If you don't want to be bumped, either increase the mass of your ship or move out of the way. How is that a difficult counter to understand? There are probably other counters as well, like interposing another ship or something. Saying bumping has no counter is stupid.

It's almost like miners don't bother using the grey matter between their ears.

You know, I think miners just might be the worst people in EVE because they clog up the petition system, whine incessantly, and actually don't even play the game if all the AFK claims are true. What terrible people.

Increasing the mass can only be done to a small amount. and it does not help. Sure yo may be going only 2000 m/sec after a bump instead of 2500, but it takes longer to slow down too, and you still end up out of range before the miner cycle ends.

A ship going 100 m/sec cannot dodge one going 2500. There is the option of a speed tanked Skiff. Not sure if that could dodge.... Anyone tried it?

No update to barges for over 6 years

Goons do ice iterdictions

Forums explode with miner rants for months

CCP buff barges.


Yea, I cant see any link here...

This kind of unfavourable comparison to the Savior of Hisec always distresses me and my fellow agents greatly, not to mention James 315 himself.

I mean, when will miners think of something original to say?

Your list provides two possible motivations for CCP to buff barges:

1. They thought too many barges were being ganked in hisec.

2. They thought too many miners were complaining about being ganked.

Shouldn't he be stepped on for encouraging naziism?

Shouldn't he be stepped on for encouraging naziism?

Too many barges getting ganked and too many miners complaining about getting ganked can be attributed to one thing, failure to fit their ships properly. With the old stats a tanked exhumer could survive a suicide gank, most miners neglected to fit a tank, so they got ganked.

Cause and effect in action.

Please explain how the New Order is similar to National Socialism? It's not a good comparison, the New Order is not promoting genocide.

BTW you're not the first to compare James315 to the leader of the national socialists, however if you wish to compare him to a genocidal maniac then please use the more recent examples that made the man with the amusing mustache look like a rank amateur, Chairman Mao and Joseph Stalin would be good examples.

So what? Why stop the ganking? There's nothing that cannot be ganked. Too expensive....? Here and I thought you boys were committed

The ganking hasn't stopped, GSF were running another ice interdiction operation until about a week ago, most of the silly buggers still don't fit a tank, it just requires more organisation to carry it off. The next hulkageddon is going to be interesting as the gankers will just field more ships to deal with the buffed barges.

This kind of unfavourable comparison to the Savior of Hisec always distresses me and my fellow agents greatly, not to mention James 315 himself.

I mean, when will miners think of something original to say?

So what? Why stop the ganking? There's nothing that cannot be ganked. Too expensive....? Here and I thought you boys were committed

Maybe they need CCP to do it for them as well.

Maybe they need CCP to do it for them as well.

. If you keep your mining ship moving while you mine (by orbiting your target for example) then the bumper will probably miss you."

This is complete B&%% S&*#!

Please explain how the New Order is similar to National Socialism? It's not a good comparison, the New Order is not promoting genocide.

BTW you're not the first to compare James315 to the leader of the national socialists, however if you wish to compare him to a genocidal maniac then please use the more recent examples that made the man with the amusing mustache look like a rank amateur, Chairman Mao and Joseph Stalin would be good examples.

I suggest nanofiber internal structures, overdrive injectors (don't worry, they wont affect your ore bay!) and polycarb rigs.

Especially if you fit tech 2 rigs and faction modules (republic fleet works well) they'll never be able to hit you, you'll be the most blazin' barge in the belt!

I suggest nanofiber internal structures, overdrive injectors (don't worry, they wont affect your ore bay!) and polycarb rigs.

Especially if you fit tech 2 rigs and faction modules (republic fleet works well) they'll never be able to hit you, you'll be the most blazin' barge in the belt!

Wouldn't i, as Austrian, fit much better anyway ?

And get shot out of the sky by a full rack of hobgob i's

Edit: ****.

Your list provides two possible motivations for CCP to buff barges:

1. They thought too many barges were being ganked in hisec.

2. They thought too many miners were complaining about being ganked.

You're choosing option 2, which isn't a bad choice, but option 1 is still out there.

This is a bit unrelated, but it's funny how people link dev comments as if they're holy writ. If someone linked a dev comment backing either option 1, or 2, I probably would pay it only limited heed. This is exactly the kind of thing where I'd expect them to keep their true reasoning somewhat hidden. If they had any interest in explaining exactly how safe they wanted hisec to be, they would have done so by now.

Unspecific ranting that we will destroy EVE Online by turning it into a carebear world without providing any examples, specific details or constructive discussions about what we should do better however is neither helpful nor welcome.

This.

Ironically, it reminded me of a comment by CCP Phantom in a similar thread.


'nuff said?

At least threads like this should only exist for another month or so - after that those that don't want to get bumped can hop in mining frigates and never be hit by a fleet stabber ever again!

At least threads like this should only exist for another month or so - after that those that don't want to get bumped can hop in mining frigates and never be hit by a fleet stabber ever again!

And historically, miners have been eager to sacrifice yield to not get attacked, amirite?

If by attacked you mean having to be at your keyboard, than yes.