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FHM
Immortalis Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.14 20:34:00 -
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remove role of "ultimate command ship" "super awesome fleet cyno jumping ship" from titan put that on a subcap command ship and remove titan/sc from game. problem solved again. that will cut the number of titan/sc and you won't have to worry about having ships unable to kill other ships which would be a stupid game mechanic, minus transport ships. hell even tier 10 tanks in world of tanks can kill tier 1 tanks, though a tier 1 can't damage a tier 10. am i advocating for that in this game? No.
Have 0 arguments against removing them but i think that would mean more work and effort and more people would be unhappy whit that. Think we are past the point of removing them. |
The Dealmaker
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Posted - 2011.10.14 20:38:00 -
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FHM wrote:wanking monkey girl wrote:ccp the changes that have been suggested will empower the minority like FHM
most of eve are not happy with a total removel of the stranded drone bay but you can limit it
goons are only a small percent of eve they do not control and speak for the populous
look at the suggestions coming out in this thread and make some planed out changes to balance the up coming nurf. Super Capital pilots represent 1% of EvE Online population and they are the only ones that are crying about the changes not to mention these are mostly people belonging to big alliances that go by leaning on the fact they are holding sov because they can field so many super capitals. 99% of eve population will tell you these nerfs are badly needed and that they are not severe enough.
Not to talk about % ! For people who live in empire who majority in eve doeesn't matter what will be and what now in capital ships. |
FHM
Immortalis Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.14 20:41:00 -
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Not to talk about % ! For people who live in empire who majority in eve doeesn't matter what will be and what now in capital ships.
What ?
It concerns everybody absolutely everybody even care-bares in empire that will eventually become 0.0 players or low sec pirates etc.. |
The Dealmaker
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Posted - 2011.10.14 20:41:00 -
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Its problem 0.0 sec ONLY and many players from 0.0 have many chars as you know and its not 1% much more |
wanking monkey girl
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Posted - 2011.10.14 20:49:00 -
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thread is going off track again. lets start it up with my suggestions.
ships costing so much in both isk and skill time ccp think about rewarding the hard work of you loyal eve fans and addicts
How to fix a titan by making them remote links stop working on them.
getting impunity for ewar means it should not get any form of help from remote links like tracking and sebo.
nurf changes
hp hit great but not the hel
DD fine
agro timer great
sc
let them have 20 fighter bombers and 20 fighters and a small drone bay with about 500m3 this will cut
if you go ahead with the changes listed then turn them in to advanced carrier and let them dock at lest their going to be used and made after the nurf.
as many have pointed out with the agro timer you will see many more die in the weeks and month that follow..
but also fix the self destruct add so ships in combat can not selfdestruck.
on a side note super carriers in combat cannot refill on stranded drones lock the function with the agro timer.
solo super carrier moving about will be able to deafened itself for a limited amount of time
IF the planed changes are introduced allow them to dock and turn the super carriers in to advanced carriers.
LET advanced carriers DOCK
Trolling removed. Zymurgist |
FHM
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:02:00 -
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The Dealmaker wrote:Its problem 0.0 sec ONLY and many players from 0.0 have many chars as you know and its not 1% much more
Everyone that is paying for this game has a word in this its not only a 0.0 problem it conserns all players and if you read theve Q2 report you would know that super capital pilots represent barely 1.3 % of entire game population. 99% of people agree to this changes and also think they are not enough at least on Dreadnaught and Titan part.
Titans guns need nerfing, Dreads guns buffing same guns still you get the point.
Only thing i dissagree is that they applied EHP reduction to Hel that ship is poor as it is. |
The Dealmaker
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:06:00 -
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Yes nerf must be changes on dred and titand drone bay is away its ok i think it not play a big role on this ships on SC drone bay can be reduced but players must decide themseves how to fit it . |
wanking monkey girl
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:10:00 -
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this will affect high sec
miners mine in high sec for the mins
empire builders makes the rails for the huge about of mins needed to build supers and are going to be efected by this.
so before you say 99% are with this think about it
goons do not make up 99% of eve not eve 5% so think again about the statement you made. |
FHM
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:15:00 -
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The Dealmaker wrote:Yes nerf must be changes on dred and titand drone bay is away its ok i think it not play a big role on this ships on SC drone bay can be reduced but players must decide themseves how to fit it .
Ok how about this ? Give super carriers reduced 500m3 drone bay for other drones apart from Fighters and Fighter Bombers but make them take even when fully seboed and boosted 5min to lock a sub capital ship.
Or dont nerf the drone bay but make them able to field only 5 standard drones at once. That way they can hit sub capital ships but not for much they will still be useless in a BLOB since they can only field 5 standard drones at once and fighters cant hit anything anymore.
Those 2 solutions work.
In the end giving them any kind of ability to damage sub capitals is stupid. So any other change is stupid.
Just like this one: If they dont nerf them then make a very very cheap ship like t1 frig that costs 1mil isk but can disable any super carrier or titan for 5min.
So this small ship would be able to shoot 1 projectile at a super capital that would disable the super capital ship for 5 min rendering it unable to launch drones, activate any modules apart from hardners.
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FHM
Immortalis Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:20:00 -
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wanking monkey girl wrote:this will affect high sec
miners mine in high sec for the mins
empire builders makes the rails for the huge about of mins needed to build supers and are going to be efected by this.
so before you say 99% are with this think about it
goons do not make up 99% of eve not eve 5% so think again about the statement you made.
I have no link to to goons.. Nor do i favor them. You had a chance to vote against Mittani or put your own person in CSM but you didnt know deal whit it. I dont care what bunch of sociopaths think.
99% of people are the people that live in WH space, Empire doing L4s, Trade, Industry, Mining, Contracts, Piracy etc... , Low sec corporations and alliances that do piracy pvp, low sec incursions etc. And 0.0 that are unable to defend them selves against a steam roller that is a super capital blob.
If DRF came at SW whit a sub capital blob it would have been a long long war prolly ended up by DRF loosing. Consider i belong to no 0.0 alliance or corporation but this is the 99% of people. 99% of people do not sit in a super capital ship.
Read the EvE Quarterly reports it shows very well how many active super capitals are there in game... |
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RavenNyx
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:21:00 -
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Dogeatdog wrote:So seeing how hybrid damage is weak moros's are usless with no drone damage.Will the hitpoints be dropped on drones also?
Nice that ccp is always looking to nerf stuff to make the new players happy.Reminds me of another game that isnt around anymore.
lol
New players are flying moros' now, with T2 sentry drones? Oh, and I guess I just imagined the part about the buffing of hybrids, the ROF bonus comming to the moros, and the damage-buff to all dreads...
Ummm.. What where you saying again? |
The Dealmaker
Kant Coup
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:24:00 -
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I agree that SC is using for kill capitals but i even agree that SC can will have only 125k m3 drone bay its enough for 25 fb 20 for skills and +5 for drone units but if you dont want using fb you can fit any drones but you can't fit 25 fb its all and if SC alone in home system it can protect itself . |
FHM
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:25:00 -
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RavenNyx wrote:Dogeatdog wrote:So seeing how hybrid damage is weak moros's are usless with no drone damage.Will the hitpoints be dropped on drones also?
Nice that ccp is always looking to nerf stuff to make the new players happy.Reminds me of another game that isnt around anymore. lol New players are flying moros' now, with T2 sentry drones? Oh, and I guess I just imagined the part about the buffing of hybrids, the ROF bonus comming to the moros, and the damage-buff to all dreads... Ummm.. What where you saying again?
Hes saying he does not know jack S H I T about the game. |
FHM
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:29:00 -
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The Dealmaker wrote:I agree that SC is using for kill capital but i even agree that SC can will have only 125k m3 drone bay its enough for 25 fb 20 for skills and +5 for drone units but if you dont want using fb you can fit any drones but you can't fit 25 fb its all and if SC alone in home system it can protect itself .
Again you argument is stupid. SC Alone is not an option it does not work. SC Can protect is self against a dread or a carrier but not against a subcapital fleet that is just stupid. If you are caught solo you are dead. SC is meant to have sub capital support to defend it against other sub capitals.
You should only be able to fit and decide between Fighters or Fighter Bombers. Giving them any kind of ability to field other drones just gives them ability to put damage on sub capitals and does nothing to super capital BLOB warfare. |
The Dealmaker
Kant Coup
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:34:00 -
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FHM wrote:The Dealmaker wrote:I agree that SC is using for kill capital but i even agree that SC can will have only 125k m3 drone bay its enough for 25 fb 20 for skills and +5 for drone units but if you dont want using fb you can fit any drones but you can't fit 25 fb its all and if SC alone in home system it can protect itself . Again you argument is stupid. SC Alone is not an option it does not work. SC Can protect is self against a dread or a carrier but not against a subcapital fleet that is just stupid. If you are caught solo you are dead. SC is meant to have sub capital support to defend it against other sub capitals. You should only be able to fit and decide between Fighters or Fighter Bombers. Giving them any kind of ability to field other drones just gives them ability to put damage on sub capitals and does nothing to super capital BLOB warfare.
ok HOW SC protect from heavydictors? 4-5 heavy dictors cost 600-700 kk able to kill ship which cost 20b its funny |
wanking monkey girl
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:35:00 -
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the hp nurf with the agro change will result in more supers being killed
super need to be able to defend itself from a solo hic or dic |
Demon Azrakel
Bite Me inc
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:38:00 -
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wanking monkey girl wrote:the hp nurf with the agro change will result in more supers being killed
super need to be able to defend itself from a solo hic or dic
Passive shield regen should be enough... |
wanking monkey girl
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:41:00 -
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Demon Azrakel wrote:wanking monkey girl wrote:the hp nurf with the agro change will result in more supers being killed
super need to be able to defend itself from a solo hic or dic Passive shield regen should be enough...
it may not take any damage but all it will take to hold the ship in place for the small lol fleet to come and kill it
it want be able to log off or get out
so it will need some type of defense |
The Dealmaker
Kant Coup
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:41:00 -
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Demon Azrakel wrote:wanking monkey girl wrote:the hp nurf with the agro change will result in more supers being killed
super need to be able to defend itself from a solo hic or dic Passive shield regen should be enough...
?? Just looking about passiive shield on nyx and aeon and you thing its enough?)) |
FHM
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:48:00 -
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The Dealmaker wrote:FHM wrote:The Dealmaker wrote:I agree that SC is using for kill capital but i even agree that SC can will have only 125k m3 drone bay its enough for 25 fb 20 for skills and +5 for drone units but if you dont want using fb you can fit any drones but you can't fit 25 fb its all and if SC alone in home system it can protect itself . Again you argument is stupid. SC Alone is not an option it does not work. SC Can protect is self against a dread or a carrier but not against a subcapital fleet that is just stupid. If you are caught solo you are dead. SC is meant to have sub capital support to defend it against other sub capitals. You should only be able to fit and decide between Fighters or Fighter Bombers. Giving them any kind of ability to field other drones just gives them ability to put damage on sub capitals and does nothing to super capital BLOB warfare. ok HOW SC protect from heavydictors? 4-5 heavy dictors cost 600-700 kk able to kill ship which cost 20b its funny
By having sub capital support whit it. SC can do **** solo its not meant to be a solo ship i dont understand what you dont get here. SC depends on sub capital escorts to defend it against HICTORS... Or are you 2 stupid to understand that. |
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FHM
Immortalis Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:50:00 -
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wanking monkey girl wrote:the hp nurf with the agro change will result in more supers being killed
super need to be able to defend itself from a solo hic or dic
Again R E T A R D E D and STUPID argument. No they are no able to defend them selves against a solo hic or dic. If they are caught solo by a HICTOR they deserve to die. SC is not a solo ship that is not its role nor design it depends on sub capitals to defend her.
And solo HIC cant kill it solo it needs a fleet.
I dont get it how you are 2 stupid to understand that. |
FHM
Immortalis Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:52:00 -
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wanking monkey girl wrote:Demon Azrakel wrote:wanking monkey girl wrote:the hp nurf with the agro change will result in more supers being killed
super need to be able to defend itself from a solo hic or dic Passive shield regen should be enough... it may not take any damage but all it will take to hold the ship in place for the small lol fleet to come and kill it it want be able to log off or get out so it will need some type of defense
No if you are caught SOLO whithout subcapital support you are RE TARDE D and STUPID and deserve to die. SC is not a SOLO ship there is nothing this thing should be doing whitout sub capital support if its going to be fielded it needs a sub capital support. Thats why its getting nerfed cuss people like you are 2 stupid and 2 noob to get kills on even levels you need Super Capital ships to kill a lone frigate.
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wanking monkey girl
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:53:00 -
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you are thinking about fleets
we are talking about solo supers moving making isk and so on not every super are being used in the fleets
look at the post about ppl using them to make isk and so on
such ships need to be moved its not possible to move a fleet every time a ship needs to move.
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FHM
Immortalis Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:54:00 -
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The Dealmaker wrote:Demon Azrakel wrote:wanking monkey girl wrote:the hp nurf with the agro change will result in more supers being killed
super need to be able to defend itself from a solo hic or dic Passive shield regen should be enough... ?? Just looking about passiive shield on nyx and aeon and you thing its enough?))
Yes against 1 HIC yes it will last forever. 1 HIC cannot kill it it will need a fleet and they will still have enough EHP or Active tank to sustain them until friendly fleet comes to help but honestly if you are caught SOLO in a super capital ship you deserve to die and there should be no way of escape for you.
YOU WERE 2 STUPID TO REALIZE YOU ARE TAKING A FLEET SUPPORT SHIP OUT AS SOLO YOU DESERVE TO DIE IN IT |
The Dealmaker
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:55:00 -
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why not solo!!! solo pvp must exist !! its FUN some people have solo SC pvp and have fun as supcap pvp maybe even more if you want to protect from cap ships install cynosural jammer = 600kk ISK per month and cap ship not disterb you |
FHM
Immortalis Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:00:00 -
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wanking monkey girl wrote:you are thinking about fleets
we are talking about solo supers moving making isk and so on not every super are being used in the fleets
look at the post about ppl using them to make isk and so on
such ships need to be moved its not possible to move a fleet every time a ship needs to move.
1st of all you are beyond STUPID if you are using a super capital to do anomaly's. That is just plain stupid and if that is what you are doing you deserve to DIE. Even so when this patch gets out fighters will no longer be able to hit NPC BS so you wont be able to make any ISK anymore whit that Super Carrier.
Therefore SC's will no longer be able to defend them selves against sub capital ship. This change is final i dunno why we are even talking about this. Its the best change and its the most needed change right next to Titans DD and Gun nerf and Dreads gun buff. |
FHM
Immortalis Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:04:00 -
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The Dealmaker wrote:why not solo!!! solo pvp must exist !! its FUN some people have solo SC pvp and have fun as supcap pvp maybe even more
You are R E T A R D E D. Super capital is not a SOLO pvp ship. Its a fleet support ship. When they were created and added to the game all super capitals were meant to be fleet support ships if you have an idea of solo PVP whit a Super Capital you are ********.
SOLO PVP and RATTING is not what SC and Titan are meant for and after this patch they will be unable to do that. This will also end the SC blob warfare.
The 2 of you post most stupid and irrelevant arguments and comments possible. Its fun to watch you cry knowing that those changes are FINAL and that Super Capitals are going to become a useless pile of crap metal against sub capital ships. They will finally need sub capital ships to defend them against other sub capital ships. |
Demon Azrakel
Bite Me inc
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:06:00 -
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The Dealmaker wrote:Demon Azrakel wrote:wanking monkey girl wrote:the hp nurf with the agro change will result in more supers being killed
super need to be able to defend itself from a solo hic or dic Passive shield regen should be enough... ?? Just looking about passiive shield on nyx and aeon and you thing its enough?))
Fine, give me a second...
Ok, Passive shield regen is 86, so I guess not.
Phobos w/ neutrons and 3x mag stabs (see: not how phobos is fit): 436 DPS
Nyx has 1064039 Shield EHP
Ignoring passive regen, it will take the Phobos
2440 seconds to break shields or 40.6 minutes.
Lets look at armor EHP
32,970,318
75,619 seconds
1260 minutes
20 hours
1875000 Structure EHP
4300 seconds
71 minutes
OR: 21.85 Hours
(this is using antimatter M because I am lazy)
For Void: 17.04 hours
This all assumes no damage loss due to shield regeneration
This is probably the highest dps thing you will come up against in a SC, it has to be in range of your officer smartbombs, and will run out of ammo at:
((315m3 cargo) / (.025 m3/charge) ) / (5* (charges / 2.89 seconds)) = 7282 Seconds
121 minutes
2 hours
So, there is no reason to think you will lose your SC to a solo Hic/dic. If he manages to sit on top of you in neut range and smartbomb range receiving ammo drops from his indy alt for 17 hours and you can not get someone to save you, you deserve to lose your SC.
If you lose it to his gang, you really should be more careful and deploy with support, and it is not to be considered losing it to a solo hic. |
The Dealmaker
Kant Coup
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:06:00 -
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FHM wrote:wanking monkey girl wrote:you are thinking about fleets
we are talking about solo supers moving making isk and so on not every super are being used in the fleets
look at the post about ppl using them to make isk and so on
such ships need to be moved its not possible to move a fleet every time a ship needs to move.
1st of all you are beyond STUPID if you are using a super capital to do anomaly's. That is just plain stupid and if that is what you are doing you deserve to DIE. Even so when this patch gets out fighters will no longer be able to hit NPC BS so you wont be able to make any ISK anymore whit that Super Carrier. Therefore SC's will no longer be able to defend them selves against sub capital ship. This change is final i dunno why we are even talking about this. Its the best change and its the most needed change right next to Titans DD and Gun nerf and Dreads gun buff.
Well i playing in EVE for fun if game not satysfying me i change the game its not problem) ALL games must bring FUN!!!! and im not stupid , stupid you if you made a serious problem for all of it and propose to restrict all cap |
Demon Azrakel
Bite Me inc
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:09:00 -
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The Dealmaker wrote:FHM wrote:wanking monkey girl wrote:you are thinking about fleets
we are talking about solo supers moving making isk and so on not every super are being used in the fleets
look at the post about ppl using them to make isk and so on
such ships need to be moved its not possible to move a fleet every time a ship needs to move.
1st of all you are beyond STUPID if you are using a super capital to do anomaly's. That is just plain stupid and if that is what you are doing you deserve to DIE. Even so when this patch gets out fighters will no longer be able to hit NPC BS so you wont be able to make any ISK anymore whit that Super Carrier. Therefore SC's will no longer be able to defend them selves against sub capital ship. This change is final i dunno why we are even talking about this. Its the best change and its the most needed change right next to Titans DD and Gun nerf and Dreads gun buff. Well i playing in EVE for fun if game not satysfying me i change the game its not problem) ALL games must bring FUN!!!! and im not stupid , stupid you if you made a serious problem for all of it and propose to restrict all cap
You know what was like that? AoE DD. Did it get removed? Yes.
Setting it up so that one player with a SC can have fun at the expense of dozens who cannot touch it without their own caps / supers is poor game design. CCP is fixing this. |
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