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Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:16:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:This thread is evidence of WHY many people don't like high sec miners. No simply bumping a miner is somehow the end of the world, because orbiting stuff is hard.
The only people who don't like high-sec miners are the people are described earlier in this post. People who feel the need to coerce others into doing things their way. YOU would prefer me play a certain way so you grief me. It's lame and stupid and I'm salivating at CCPs obvious actions towards this in a patch. |

baltec1
Bat Country
2627
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:17:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:This thread is evidence of WHY many people don't like high sec miners. No simply bumping a miner is somehow the end of the world, because orbiting stuff is hard.
All of this just goes to show that a great number of miners are indeed the most useless people in EVE. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:18:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:Just an idea, maybe the miners can come together and drive the ore prices up until either the community turns on them, the bumpers stop or Alliances wipe them out (bumpers). Good luck with that one. I think a more likely scenario is that miners keep mining and whining, and bumpers keep bumping.
Also, they're bumping ice miners. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:20:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:The only people who don't like high-sec miners are the people are described earlier in this post. People who feel the need to coerce others into doing things their way. YOU would prefer me play a certain way so you grief me. It's lame and stupid and I'm salivating at CCPs obvious actions towards this in a patch. Actually, most people here don't like miners because miners are literally the most terrible players in the game. Hell, miners don't even play the game. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
2009
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:26:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:Just an idea, maybe the miners can come together and drive the ore prices up until either the community turns on them, the bumpers stop or Alliances wipe them out (bumpers).
Seems like a nice CCP free way to "Sandbox-A-Solution" in my book. Would be completely fair and legit.
Not going to happen, miners on the whole couldn't organise a drinking party in a brewery, expecting them to set up a cartel is laughable.
Besides, there is an overabundance of minerals available, the supply far exceeds the demand, if the miners could actually organise something other than mass crying then they would have the power to drive competition and prices by controlling the supply, mineral values going up would be welcomed by many. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:31:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Not going to happen, miners on the whole couldn't organise a drinking party in a brewery, expecting them to set up a cartel is laughable. Also, believing that miners are going to enforce such a cartel. Hilarious. |

Sidrat Flush
Eve Industrial Corp
16
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:38:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Max Doobie wrote:The only people who don't like high-sec miners are the people are described earlier in this post. People who feel the need to coerce others into doing things their way. YOU would prefer me play a certain way so you grief me. It's lame and stupid and I'm salivating at CCPs obvious actions towards this in a patch. Actually, most people here don't like miners because miners are literally the most terrible players in the game. Hell, miners don't even play the game.
To be the best miner you must accurately mimick a bot.
This is why mining mechanics must change.
This is why bumpers has introduced a meta-game in to the mining mechanics. It's nit difficult to avoid them and even appreciate a good bump when you see one. I have seen many bumps some better than others. The best ones are the big ones where the pilot doesn't even notice for twenty minutes or more.
Why does playing eve have to resort to watching tv or doing something else? That's not playing Eve. Update the mechanics to reduce the ability of being afk.
Keep up the good work miners and bumpers alike. May the roids you acquire go up in value due to the hassle and perhaps null sec will start producing in their own empire instead of Empire. Perhaps then miners and industrialists will become valued as null dwellers, as long as you can of course defend yourself and PvP in times of crisis.
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Robert De'Arneth
176
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:44:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:Well you are more then welcome to come and try and make me pay, I assure you, I will laugh at you. You see, you have no way to make me pay. This is a fact, you may think you show up and people shiver, but you would be wrong.  I would be very polite and tell you to go f yourself. You act like you know everyone in the game and how they will react, that is your mistake, thinking you know everyone. Where do you live? Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I'm waiting for mercs to take their money and then show up in the belts to bump them for being whiney little kids  I, too, am waiting to see this happen.
And knowing where I *live* is going to make me pay you? How are you going to make me pay you is my next question? I can move around, I could hop in another ship. My point is sir, you cannot ever make me pay you 1 isk. You think because the op is crying that every miner is going to cry. Your mining bump means squat to me. I can do other things, I could even move to a new system and keep making you follow me. But one thing you will never do is make me pay isk for getting bumped. LOL. I have 2 kids, I know how to deal with children. Your issue is this, you think these forums paint a picture of everyone who plays this game. So if you want to come extort from me, do your own looking. Just know you will waste quite a bit of time. I am also one of those AFK cloakers everyone cries about. I will leave the game on all day while cloaked. 
You are quite funny. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
631
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:45:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:This thread is evidence of WHY many people don't like high sec miners. No simply bumping a miner is somehow the end of the world, because orbiting stuff is hard. Actually, this thread is probably the result of James or one of his sycophants efforts (not bumping, typing it).
It's my guess that all these :words: by james and co. is just an elaborate set up to drum up attention to this alt (J315) of someone else for the next CSM election.
Hi-Sec miners being the unfortunate paper this message is being written on.
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
2014
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:47:00 -
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Actually I believe that James posts and plays on his main, look into his corp history for evidence of this.
I f he stood for the CSM it would certainly be interesting to see peoples reactions Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
251
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:48:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:I am also one of those AFK cloakers everyone cries about
You AFK cloak in high-sec? As a member of a high-sec mining corp?
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Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
141
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:18:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Max Doobie wrote:The only people who don't like high-sec miners are the people are described earlier in this post. People who feel the need to coerce others into doing things their way. YOU would prefer me play a certain way so you grief me. It's lame and stupid and I'm salivating at CCPs obvious actions towards this in a patch. Actually, most people here don't like miners because miners are literally the most terrible players in the game. Hell, miners don't even play the game.
Be careful not to generalize. There are miners outhere who are excellent PvPers and often welcome good fights. |

Arya Greywolf
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:19:00 -
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Blake Gates Heleneto wrote:What gives you the right to think you can force upon your own dumbass "idea" of how this great game of Eve should be played? Mining is a very viable career choice for many players. If that's how THEY want to play, who are you to say they aren't "actually playing the game"? Your one-sided, flawed logic is almost laughable. Except I feel sorry for you 
What gives you the right to think you can force upon your own dumbass "idea" of how this great game of Eve should be played? Pirating, bumping, and ganking are very viable career choices for many players. If that's how THEY want to play, who are you to say they aren't "actually playing the game"? Your one-sided, flawed logic is almost laughable. Except I feel sorry for you  |

baltec1
Bat Country
2627
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:26:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Because all the hundreds (thousands?) of miners in game are represented by the 1/2 dozen who post in GD (the most radical anti-bumpers probably being James or his sycophants)? Yeah... 
I also go off the fact that hundreds nay throusands died to us because they didnt fit any tank. They still don't fit a tank. All they did was whine on the forums till CCP fitted a tank for them.
Miners have never adapted to any threat in the 7 or 8 years that barges have been in the game. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
2040
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Because all the hundreds (thousands?) of miners in game are represented by the 1/2 dozen who post in GD (the most radical anti-bumpers probably being James or his sycophants)? Yeah...  I also go off the fact that hundreds nay throusands died to us because they didnt fit any tank. They still don't fit a tank. All they did was whine on the forums till CCP fitted a tank for them. Miners have never adapted to any threat in the 7 or 8 years that barges have been in the game.
They did evolve in one way, their tear ducts are now attached to their fingers  Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Robert De'Arneth
176
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:36:00 -
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 Riot Girl wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:I am also one of those AFK cloakers everyone cries about You AFK cloak in high-sec? As a member of a high-sec mining corp?
who said I afk cloak in high sec? I may mine in high sec , but I do know how to travel to other areas. Not that what I do is any of your bussiness mind, it's not. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
631
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Because all the hundreds (thousands?) of miners in game are represented by the 1/2 dozen who post in GD (the most radical anti-bumpers probably being James or his sycophants)? Yeah...  I also go off the fact that hundreds nay throusands died to us because they didnt fit any tank. They still don't fit a tank. All they did was whine on the forums till CCP fitted a tank for them. Miners have never adapted to any threat in the 7 or 8 years that barges have been in the game. Gotcha, you (generic "you") have ganked all miners in the game, and all miners suck.
Random generalizations a go.
Gotcha.
Gotta admit, it must be a warm and fuzzy feeling to be able to single out a group and label them all with 100% assurance. I also don't believe (could be wrong, don't have any friends in CCP/CSM) the ship changes were in response to the whine threads (some of which I *do* believe were planted as red herrings).
I kinda think the mining ship changes were in the works for a long time and it was just serendipity that they came out when they did.
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1649
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:42:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Because all the hundreds (thousands?) of miners in game are represented by the 1/2 dozen who post in GD (the most radical anti-bumpers probably being James or his sycophants)? Yeah...  I also go off the fact that hundreds nay throusands died to us because they didnt fit any tank. They still don't fit a tank. All they did was whine on the forums till CCP fitted a tank for them. Miners have never adapted to any threat in the 7 or 8 years that barges have been in the game. Sup Bat Country. I heard you were applying Darwinian evolution mechanics to freighters now. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

baltec1
Bat Country
2627
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:44:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:baltec1 wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Because all the hundreds (thousands?) of miners in game are represented by the 1/2 dozen who post in GD (the most radical anti-bumpers probably being James or his sycophants)? Yeah...  I also go off the fact that hundreds nay throusands died to us because they didnt fit any tank. They still don't fit a tank. All they did was whine on the forums till CCP fitted a tank for them. Miners have never adapted to any threat in the 7 or 8 years that barges have been in the game. Gotcha, you (generic "you") have ganked all miners in the game, and all miners suck. Random generalizations a go. Gotcha. Gotta admit, it must be a warm and fuzzy feeling to be able to single out a group and label them all with 100% assurance. I also don't believe (could be wrong, don't have any friends in CCP/CSM) the ship changes were in response to the whine threads (some of which I *do* believe were planted as red herrings). I kinda think the mining ship changes were in the works for a long time and it was just serendipity that they came out when they did.
Out of 600 miners killed in the caldari ice interdiction not a single one had a tank fitted.
Out of the 1000+ killed in the first gal ice interdiction fewer than 10% had any sort of a tank fitted.
In the last ice interdiction they had, unsuprisingly, no tank fitted to most of them.
I think its safe to say that the vast bulk of miners do not fit a tank. But by all means go out and run your own tests. Also its funny that barges only got an update after the ice interdictions started and one of those changes was to add more base EHP. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1649
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:44:00 -
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Sidrat Flush wrote:To be the best miner you must accurately mimick a bot.
This is why mining mechanics must change. Tsk, bot-aspirant behavior. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
252
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:45:00 -
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When I first started playing on an old character, I was in a training corp for new players. There were a lot of miners in that corp and they were all extremely stupid. I didn't like them much but I did like their frequent QQ. It made me laugh and sometimes I would taunt them. Looking back now, I wish I'd ganked some of them while I was in that corp. I'm not sure why I didn't think of it at the time. |

baltec1
Bat Country
2627
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:46:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: Sup Bat Country. I heard you were applying Darwinian evolution mechanics to freighters now.
Indeed we are and there seems to be an equal measure of stupid in freighter pilots too.
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Robert De'Arneth
176
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:49:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:When I first started playing on an old character, I was in a training corp for new players. There were a lot of miners in that corp and they were all extremely stupid. I didn't like them much but I did like their frequent QQ. It made me laugh and sometimes I would taunt them. Looking back now, I wish I'd ganked some of them while I was in that corp. I'm not sure why I didn't think of it at the time.
Woe is you, how have continued to play this game. I mean people not acting how you want them to. What is this world coming to. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:50:00 -
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Dragon Outlaw wrote:There are miners out there who are excellent PvPers and often welcome good fights. Do tell.
Also, I wouldn't call them "miners" because they're probably not shitting up the forums asking to be left alone. |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
631
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Out of 600 miners killed in the caldari ice interdiction not a single one had a tank fitted.
Out of the 1000+ killed in the first gal ice interdiction fewer than 10% had any sort of a tank fitted.
In the last ice interdiction they had, unsuprisingly, no tank fitted to most of them.
I think its safe to say that the vast bulk of miners do not fit a tank. But by all means go out and run your own tests. Nope, I'll take your numbers as gospel as presented.
My original point being that out of how many got destroyed, how many actually came to the forums and raged? 1%? 2%? Hell, go out crazy and say 5%???
Because 95% *NOT* raging is not a bad turnout (if it even *was* that low - I'm thinking out of all the thousands you killed the actuall number was <2%).
baltec1 wrote:Also its funny that barges only got an update after the ice interdictions started and one of those changes was to add more base EHP. Serendipity is a funny thing.
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1649
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:53:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:When I first started playing on an old character, I was in a training corp for new players. There were a lot of miners in that corp and they were all extremely stupid. I didn't like them much but I did like their frequent QQ. It made me laugh and sometimes I would taunt them. Looking back now, I wish I'd ganked some of them while I was in that corp. I'm not sure why I didn't think of it at the time. Ah yes, the famous awox.
Don't worry. At least you got yourself some quality player-driven content to amuse you while playing HIGHSEC ONLINE. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
253
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:58:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Ah yes, the famous awox.
Don't worry. At least you got yourself some quality player-driven content to amuse you while playing HIGHSEC ONLINE.
Actually I did. If there was one thing that corp was good for, it was picking up war decs and those of us who did PvP were actually pretty good at it. Our KBs were let down by the miners though, of course. |

Vindictive Hoodie
Harvest Operations and Practical Sceinces
0
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Posted - 2012.10.29 17:01:00 -
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I got bumped... responded to the guy in Local, refused to pay... he took himself off somewhere else after bleating about ways to pay the isk...
I thanked him for the LULZ though... but not sure he was bright enough to cotton on to the fact I was not going to pay as... having responded to him, I was clearly not AFK... and also... coulnd't be ar$ed to ...
I read his link to their website, and then went for an afternoon nap.
Will have another gnaw at rocks later! |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
631
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Posted - 2012.10.29 17:02:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote: Our KBs were let down by the miners though, of course. because KB > ?
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |

Sidrat Flush
Eve Industrial Corp
16
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Posted - 2012.10.29 17:04:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Sidrat Flush wrote:To be the best miner you must accurately mimick a bot.
This is why mining mechanics must change. Tsk, bot-aspirant behavior.
I don't want to be a bot and I rarely pop the entire rock anyway thus I fit the roid scanner. Sadly the game mechanic involves actions that can very much look like bot behaviour.
It's stupid which is why the side game of avoiding bumpers is a good side game when chat is quiet or eve radio channel is a bit quiet.
Personally know that we know some miners will pay isk not to be bumped I'm going to try to wash in on their generosity and get some of their isk myself.
I wonder if tritanium will go up to ten isk per unit? That would be great but would it mean null sec would then shift production of ships and some modules to their own region? Maybe it has to go up to 14/15 per unit.
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