Ta for the cleanup, some posters were getting a little overexcited, myself included .

What some people fail to realise is that the forums, and some external Eve related sites, are very much part of the metagame, some of those people are new to the game, some are not, either way, it does need to be said that in Eve the metagame is very much part of the game itself.

There are some lines you just don't cross.

I agree. It's a shame to see the miner defence committee resort to flaming and name-calling out of frustration. Even the OP, as a representative for the miners, starts off on an insulting and very unprofessional tirade, singling out an individual for attack. It's no wonder miners have a reputation of being likened to philistines when they present themselves this way.

You are misrepresenting my quote. I was referring to James' egging-on posts attempting to solicit abusive reposes on purpose. Please do not take my posts out of contexts for your own purposes. Thank you.

He hasn't posted in this thread, as far as I'm aware. Do you mean to say he's provoking the miners to flame people in this thread? I'm not sure I fully understand what you mean.

Makes ambiguous statement, gets mad when someone uses it "out of context".

Also, I have seen far, far worse from miner's compared to anything James of his "agents" have ever typed.

And while your last statement may be true, it still does not make it right.

You are misrepresenting my quote. I was referring to James' egging-on posts attempting to solicit abusive reposes on purpose. Please do not take my posts out of contexts for your own purposes. Thank you.

Make what right, the statement? If it's true, then it's "right".

Not the statement, the fact that miners take abuse.

Not the statement, the fact that miners take abuse.

See, that's what gets me. Here we're playing a PvP sandbox game and we have a subset of "players" (one wonders why we keep up the pretense, they're actually robots) who "take" abuse. Given that we're:
A. Playing a video game
B. Playing a PvP game
C. Playing a sandbox game
I have to ask why anyone is forced to "take abuse"?

I have no pity, whatsoever, for people who consider themselves "victims" in a video game.

I don't think you are stupid enough (though correct me if I am wrong and I'll change this post accordingly) not to notice this; but carebears in general are very loud, self-serving, self-victimizing and goes to length to demonize any group or individual that is enjoying core game design, like PvP.

Forced because they wish to do x in a game, and subset A abuses subset B for doing x. If subset B went to do y or z, they would not be enjoying the "sandbox" as you so call it. That is why it's forced. It's either do what they like/love, or do something they reall don't like because some loud mouth individual does not approve of their game play choice.



Could say the same for nulbears during nul nerfs, low sec people for...everything, and gankers during the barge buff. They also demonized PvE and mining carebears.

Forced because they wish to do x in a game, and subset A abuses subset B for doing x. If subset B went to do y or z, they would not be enjoying the "sandbox" as you so call it. That is why it's forced. It's either do what they like/love, or do something they reall don't like because some loud mouth individual does not approve of their game play choice.

I'm referring to his website.

That's what's called "interaction". Miners affect every other player in the game and you're telling me they shouldn't have to interact with anyone else? Go play ******* Farmville.

If you're that distressed that someone might "interact" with you, you really need to stop playing multiplayer games, especially PvP sandbox games that thrive on interaction with other players.

Could say the same for nulbears during nul nerfs, low sec people for...everything, and gankers during the barge buff. They also demonized PvE and mining carebears.

Why do you make false claims that miners do not interact with people? I interact with people every time I login, even when offline by selling minerals. You have lost the plot dude, and you lying and acting like you know what every miner does is quite sad.

You are worse then the miners who cry about getting ganked. Let me clue in , pvp in this game involves the market not just ships.

Let me clue in , pvp in this game involves the market not just ships.

That's what's called "interaction". Miners affect every other player in the game and you're telling me they shouldn't have to interact with anyone else? Go play ******* Farmville.

If you're that distressed that someone might "interact" with you, you really need to stop playing multiplayer games, especially PvP sandbox games that thrive on interaction with other players.

I'm still not fully sure what you mean. Where on www.MinerBumping.com does James encourage anyone to post anything to the forums, let alone flaming and trolling posts?

Some people prefer to blow up ships or interrupt your activities in order to affect you, what is wrong with them using those tools, in much the same way you use the market and a mining laser?

It is a sandbox, not a war zone. Let the miners mine.

What is wrong with miners wanting to use their tools to mine and mind their own business and their own corp/friends?

Look at this elite pvp'er, engaging in high-level interaction by selling his hard-earned ore in direct cut-throat competition with botters and afk'ers. I am sure you are showing them how wrong they are by undercutting their already craptastically low prices!

His blogs point people out, egg them on, and goad people passive aggressively through seemingly innocuous posts.

You somehow assume I need your approval, sorry James, I play the game I want. I know it hurts you, but oh well.

This is a terrible post.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. What is wrong with people bumping or blowing them up if they want to affect them?

What is wrong with miners wanting to use their tools to mine and mind their own business and their own corp/friends?

What is wrong with miners wanting to use their tools to mine and mind their own business and their own corp/friends?

Perhaps you're misinterpreting them. The posts on www.MinerBumping.com aid people in understanding and correctly following the Code. Any examples that are used are solely for illustrative purposes.

If you're taking them the wrong way, I'm afraid that's your fault. At no point does James encourage anyone to post hurtful things on the forums.

There is nothing wrong with it, but they shouldn't be able to do it without the risk of being punished for it. Specifically 'mind their own business' i.e carrying on like there are no other players in the game or that other players should pose no threat to them and therefore require no attention or precautionary measures to counter their influence.

Nothing at all.

Whats wrong with someone blowing up said miner because he was stupid and fitted no tank or bumping him to extort a ransom?