased profit, but this bumping **** is just an excuse for socially ******** people to be douchebags.

I am one of those people you describe. I also work as a dentist.

At your service.

how people behave on these forums and in game should be taken VERY seriously in evaluating that persons RL character.

For instance, you won't see any of these pussies "bumping" that hitchhiker on the on-ramp of the interstate out of some bullshit adherence to meritocratic views, because he just might get the **** knocked out of him.

Dude we're all successful here.

Watch this.

I'm an attorney.

OH SNEEYAAAAP SOOOOON!!!!

Doobay!!!!

I think you may have just accidentally invalidated your opinion by contradicting yourself.

A attorney that does drugs. Does your employer know about this?

@ Max Doobie, either you're an alt or you genuinely are new here.

The personas that people use in game are not necessarily reflective of their true persona, many call gankers and PvPers sociopaths and egomaniacs, many of these gankers are professionals in real life, there are soldiers, policemen and women, doctors, lawyers, politicians and even CEO's of global companies who are gankers/PvP players, if they were truly sociopaths would they hold those positions in life?

There are 3 letters in MMORPG that are important here, RP & G standing for roleplaying game, Eve presents the chance to project any persona you want, some choose to be complete asshats in complete contrast to their real life personalities, alternatively some project their real personalities into their game personas.

If you read through some of the sub forums, especially new citizens q&a you will find some of the people you have labeled as rude, obnoxious and irritating go out of their way to help new players find their feet in Eve.

A attorney that does drugs. Does your employer know about this?

Yes because no doctors, lawyers, bankers, engineers, etc do drugs right?


Go to sleep.

How so?

Do tell Doobie.

It's like I said earlier, these bumper people all tend to have similar personalities; rude, obnoxious, immature, "rapish" type of folks who enjoy irritating the **** out of people (check out that Solstice Project guy for example. That guys posts prove him to be a Grade-A, V-Card holding sociopath).

What people do behind closed doors, with no fear of consequence or retribution is 100% telling of who they are as a person. So if anything, how people behave on [...] forums and in game should be taken VERY seriously in evaluating that persons RL character.

For instance...

The part where you claimed the way people act in an online game has anything to do with the way they act in real life and then then argued it by contradicting your assessment. Unless your point was that the behaviours are unrelated, in which case, I apologise.

If you haven't been personally harassed by the "New Order" you have most likely heard of them. They are bullies. I have tried speaking with them and filing petitions, it would seem that neither these "agents" or the GM's can be reasoned with. I have personally spoken with James 315 and can testify that he's not even as "compassionate" and "reasonable" as he makes himself seem in his stupid blog. He is a hateful man who despises miners on his own bigoted principle. He just can't stand the fact that we don't want to play with him, or his way, I think it stems from some kind of real life loneliness. In addition to that, it would seem that many changes are coming with the new expansion that may make it even harder to be left alone to mine in peace.

We cannot sit idly by while they ruin our game! Every petition filed is answered with a blow-off statement or this from his blog post

"Hello,

Bumping miners is not against the rules. If you keep your mining ship moving while you mine (by orbiting your target for example) then the bumper will probably miss you."

This is complete B&%% S&*#!

I have been in contact with many industrialists and we are pooling our resources to higher mercs to deal with them. I would like to take this opportunity to ask for any donations our wealthy fellow industrialists are willing to offer. Our only hope is to fight fire with fire. This character doesn't have many combat skills, but I'm looking into acquiring a fighter, I advise you to do the same.

DEATH TO THE NEW ORDER!

For instance, when I play counterstrike I often kill SEALs, SAS, GSG9 and other heroic law-enforcement and military personnel. Tell me again what that says about me in real life?

It depends on your intentions in regards to how you interact in a competitive environment. If your intentions are genuinely competitive and constructive, fine. If your intentions are to grief and annoy, that's something else. I'm not analyzing the gameplay. I'm analyzing the interactions. 2 people can play basketball and have 2 different ways of going about the social aspect of the game. That's my point.

Have you ever conversed with Solstice? I have, he's by no means a sociopath, he just plays the game the way he wants to.

Did you never dream of being a pirate as a kid? Eve can fulfil that dream, you just have to have the balls to step up and grab that dream.

Again, I'm not critiquing how he plays the game. It's how he goes about the social aspect that I'm talking about and in that respect, from what I see on the forums the guy is a total dickhole. Especially to new players who simply voice some concerns about the game. ESPECIALLY when it pertains to PVP. I'm not saying he's bad because he's a pirate in game. I'm saying he's a f**knut because of him constantly verbally assaulting people simply for having an opposing view on something.

The point was that people show their true colors in this type of environment

It depends on your intentions in regards to how you interact in a competitive environment. If your intentions are genuinely competitive and constructive, fine. If your intentions are to grief and annoy, that's something else

All of New Eden is a competitive environment, it's just some people didn't bother to find that out before they started playing, and refuse to accept the truth when it's brutally forced on them by things like ganking, bumping, etc. Then, rather than walk away from a game that isn't for them, they try to enforce their pre-conceived notions about what the game *should* be on those of us who are actually here for what it's designed for.

CCP Implemented a Block option for this problem .

If that's the case then why did CCP Outlaw can baiting in noob systems? Even CCP sets up boundaries, so it's not "no holds barred, fend for yourself".

Why walk away. Everyone here has something about the game they don't like, so therefore by your logic, everyone should quit instead of suggesting changes, right?

Miners whine that people can steal from them and they should be able to defend themselves against people who steal from them. CCP says okay and implements aggression for stealing.


Miners cry about not being able to kill the people who steal from them by themselves and they need everyone else in space to help them to "Make it fair". CCP says okay and we get crimewatch 2.0.

Miners cry about insurance payouts for gankig. CCP says okay and removes insurance payouts for ganking.

Miners cry about their untanked ships not having enough EHP. CCP says okay and increases mining barge and exhumer EHP.

Now miners are crying about people bumping their ships. Given the pattern of pandering to the every whim of miners I'm going to bet we'll see something about this in patch notes soon.

The point was that people show their true colors in this type of environment, not that they act the same way in RL as they do in game. A person can do great thing IRL but have horrible character. Why? Because IRL< for most people, there are consequences for your actions. Whereas in game and on forums, there aren't therefore the have no incentive to be tactful in any way.

If that's the case then why did CCP Outlaw can baiting in noob systems? Even CCP sets up boundaries, so it's not "no holds barred, fend for yourself".

Why walk away. Everyone here has something about the game they don't like, so therefore by your logic, everyone should quit instead of suggesting changes, right?

I'm getting tired of people talking about this. Just hire some dam mercs with all those iskies you made from mining .

I'm getting tired of James and his crew posting "miner" whine threads and pretending it's miners.

Actually can't decide if this James and company player action to point out the flaws with:

NPC Corps?
Mechanics of mining?
Merc contracts and kill rights?
Bounties?

Jeez people, we have to put our money where our mouth is! Prove we aren't the wimps they assume we are!

So why do members of the new order hide in npc corps?
Should not they wear their conviction on their chest and fly high the colors of progress?
Do they think that by skulking about amongst unwashed masses their message shall be heard?
I say NO!
Their tactics of bumping paint themselves clearly as washed up fighters to timid to even suicide gank a miner.
If they were so prgogressive and forward thinking, they should cleanse New Eden with Artillery and blaster.
With a smile on their face and the support and cheering of all.
But they do not.
They run, they cower in npc corps, they refuse to settle as men or even as a woman.
They scurry as vermin, nipping at ankles, and spreading rot and decay.

The sad little man known as James 315 has raised 21 BILLION ISK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DEATH TO THE NEW ORDER!

I invested 10b into Somer blink last night and cashed out with 22b 30 minutes later. Might do it again today and see if I can raise my winnings to 21b in another 30 minutes.

Without bumping anyone.


Will I need to log or fly something?

Jeez people, we have to put our money where our mouth is! Prove we aren't the wimps they assume we are!

Every ISK I recieve will go DIRECTLY to killing and podding these brain-dead agents. That's the only way! If we start podding them and COSTING THEM REAL MONEY, they will realize this boring cowardly behavior is EXPENSIVE as well!

So why do members of the new order hide in npc corps?

Should not they wear their conviction on their chest and fly high the colors of progress?

Their tactics of bumping paint themselves clearly as washed up fighters to timid to even suicide gank a miner.If they were so progressive and forward thinking, they should cleanse New Eden with Artillery and blaster.With a smile on their face and the support and cheering of all

They run, they cower in npc corps, they refuse to settle as men or even as a woman.

They scurry as vermin, nipping at ankles, and spreading rot and decay.

You need to provide some content first, and the forums are not the place to do that. Show us what we're paying for; James has (and it's ******* hilarious).

We also smile and giggle like little schoolgirls when we do inflict a righteous gank upon a deserving miner.

Once again just to beat the point home, see my reply to your first point, also your wording seems to indicate that you believe women are not as capable as men, I do believe that one of the GSF FC's is both a woman and extremely competent at it.

How do we know you're not just a James315 alt trying to raise even more money from miners to use against them?

Mysterious and many are the workings of the Saviour of HiSec, for his spirit is everywhere, save in hearts that are impure...those that like it not should surely gnash their teeth, rend their garments and stay at the keyboard whilst playing the game.

The Saviour of HiSec is filled with love and mercy, whether you show thanks for his efforts or not.

Also, the New Order has none of a "rapish" aspect, for thou art surely asking for it.

What gives you the right to think you can force upon your own dumbass "idea" of how this great game of Eve should be played? Mining is a very viable career choice for many players. If that's how THEY want to play, who are you to say they aren't "actually playing the game"? Your one-sided, flawed logic is almost laughable. Except I feel sorry for you

I lolled, if it is sarcasm, it's still funny as hell.

Also, the New Order has none of a "rapish" aspect, for thou art surely asking for it.

How do we know you're not just a James315 alt trying to raise even more money from miners to use against them?

Well, I suppose you can't know that, but go ahead, let your fear of him further dictate your lives!

(throws hands up)

I mined Ice in Deninard for two weeks in anticipation of the blobs of Destroyers. And I don't even need Gallente Ice.

They never came.

Confirming that you're a special snowflake. My advice: Keep mining ICE there.

Screw that. I went back to Rich Plag and Dense Veld. I need Trit and pyrite. Those Abaddon's aint gonna build them selves.

Abaddon, huh.

Where do you use them...

The Sky Marshall, yes.

I must say, though, that when it comes to smiling and giggling, little schoolgirls are the ~best~ at it. You try beating them at that.

Why, you gonna come get me?

Use a tracking agent like the rest of us nub,

Why doesn't a big alliance just war dec him?

"we're getting suicide ganked too much!"
"we're getting bumped too much!"
"we're getting suicide jammed while AFK mining this is totally unfair!"
"we're getting our belts cleaned out too much!"

the common theme is "other players are doing things to me that I don't like, this is a sandbox that is obviously not allowed"

So let me get this strait. Some group calling themselves new order or something like that think the miners are care bears so now this order bumps them off the asteroids while themselves hiding in a npc corp to avoid repercussions? Who are the real care bears here?

Who are the real care bears here?

Probably the people who constantly moan to the developers to make it totally impossible for other players to interact with them in any way that they don't like and then when the developers do exactly what they want they whine that it wasn't enough and that if they just make everything a little safer and make the punishments for people they don't like just bit more extreme they'll be fine.

Doesn't really matter who the carebears are, the whole thing is hilarious. The New Order is bringing content to miners and all they're really doing is whining about it.

You know, mining should give you an aggression timer

And that, in turn, brings us, the forum-dwellers and local-purveyors, great content.

No, I assume

Just seems incredibly boring to spend game time bumping, miners in high sec. Not that mining in high sec is any less boring. No idea why some kids are so fixated on high sec miners, high sec mining pay is crap.

Why doesn't a big alliance just war dec him?

10 Million ISK and you will not get bumped this seems alot cheaper than declaring war or hiring mercs.

It's all about the ~principle~ of the thing.

Not to mention that miners don't actually want to defend themselves or do any kind of thing in game to cause the thing they want to happen to happen. They want someone else to do it for them, namely CCP.

Actually simply allowing themselves to be beaten up actually does cause the thing they want to happen, to happen.

CCP comes along and buffs them.


You're underestimating the amazing cunning displayed by their apparent apathy even after reaching the pain threshold.

Stop that, it's depressing.

you know it to be true.

I do.
And that's why every time I read one of your recent posts, I need a hug.

Another "pump isk rewards to low and null-sec in order to attract players" suggestion?

Really it is starting to get old.

And miners and everything related aside...bumping as a game mechanic is hardly...ideal. At the very least make size and mass actually play a PROPER role.

It's a shame that there is no kind of collision damage in the game, but with the way pathfinding and anything that has to do with the way you move your ship is right now it's probably for the best. After all, one of the minuses of EVE is the fact that it tries to emulate a bumper car attraction from some tivoli.

Make veldper ore sell for 5isk

That's something that only you can do yourself. Instead of complaining about it, make it happen.

That's something that only you can do yourself. Instead of complaining about it, make it happen.

Moaning antyminers - There is a reason why you dont do mining, BECAUSE IT IS ******* BORING!!! Its not as AFK as people make it. You still need swap rocks and move, its not like you warp in, set 2 asteroids to mine, then come back after x minutes to haul it back, then rinse and repeat. We have to do this stupid boring ****, because people will always need materials to build those ships, that you lose in hundreds while having fun in PVP. Mining brings profit, but my **** it is BORING!!!

You know this is why hi-sec miners get so much hate. You say you want the prices to drop to 5 isk, yet you aren't willing to organise an initiative to make that happen. Instead you come here whining to CCP to flood the market instead.

Don't talk to me about Apple products, please. If you think I'm wrong, offer a relevant counter to my complaint.

Let me summarise your complaint in simple terms.
1. I want the price of Tritanium to drop to 5 ISK per unit.
2. I don't want to put in the hard work and effort to realise my vision.
3. I'll declare it is CCP's duty to flood the market so I can get what I want.

This is the way of high-sec miners.

See how this differs from the miner bumpers? The miner bumpers have some agenda or vision, and they have put in the hard work and effort so they can create the changes they yearn for themselves. They haven't come here and begged CCP to change mechanics to suit what they want... Perhaps some of them have. The point is, they are doing something because they can, for whatever reason that might be.

Which of these seems more honourable to you?

i am just offering IDEA and trying to show why this **** happens that we have now.

My point is that the players have the tools they need to make ideas like these happen. A lot of players do make things like this happen because they take the initiative to make them happen.

I wasn't making a big deal about the 5 ISK thing, I was making a big deal about players who would see the quality of the game reduced because they are too lazy to figure things out for themselves. This is the reason high-sec miners are targeted, because they tend to be the most vocal in cases where these demands are made.

My point is that the players have the tools they need to make ideas like these happen. A lot of players do make things like this happen because they take the initiative to make them happen.

I wasn't making a big deal about the 5 ISK thing, I was making a big deal about players who would see the quality of the game reduced because they are too lazy to figure things out for themselves. This is the reason high-sec miners are targeted, because they tend to be the most vocal in cases where these demands are made.