I'm getting tired of people talking about this. Just hire some dam mercs with all those iskies you made from mining .

Whilst I do not agree with the whining going on about it, the fact remains that the bumper incurs no cost for his actions and a cost is required to stop it.

In fact the bumper profits in that he gains a killright and insurance payout. For ZERO risk.

Let's be true to our game if nothing else.

If we are to do anything - stop the NPC corp hiding so he can be at least wardecced.

Whilst I do not agree with the whining going on about it, the fact remains that the bumper incurs no cost for his actions and a cost is required to stop it.

In fact the bumper profits in that he gains a killright and insurance payout. For ZERO risk.

Let's be true to our game if nothing else.

If we are to do anything - stop the NPC corp hiding so he can be at least wardecced.

Wouldn't this also allow for Miners hiding in NPC corps to be war decced? The most likely outcome here is that since James 315 is at least nominally aware of game mechanics, he'd simply utilize dec shields, and perhaps utilize free services listed elsewhere on these fine forums to trap said miners in perma-war decs. The miners on the other hand, by and large being less savvy in terms of these nuances, (i'm not saying all miners, but lets be honest, lots of them) would likely just end up griefing themselves twice as hard. Not that I disagree with any of it mind you, if it results in more pvp under any circumstances, I wholeheartedly endorse it.

I acutaly made an idea for a anti bumper module in a different thread on this topic.

High slot module that puts up a bubble around your ship (porportional to the size of your ship) that no other ship can enter, and is flung back when comeing into contact with it.

It would use a decent amount of cap, and take a preaty large amount of CPU..

If it goes on a low slot, that means the miner would have to give up a MLU II, so it will never be used and they will still complain.
If it goes on the midslot, they probably wouldn't fit it anyway, and if it did it means their ship would be much easier to gank, so they will complain.

"Harry Potter" Is coming so you dont need to unite. Workers are just about to finish theme park for you. Just few weeks and will be ready.

Miners whine that people can steal from them and they should be able to defend themselves against people who steal from them. CCP says okay and implements aggression for stealing.


Miners cry about not being able to kill the people who steal from them by themselves and they need everyone else in space to help them to "Make it fair". CCP says okay and we get crimewatch 2.0.

Miners cry about insurance payouts for gankig. CCP says okay and removes insurance payouts for ganking.

Miners cry about their untanked ships not having enough EHP. CCP says okay and increases mining barge and exhumer EHP.

Now miners are crying about people bumping their ships. Given the pattern of pandering to the every whim of miners I'm going to bet we'll see something about this in patch notes soon.

It should be noted that miners don't actually want to shoot at anyone and never have done. They just want it to be totally impossible for anyone to do anything to them that has any affect on their ability to mine AFK in an untanked ship without having to account for the fact that there are other people playing the game.

Miners haven't ever made meaningful attempts to defend themselves, they want the game mechanics to render them invulnerable to anything other players can conceive to do to them, and CCP is always happy to oblige.

So yup, let's jump straight to it and have anyone who bumps a barge get concorded already.

Wouldn't this also allow for Miners hiding in NPC corps to be war decced?

If it goes on a low slot, that means the miner would have to give up a MLU II, so it will never be used and they will still complain. If it goes on the midslot, they probably wouldn't fit it anyway, and if it did it means their ship would be much easier to gank, so they will complain.

Yes they're acquiring ore that could have gone to other miners

So why do members of the new order hide in npc corps?
Should not they wear their conviction on their chest and fly high the colors of progress?
Do they think that by skulking about amongst unwashed masses their message shall be heard?
I say NO!
Their tactics of bumping paint themselves clearly as washed up fighters to timid to even suicide gank a miner.
If they were so prgogressive and forward thinking, they should cleanse New Eden with Artillery and blaster.
With a smile on their face and the support and cheering of all.
But they do not.
They run, they cower in npc corps, they refuse to settle as men or even as a woman.
They scurry as vermin, nipping at ankles, and spreading rot and decay.

(we can argue "counter" ofc but i think you get what i'm saying)