Ok is it just me or do alot of this changes suck for no good reason?

1.) Carriers have not been a problem for some time now why screw them over now? There much softer targets then SC.

2,) Dreads need to be able to hit other moving cap ships when in seige So slow down other cap ships alittle and inc seaige tracking alittle.

3.) Change Moros bonus to 5%dmg inc or add in a 5% cap reduction per level to Capital guns. Though it is not going to matter much as SC will still burn them down just as fast and I have no problem with that as its cap on cap action but if they fix the SC speed tanking the dreads then at least they can now go down fighting.

4.) Logoff timer this is the best change here great job.

5.) Carrier and SC new Drone bays should be renamed Fighter bay and both giving new Fighter bandwiths. Then add in a Navy dominix sized drone bay and bandwith for normal drones. I dont think that would be to overpowering for sub cap ships. This lets the logistice Carriers and SC's to field repair drones and yes other drones as well but in limited numbers i.e. at the limit of 125 bandwith.

Thoughs are just my own ideals and my hold no water.

Not been a problem because they were overshadowed by the bigger super-carrier problem.

The "Capships Online" slogan appeared well before super-cap buff in 2009, you should remember carrier blobs and fighter swarms of 2007-2008.

Fighters should be changed so that when fit for DPS, carriers can apply about 50-60% of their theoretical fighter DPS output to a stationary battleship (a class lower) and 100% to a moving (super)cap.

Neither changing their signature resolution to 400 nor leaving them as is is a balanced solution for all fighters.

Perhaps any changes can be postponed, but carriers should be watched very carefully in the following 3-4 months, lest they become the new battleships (again).

So much talk about the Hel. Fix ALL the shieldsupers. EFT warriors here keep comparing Shieldtankers and armortankers and it looks pretty even on paper, but when shieldtankers jump into a battle they loose a very large portion of their shield. Now someone choke up a good argument for why that is fair. The amount of armortanked supercaps compared to shieldtankers alone is a very good example of this.

This has been adressed by people for years and never been properly fixed.

Honestly, as a Moros pilot, the current changes are fine. I am fine with losing some cap stability to gain the DPS a blaster dread should have (This is a 33% dps increase if I understand correctly). Tracking increases or vastly changing the sig of a SC and Titan would be welcome.

because 20 billion isk in hurricans is over 250 people
250 people x 15 dollars a month = CCP making it rain.

20 billion isk in a supercarrier is 1 person
1 person RMTing isk with his bots that go unpunished = 0 $ for CCP

What would you do if you were ccp?


Edit: still waiting for CCP Tallest to comment more. been 60 pages bro

TIME TO GET REAL WITH CAPITAL BALANCING !

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1)make dreads able to shoot slow moving (>100m/s) battleship sized targets with their capital turrets, even if they donGÇÖt make full damage they should be able to cause some trouble to a slow moving BS. --> Improve dread primary guns tracking.

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That's an easy question to answer.

20 billion isk spent on 2 or more ships should easily always be more flexible than 20 billion isk spent on one ship.

20 billion isk on hurricanes? Hell you have enough isk there to include hurricanes suited for every type of anomoly possible, mining, salvaging and even remote rep hurricanes if you felt like it.

yeh but the max 50km yourll be able to hit currently, still leaves a blaster moros worthless in all but 1 maybe 2 situations. it cant even hit a large pos properly at 28km

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The one degree of freedom I currently see is that with the ECM burst fix, sieged dreads will keep their locks against Remote ECM spam. And supers are not that good at dictating range...

So one could arguably engage a super fleet with dreads with a steadier dps output than now. You will hemorraghe dreads like a stuck pig while doing it, but if you are willing to go for a suicide dread op, the option will be there. The question will be if someone is willing to try it.

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clarification: with the currently proposed devblog dreads, not the redux dreads from page 95ish

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Fit 2x Optimal Scripts, use plutonium ammo.

<---Has shot many, many POS with a Blaster Moros (I have also hit targets while in siege at 120 km in the same ship, hits at 130 were really pushing it though). Also, the rail Moros will actually be a decent choice next a Rev now, though like the Nyx vs Aeon situation, the Rev will still have the EHP advantage over the Moros.

I just want to see a boost to capital self reps (50% would not be OP tbh, its not like a rev can tank a rev at this point in time...)

EDIT: FYI, I use the blaster Moros in w-space, which should also be considered when balancing given that, after all, it is one of the few places where dreads are actually used now...

i take it your mid are sebo's and tracking comps then?

2 tracking comps, range scrips and iron. optimal is 78 +31. rail moros is the choice 90% of teh time outside a wormhole. and tbh the changes will not get me back in what effectivly is a kiting ship now

The fighter Nerf might be a bit much especially with the removal of the drone bay.

(That dread is actually all meta 2 / faction fit)

All 5s, 3x damage mods for long ranged guns (no tracking mods in atm, using t1 ammo, though it is actually economical to use faction on rev) now:

Moros - 3483 at 60+30, 1451 at 192+30
+Potential 600 DPS from Garde IIs at 30+12 or 450 DPS at 75+30 with Warden IIs
New Moros (1.47x) - 5120 at 50+30, 2132 at 192+30

Rev (Beam) - 3743 at 50+40, 1560 at 160+40
+Potential 300 DPS from Garde IIs at 30+12 or 225 DPS at 75+30 with Warden IIs
New Rev (Beam) (1.1x) - 4117 at 50+40, 1716 at 160+40

Rev (Pulse) - 6222 DPS at 23+13, 2592 at 75+13
+Potential 300 DPS from Garde IIs at 30+12 or 225 DPS at 75+30 with Warden IIs
New Rev (Pulse) (1.1x) - 6844 at 23+13, 2851 at 75+13

Range Modifiers:
1x T2 TC w/ Optimal: (1.15x)+(1.3x)
2x T2 TC w/ Optimal: (1.30x)+(1.64x)

I am liking the look of the rail, regardless of potential cap issues. (Getting good at avoiding ganked posts \o/, copy-pasta ftw)



Edit:



They retracted that change, just have yet to edit the blog.

so basicly, your using a dread fit, that yourll never see in a none wh dread fleet? as these ships are effectivly paper thin and cant hit small targets( bs and lower and now cant even kill a solo frig) and fitting blasters, that yourll never see in a none wh dread fleet.

you are right, only place now and after this change where a dread can be used liek it used to be is in a wh. but balancing them using expensive none fleet mods isnt my idea of balance. its liek compairing a t2 fit proteus with a full deadspace tengu

Leave fighters alone, Carriers are fine in this game and anything done to make fighters do less damage is going to break the game more. Fighter bombers should have there signature radius increased to make them do less damage against sub-caps. Stop breaking things please. Leave carriers alone, by reducing fighters damage to sub-caps your going to limit what the already limited carrier is used for. Might as well just strip its drone bay and make it purely a logistics ships for hauling ships. Because by nerfing fighters this is what your creating.

ok ccp most of the changers are kool but why nerf normal fighters there's not a problem with carrier's / fighters fighter bombers are the problem please for the love of god dont change fighters why brake somthing thats already ok as it is. LEAVE FIGHTER'S ALONE u must think to urselves right well fix this this nd this and brake this whilst were at it wtf ccp so please think about it they dont need nurfing supers needed the nurf nd dreads needed the boost carriers are fine i hope i get the point accross thanks

Fighter change got retracted, I'm too lazy to look up the post, and CCP is too lazy to edit their blog, but no more fighter change.

PPS : http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4015923 this is what we want back.

Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't aware of your prophetic abilities. Tell me: should I invest in nitrogen or helium isotopes?

Build requirements have been altered before. It will surely happen againGǪ if it turns out that it's needed. So far, there is nothing to suggest that it is apart from a solid wall of rather unreasoned whinging.Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't aware of your prophetic abilities. Tell me: should I invest in nitrogen or helium isotopes?

Build requirements have been altered before. It will surely happen againGǪ

new feedback

1. Please let dreads keep their drone bay - but have the siege module make it so dreads cannot use drones while in siege mode - similar to carriers triage mode.

2. Hel is getting hit the worst and will have the lowest EHP of all the mom's please leave their hp alone and maybe look into changing the bonus from logi to something like drone rof.

3. Drone bay sizes should be able to take a full compliment of fighters and fighter bombers. 25 f / 25 FB. This will leave some versatility to moms to either assign fighters to sub caps to help them out or have a full wing of bombers for capital / sov fights.

3.a. To appease the super cap whiners that have no friends to back them up in a fleet fight.
MAKE 2 drone bays. One for fighters and fighter bombers, And another one for regular drones. large enough to accomodate, 25 light, 25 medium, 25 heavy, 25 sentry, and 25 ewar.
Now to the whiney super cap pilots --- THIS IS MEETING THE ISSUE HALF WAY, It gives you reasonable defense against subs but its not op where you can constantly throw drones out.

4. AS an added bonus to help supers carriers and others, MAYBE offer a bonus to smartbomb range or neut range.

5. Look into dread / titan tracking of turrets,

6. You should explain more in depth about hybrid changes to quell the fear about the changes it is going to receive, you already broke its poor little legs.

7. If regular carriers are going to be support ships to the supers, make sure they get some good bonuses to help defend against sub caps,
7a - small hp buff
7b - better tracking for all drones
7c - speed bonus drones ETC

8. A note to the community - THESE ARE PLANNED CHANGES AND ARE NOT YET IN STONE! Get on the test server and try it out and offer constructive help not whining and rage quitting.

9. To most of you bitter vets - We were all around before super caps existed, we were all around fighting for sov long before tons and tons of moms were fielded. MAKE UP TACTICS, Send in the subs first to distract their subs then send in the dreads and supers to take out their capitals.