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shadowhearth Eto
5pm In Hades
Hail the Hoff
12
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Posted - 2012.10.29 12:11:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:shadowhearth Eto wrote: i am just offering IDEA and trying to show why this **** happens that we have now. My point is that the players have the tools they need to make ideas like these happen. A lot of players do make things like this happen because they take the initiative to make them happen. I wasn't making a big deal about the 5 ISK thing, I was making a big deal about players who would see the quality of the game reduced because they are too lazy to figure things out for themselves. This is the reason high-sec miners are targeted, because they tend to be the most vocal in cases where these demands are made.
right, do you eve understand the concept of DEMAND and SUPPLY? Because you want miners ( supplier ) to take it to their own hands and drop the prices, because you ( demand ) want it, It will be your gain and suppliers loss. How ******** that is?
there is now huge DEMAND for X item, so SUPPLIER supplies X item at Y price. You want SUPPLIER to drop price on Y item, because it will be more profitable and better for PERSON who needs Suppliers item? there are few ways of doing it:
1. More suppliers will make suppliers compete between each other and droping the price.
2. Those who need that supply refuse buying it at set price and demand better deal. So suppliers if want to make money, will have to adopt to new rules.
Yours idea of fixing the market is: SUPPLIER HAS TO DROP PRICE AND TAKE FINANCIAL LOSS, BECAUSE THATS HOW IT IS. AND **** YOU.
Problem now is that the way minerals and items are in market, players cant do feck all to make rare ore be more valuable per m3. Its a flaw. you ever heard about "controllers" of markets. When market goes **** up, government goes in and sorts **** out (at least tries ). CPP, needs partial involvement in that, but i will agree with you on one thing too, that has to have players influence too, but not a supplier, which by your idea has to shoot himself in a foot, just because of a good faith deal.
If you wont understand that simple ABC in market universe, then i just give up on you.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1646
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Posted - 2012.10.29 12:16:00 -
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shadowhearth Eto wrote: right, do you eve understand the concept of DEMAND and SUPPLY? Because you want miners ( supplier ) to take it to their own hands and drop the prices, because you ( demand ) want it, It will be your gain and suppliers loss. How ******** that is?
Just relist the trit when a moron drops the price too much.
Love to relist everyday.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
250
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Posted - 2012.10.29 12:28:00 -
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shadowhearth Eto wrote:because you ( demand ) want it
I don't want it, you want it.
Quote: Yours idea of fixing the market is: SUPPLIER HAS TO DROP PRICE AND TAKE FINANCIAL LOSS, BECAUSE THATS HOW IT IS. AND **** YOU.
Who says I'm trying to fix the market? I don't give a crap about the market. Dropping the prices was your idea and if that's what you need to do to achieve your goal, so be it.
Quote:Problem now is that the way minerals and items are in market, players cant do feck all to make rare ore be more valuable per m3
They can gank miners. Of course with all their crying to CCP, that has become more difficult now but still possible.
Quote:Its a flaw. you ever heard about "controllers" of markets. When market goes **** up, government goes in and sorts **** out (at least tries ).
I'm not touching on the subject real life economy and government intervention because that just leads to conspiracy theorists derailing the thread completely.
Quote:CPP, needs partial involvement in that
On this point I will request that you offer an explanation as to why they need to be involved in this. I'd also like to know what you think they should do to fix these perceived issues. |
shadowhearth Eto
5pm In Hades
Hail the Hoff
12
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Posted - 2012.10.29 12:40:00 -
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/facepalm
i just give up. |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
250
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Posted - 2012.10.29 12:53:00 -
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Okay. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks
Executive Outcomes
294
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Posted - 2012.10.29 12:56:00 -
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As a fully paid up shareholder of the new order, let me please remind all miners in this thread that the last thread like this caused me to give James315 200,000,000isk.
Why? Because the best way to destroy someone's position is to make a poor, irrational and disagreeable argument in favour of it.
Your worst enemy isn't James315. It's yourselves.
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Robert De'Arneth
176
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:15:00 -
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Dear op how to not let bumping get to you.
1. Do not mine close to a hub, the children will have to hunt for you.
2. Setup at least 8 mining operations, 2 for each hub both at least 8 jumps form a hub.
3. If you get bumped go to another area.
4. Never pay them an ISK, James is scammer, which means he is dishonest. Never trust a scammer, so do not pay him, or anyone. Not like they can force you.
I do not see how crying about James and his band of merry children will help you. James has many alts, he loves attention, so stop bringing it to him.
You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
60
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:22:00 -
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Lol, they should make bumping a PVP flag, so you can bit attacked as if you stole something... 
Imagine, undocking from Jita 4-4 will now be a fate punishable by death if you accidently bump someone undocking or docking  |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
14
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:24:00 -
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Dear OP on how not to let bumping get to you;
- Pay James 315 or any Agent of the New Order the mining fee. For an extremely reasonable 10,000,000 ISK, you can purchase a permit that will last for an entire year. That's less than a million a month, or a couple of thousand a day. You could make twice that by just making a new character every day for a year. By ice mining, you should be able to make enough to pay your fee in less than a day.
You can find an Agent to pay your fee to in Tolle or one of the surrounding ice systems. Failing that, you can send 10,000,000 ISK directly to me or to James 315. Any of these routes will ensure un-bumped mining for an entire year - something that nobody else's suggestion can guarantee.
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Robert De'Arneth
176
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:33:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Dear OP on how not to let bumping get to you; - Pay James 315 or any Agent of the New Order the mining fee. For an extremely reasonable 10,000,000 ISK, you can purchase a permit that will last for an entire year. That's less than a million a month, or a couple of thousand a day. You could make twice that by just making a new character every day for a year. By ice mining, you should be able to make enough to pay your fee in less than a day.
You can find an Agent to pay your fee to in Tolle or one of the surrounding ice systems. Failing that, you can send 10,000,000 ISK directly to me or to James 315. Any of these routes will ensure un-bumped mining for an entire year - something that nobody else's suggestion can guarantee.
Ignore this, they have no way to enforce it. Stop making threads about and go mine. In fact when they demand ISK from you, tell them in very nice terms to go f them selves. 
You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
24
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:33:00 -
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These threads continue to deliver
Miners: We want to mine without repercussions
Bumpers: No activity has it allowed to have no repercussions. /bumps with no repercussions
It's forum gold
Edit: Miners have the game by the throat, they simply don't realise it  |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:34:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Marvin Narville wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:Zero Audier wrote:I'm getting tired of people talking about this. Just hire some dam mercs with all those iskies you made from mining  . Whilst I do not agree with the whining going on about it, the fact remains that the bumper incurs no cost for his actions and a cost is required to stop it. In fact the bumper profits in that he gains a killright and insurance payout. For ZERO risk. Let's be true to our game if nothing else. If we are to do anything - stop the NPC corp hiding so he can be at least wardecced. Wouldn't this also allow for Miners hiding in NPC corps to be war decced? The most likely outcome here is that since James 315 is at least nominally aware of game mechanics, he'd simply utilize dec shields, and perhaps utilize free services listed elsewhere on these fine forums to trap said miners in perma-war decs. The miners on the other hand, by and large being less savvy in terms of these nuances, (i'm not saying all miners, but lets be honest, lots of them) would likely just end up griefing themselves twice as hard. Not that I disagree with any of it mind you, if it results in more pvp under any circumstances, I wholeheartedly endorse it. Oh my, it's like the highsec mechanics allow people to avoid pvp.
Yes becuase this has pvp written all over it....well goofwaffle pvp any how. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:38:00 -
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Tesal wrote:Why another post on James 315? The OP is playing right into his hand by making another post about this. Miner tears on the forums will only embolden him even more.
Most likely an order alt trying to draw attention to the whole thing. My guess is its not going well for them. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:41:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:(we can argue "counter" ofc but i think you get what i'm saying) If you don't want to be bumped, either increase the mass of your ship or move out of the way. How is that a difficult counter to understand? There are probably other counters as well, like interposing another ship or something. Saying bumping has no counter is stupid. It's almost like miners don't bother using the grey matter between their ears. You know, I think miners just might be the worst people in EVE because they clog up the petition system, whine incessantly, and actually don't even play the game if all the AFK claims are true. What terrible people.
you dont mine do you? Or have never been bumped while mining. If so you would not have made this staement. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:44:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:Counter 1 = Orbit the damn roid as close as possible. Amazing. Wait, mining barges can orbit? Counter 2 = Probe gravimetric site and mine away. Oh you don't have a clue about probing? Also what are gravimetric sites? I am not surprised... Counter 3 = Go to a less ******** system. You don't "have to" mine with the rest of the herd you know. Effort, right?
Again more bad advice from someone who has not been bumped while mining....counter 2/3 are viable counter one was poor advice. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1945
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:45:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
you dont mine do you? Or have never been bumped while mining. If so you would not have made this staement.
He may not mine, he may never have been bumped. I, on the other hand, do mine and have been bumped, I still mine (roids not ice) and spend some of my time helping to remove fellow miners from the ice belts via bumping, because it appeals to my twisted sense of humour.
Next irrelevant argument please?
Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum
-á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:52:00 -
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Nothing is stoping gankers from ganking. If they want to keep it up then let them. No mechanic has changed it or stoped it. Gank away |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
393
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:54:00 -
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shadowhearth Eto wrote:stuff
I want to apologize in adavance. This is a little rude and I admit it.
Anyone that thinks that lower mineral prices in high sec would be good for the games economy is an idiot.
High sec needs mineral prices to RISE, and by a good margin.
Low and null needs mineral prices to stay low.
Higher mineral prices in high sec would increase the cost of goods, reducing the gap between the prices of bulk manufactured goods in high sec and those sold in low and null, thus improving the living conditions in null for those of us that play EVE for the industrial and market side of things.
Low prices and continual inflation is BAD for the economy.
Wihtout ganking and bumping of miners prices in high sec would just drop, and it would pretty much kill any and all industry in null.
You guys are your own worst enemy, seriously. You guys keep asking for more protectin when less would actually make you mroe ******* money! WTF, if you mine in high sec, you SHOULD WANT THE GUY MINING NEXT TO YOU TO GET BLOWN UP. Everyt time another miner is blown up, bumped, or just has his output reduced, YOU have the potential to sell more.
YOU do not understand supply and demand, along with what seems to be a bunch of other people. EQUILIBRIUM is NEVER achieved in EVE, because output is NEVER ADJUSTED based on supply. There is constantly more minerals going into the system than coming out of it.
When the price of rare earth elements starts to rise, China doesn't produce more, they reduce trading to reduce supply and inflate the cost of rare earth elements. If the bottom end falls out, you do not produce more, you stop trading it.
You guys in high sec keep doing everything you WOULDN'T do baed on supply and demand. You're overproducing a good that is ALWAYS in demand, and then complain that you want to put even more into the system and drive down costs, that's as stupid as stupid gets.
For the mentally impaired.
If you can make 2 of something everyone wants, in a proper supply and demand system, you would only make 1. Making 2 would make you LESS money than if you only made one and charged more for it.
You guys are literally hurting yourselves everytime you complain about not being able to mine.
You would make more if everyone mined less. You guys should be treating mineral slike oil and you don't.
What a coincidence that people in null sec don't just get this, they practice it. Go figure.
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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:58:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
you dont mine do you? Or have never been bumped while mining. If so you would not have made this staement.
He may not mine, he may never have been bumped. I, on the other hand, do mine and have been bumped, I still mine (roids not ice) and spend some of my time helping to remove fellow miners from the ice belts via bumping, because it appeals to my twisted sense of humour. Next irrelevant argument please?
I still mine occasionally, when I get some sick yen to build my own ammo. So yeah, next irrelevant argument? You don't see Jonah here shitting up the forums about being bumped. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:59:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:shadowhearth Eto wrote:stuff
I want to apologize in adavance. .
Yes....yes you should. Do you really believe that this minor bumping and ganking is effecting prices? |
Karrl Tian
Star-Trackers
13
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:24:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:If there was collision damage in the game I'm pretty sure there'd constantly be a huge number of threads complaining about how broken collision damage is.
It would go like this:
Gankers kill tankless miners by bumping.
Miners get mad and demand a means to defend themselves, refuse to fit tank.
CCP implements aggression flagging for bumping people.
Gankers use collision bumping to flag miners that they then kill.
Miners demand protection from CCP, refuse to have friends or defend themselves as they claimed they wanted to, and still won't fit a tank (why should I have to train tank skills because of your playstyle?)
CCP buffs exhaumers by introducing an anti-collision shield and more EHP.
CCP then decides to make bump-aggoring a global flag for some reason. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
394
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:31:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:shadowhearth Eto wrote:stuff
I want to apologize in adavance. . Yes....yes you should. Do you really believe that this minor bumping and ganking is effecting prices?
No, and that's what I'm telling you.
It's not effecting, and you should want it to effect it. It's stupid to not want it to effect it.
YOU WOULD MAKE MORE MONEY IF OUTPUT WAS ABLE TO BE IMPACTED MORE! Wanting less impact is bad; it effects the ecoomy and your own personal wealth.
You're already making a mess of the economy, it's why null suffers on the industrial side. You guys aren't charging enough for minerals, which is keeping high sec produced goods lower than they should be, and that creates a gap that is to large to compete with building in null.
High sec industry is very much like a communist state. People think I'm being an ass when I make my little communist rants, but I"m being serious. You've centralized industry in high sec by flooding the market with more minerals than needs to be there, keeping costs well bellow what people can afford, and making it so that null is better off importing than building.
You guys are ******* up the economy through all of New Eden, and you keep asking for CCP to do things that would just make it worse.
I want you guys in high sec to make more isk, if you make more isk with higher prices then I'll make more isk building and selling in null. Over competition and producation is a problem. Competition can't be reduced, but mineral outputs can.
If you're a miner in high sec, it would benefit you to put bounties on as many other miners as you possibly can come Dec. 4th. The more miners you can impact, the more output is reduced, and the more you can charge for mineals. WE need a much larger group working in high sec to disrupt outputs, and miners can be a part of it soon instead of being the problem.
But then you guys want more output and lower prices already, so I doubt you'll be smart enough to do the right thing come Dec. 4th. Instead you guys will ***** about having bounties on your head untill CCP nerfs that.
Forced demand, you know like oil, and you guys are like here buy a barrell for a few cents, I'll jus go get more for you. Effing moronic. |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:34:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:Ignore this, they have no way to enforce it. Stop making threads about it and go mine. In fact when they demand ISK from you, tell them in very nice terms to go f them selves.
I find it really cute how miners tell each other this but, when they actually find themselves up against the masters of bumping, they inevitably end up paying.
Some of the easiest-to-find examples can be found here and here.
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Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Exhale.
74
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:37:00 -
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Love the emergent gameplay  did you guys really hire mercs? |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:39:00 -
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Casirio wrote:Love the emergent gameplay did you guys really hire mercs?
If they did, we certainly haven't seen them yet.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1983
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:47:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Casirio wrote:Love the emergent gameplay did you guys really hire mercs? If they did, we certainly haven't seen them yet.
I'm waiting for mercs to take their money and then show up in the belts to bump them for being whiney little kids 
Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum
-á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |
Robert De'Arneth
176
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:54:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Ignore this, they have no way to enforce it. Stop making threads about it and go mine. In fact when they demand ISK from you, tell them in very nice terms to go f them selves. I find it really cute how miners tell each other this but, when they actually find themselves up against the masters of bumping, they inevitably end up paying. Some of the easiest-to-find examples can be found here and here.
Well you are more then welcome to come and try and make me pay, I assure you, I will laugh at you. You see, you have no way to make me pay. This is a fact, you may think you show up and people shiver, but you would be wrong. I would be very polite and tell you to go f yourself. You act like you know everyone in the game and how they will react, that is your mistake, thinking you know everyone.
You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:00:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:Well you are more then welcome to come and try and make me pay, I assure you, I will laugh at you. You see, you have no way to make me pay. This is a fact, you may think you show up and people shiver, but you would be wrong. I would be very polite and tell you to go f yourself. You act like you know everyone in the game and how they will react, that is your mistake, thinking you know everyone.
Where do you live?
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I'm waiting for mercs to take their money and then show up in the belts to bump them for being whiney little kids
I, too, am waiting to see this happen.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
337
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:07:00 -
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This thread is evidence of WHY many people don't like high sec miners. No simply bumping a miner is somehow the end of the world, because orbiting stuff is hard. |
Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:14:00 -
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Just an idea, maybe the miners can come together and driver the ore prices up until either the community turns on them, the bumpers stop or Alliances wipe them out (bumpers).
Seems like a nice CCP free way to "Sandbox-A-Solution" in my book. Would be completely fair and legit. |
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