I think this is one of the profound issues with the development of EVE at the moment.

The idea that the space you live in gives you an identity, you are a "HighSec player" or a "null bear" or a "wormholer" etc.

This then makes you feel like you have to fight, in a partisan and biased manner, for your space, your nationalistic identity defining space, to be improved at the expense of the others.

I this this kind of belief should be discouraged at all turns, as above, "Null players can come to hi-sec, hi-sec players can't necessarily go to null", this is just wrong, jump gates go both ways, the barrier is intellectual, imaginary, in the identity.

Moreover this problem gets much worse when there are a group of "HighSec Players" who plex their accounts every month.

Basically they will fight tooth and claw against any HighSec Nerf because their world is under threat. They have built a prison, a prison of the mind, and then others come along and threaten to destroy the one place they have! At least there is the prison cell to live in! And what if that is damaged, unmanageable chaos...

...except that all of this thread is about rebuilding null, making it meaningful and whole. Making it more worth recruiting newbs and industrialists to the big Null blocks, giving people more options and more freedom and making the game better.

No "HighSec Player" will ever agree, but for the rest of us, all of us who are just players, there is no other path to go down.

We've lived with station denial since the first outpost was put into nullsec, and it's not causing any problems whatsoever for nullsec. The sov mechanics for taking over a system does cause massive amounts of problems, but the station denial mechanic isn't.

Oh shullbit.

It's not nothing to do with your little catchphrase meme, and everything to do with the deliberate impression that's been created.

"Hey, highsec miner carebear pubbie! You are the most hated person in EVE, we want you out. We're ganking you for teh LULZ! But pay us 20m and you can come to our backyard where we promise not to shoot."

And you pretend it's all a rational deliberation based on the actuality of rental agreements and mutual financial benefit?

Either your social skills or BS skills are in need of a serious touchup.

Oh shullbit.

It's not nothing to do with your little catchphrase meme, and everything to do with the deliberate impression that's been created

And you pretend it's all a rational deliberation based on the actuality of rental agreements and mutual financial benefit?

I think this is one of the profound issues with the development of EVE at the moment.

The idea that the space you live in gives you an identity, you are a "HighSec player" or a "null bear" or a "wormholer" etc.

This then makes you feel like you have to fight, in a partisan and biased manner, for your space, your nationalistic identity defining space, to be improved at the expense of the others.

I this this kind of belief should be discouraged at all turns, as above,

It's not nothing to do with your little catchphrase meme, and everything to do with the deliberate impression that's been created.

Perhaps is the people that refuse to even consider what the other is saying that need the social skills revamp? Perhaps miners should be less hostile to outsiders? If www.minerbumping.com is any indication the miners behave far worse than the gankers do.

Perhaps is the people that refuse to even consider what the other is saying that need the social skills revamp? Perhaps miners should be less hostile to outsiders? If www.minerbumping.com is any indication the miners behave far worse than the gankers do.

The reality is that miners/indutrialists have every right to not trust you, time again your corp and its Null pets have demonstrated that you are not worthy of trust and that nothing that you promote can be taken at face value. Dealing with your corporation and your pets is like negotiating with a collective of AspergerGÇÖs syndrome sufferers, you need to realise that you are the problem and anything that CCP implements will only represent a temporary fix. Fix yourself then come back with a little credibility and make suggestions on how to fix the game.

i can't believe i have to convince garou carew and malphilos that yes renting exists, despite their angry condemnations on the meanness of null sec pilots that makes 'nobody trusts them'.

If all sov rules were to dissapear and all of null wat to become like NPC null, you can bet all SOV holder would be angry.

Technically the only reason I would be annoyed with that is the inevitable station ping pong which would ensue.

I got bored with hisec so I decided to say "you know what, I'm going to go into nullsec and see what's there and how PVP actually is. I'll leave most of my assets and wealth in hisec where it's safe, and fart around in cheap **** while I gauge how they treat me".

That was 3 years ago. I haven't regretted it for a second, except every time I read posts from miners going on and on about how evil people who have moved to nullsec have turned.

I know that renting exists, itGÇÖs not all of Null that I have a problem with, just a certain highly visible element. In fact, I welcome cordial and mutually beneficial relations with Null Sec corps and even old fashioned Pirates with a skerrick of integrity.

It's not exactly a secret that the CFC doesn't rent out space.

Sorry for being the most organized player group ever. Truly, being the best has been our downfall and players should never seek to play the game in its most optimal way, because it ruins it for everyone.

tell us more about how to get what we've got by botting

It's obviously because of bots ganking profitable freighter in high sec.

tell us more about how to gank freighters in hisec with bots

Decrease yield for tanking modules? Spend twos of millions of isk on empty midslots?
Pay a 10 mil/month fee to mine in 0.0 where suicide ganking was not a threat?

The greatest excesses of Hulkageddon V was not sufficient enough threat to get the 'victims' to consider any of those.
Now they complain about something called "miner bumping". So there was no real problem, merely CCP listening to forum requests. Which you claim they don't do, yes?

During the height of hulkageddon V and people like Vaerah were going 'blarrhuauarrggh, highsec is now more dangerous then nullsec, those nullbears are raping us without risk and killing eve everyone will unsub' I was pointing to some experimental Cascade Imminent 'mining pass' program which was just a flat monthly 10m isk/member fee (Experimental in that most landlords charge on a per corp basis that is funded through bounty taxes/pve ops in my experience). Really it was just a plan to fill buy orders frof lowends because Cascade logistics were ass.

Cuz you know, if mining and industry in highsec was so tough, as they claimed, then maybe a nominal 10m fee for access to the lucrative nullsec industry would be right up their alley. As a business venture, it was sadly a failure - but it exposed the bankruptcy of the 'suffering highsec miners' argument during Hulkageddon Infinity quite well.

You claimed in an earlier post that CCP is incapable of fixing their game. I called you on that, now's the part where you either deny that you did so or confirm that you did so. The obfuscation taught at the school for ~highsec intellectuals~ isn't fooling anyone.

Look at these gems:


Basically CCP is not capable of fixing their game is what you are saying.

Oh look "CCP isn't capable of changing their game and adapting to the change. Their economist isn't capable of doing what he is paid to do." Now I could cite a bunch of fallacies to say why your "sky is falling if CCP changes EVE it will die" argument but until I see the :foxnews: stopping you get as little effort as possible.

Sorry but your musings on 'reputations' and 'impressions' being a barrier can easily be dismissed as ther unfounded claims of an uninformed NPC corp poster when simply noting the success of rental operations of the most elitist and contemptuous alliances like -A-. Or straight up celebrators of Hulkageddon like the HBC. Y'know, the groups that created those impressions.

That's what renting is, a net cost/benefit analysis.