Well i playing in EVE for fun if game not satysfying me i change the game its not problem) ALL games must bring FUN!!!! and im not stupid , stupid you if you made a serious problem for all of it and propose to restrict all cap

Go ahead and leave. This game is no FUN because of people like you who want to get in to a 20B ship and want it to be a ship that cant die and can kill everything there is and can go 1v50.

Leave you wont be missed if you truly loved this game you would be oke whit these changes you are useless in pvp and only kills you can get is if you go SC v T1 Frigate. You are pathetic and we dont need people like you that support BLOB Warfare you dont deserve 0.0 space or the ship you are flying.

Leave think CCP wont care if 1% leave think they care more if 99% leave because these changes were not implemented there are so many people that dont want to be part of big stupid alliances lead by stupid, greedy and arrogant people like Raiden, Goons, WN., Solar. etc.. but what to form own alliance and make a push in to 0.0 but they cant because they get blobed by retards like you.

Leave the game its going to be much more fun. If you consider having a solo ship that really isnt a solo ship to be unkillable and be able to kill anything in the game you are stupid and should go play the game all defunct people play simply head over to Blizzard they will point you in the direction. They made a game just for people like you.

you a nervous guy) well is fun)) one day solo SC killed my carrier another day subcap ship but its OK its just a game and this FUN!

1st of all you are beyond STUPID if you are using a super capital to do anomaly's. That is just plain stupid and if that is what you are doing you deserve to DIE. Even so when this patch gets out fighters will no longer be able to hit NPC BS so you wont be able to make any ISK anymore whit that Super Carrier.

Therefore SC's will no longer be able to defend them selves against sub capital ship. This change is final i dunno why we are even talking about this. Its the best change and its the most needed change right next to Titans DD and Gun nerf and Dreads gun buff.

acutally that's not true at all, you might wanna click on the dev blog about fighters part and reread what the guy wrote, calling people stupid and r e t a r d e d, when you are wrong is lol. in fact here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=169936#post169936

acutally that's not true at all, you might wanna click on the dev blog about fighters part and reread what the guy wrote, calling people stupid and r e t a r d e d, when you are wrong is lol. in fact here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=169936#post169936

No. It is not a great point. It's ridiculous. In this scenario you have a guy in a supercap and was disconnected for FOUR HOURS. So you get logged while attacking in a 20 billion isk ship and you can't get logged back in for four hours?? That's not realistic at all. Even if there was a real reasion server side for him to DC, and assuming the GMs didn't reimburse the loss, he still would have been able to log back in within that time frame. The odds of this happening at all are very slim. The odds of a supercap pilot not being able to log back in for four hours are astronomical. This situation could only affect a tiny micro-fraction of people... say one a year... and you want to accommodate that one person and alter the entire mechanic for that? That's just stupid.

Fine, give me a second...
Ok, Passive shield regen is 86, so I guess not.

Phobos w/ neutrons and 3x mag stabs (see: not how phobos is fit): 436 DPS

Nyx has 1064039 Shield EHP

Ignoring passive regen, it will take the Phobos
2440 seconds to break shields or 40.6 minutes.

Lets look at armor EHP
32,970,318
75,619 seconds
1260 minutes
20 hours

1875000 Structure EHP
4300 seconds
71 minutes

OR: 21.85 Hours

(this is using antimatter M because I am lazy)
For Void: 17.04 hours
This all assumes no damage loss due to shield regeneration

This is probably the highest dps thing you will come up against in a SC, it has to be in range of your officer smartbombs, and will run out of ammo at:

((315m3 cargo) / (.025 m3/charge) ) / (5* (charges / 2.89 seconds)) = 7282 Seconds
121 minutes
2 hours

So, there is no reason to think you will lose your SC to a solo Hic/dic. If he manages to sit on top of you in neut range and smartbomb range receiving ammo drops from his indy alt for 17 hours and you can not get someone to save you, you deserve to lose your SC.

If you lose it to his gang, you really should be more careful and deploy with support, and it is not to be considered losing it to a solo hic.

Thinking further about it, I have come to the conclusion that SC should only be allowed to field bombers. However as compensation they should get several manufacturing lines.

Fighter EHP is fine. The other day, a hostile carrier sitting on a station deployed fighters to shoot an anchorable bubble of mine 100km off the undock. I proceeded to kill three of his fighters in my battleship before he could recall them, while my mate in a cruiser picked off another. If a measly two ships can take out 40% of a carrier's offensive capabilities in the time it takes him to recall his fighters, I doubt fighters "need an ehp nerf."

Don't punish carrier pilots for peoples' general lack of competence.

Sad but determined, ELITE PVPER Needa3 is dedicated to using his titan as it should be used, as God meant it to be used, right to the end.

The game and everyone who plays it will be poorer when stories - no, let us say legends - like this can no longer be written in it.

Godspeed, sir.

@FHM

normally I wouldn't speak in a foul mannor on a forum post but you have got to be the most ******* ******** person i've seen post in this thread PERIOD!

supercarriers are not a ******* support ship they are like the titan and dread MASSIVE ******* DPS SHIPS the super carrier is a ship that does dmg with drones, the titan is a ship that has the highest dps in the game and has a ultimate weapon to do a massive burst of dmg, and the dread was supposed to be MASSIVE dps gunboat - the incomming changes will put their role back into check - DO NOT EVER CALL A SUPER CARRIER A SUPPORT SHIP AGAIN YOU ******** DUMBASS

a carrier is a support ship, a falcon is a support ship, a curse is a support ship, those are all support ships, ****.

titans should not be able to hit anything sub battleship and even then hardly at all, so yes incomming nerfs in that respect all fine and dandy, but taking away drones from a ******* drone boat? and only giving it max 25 fighters OR bombers?

I understand the point of making so you can defang a super but holy **** a 10 man fleet can defang a carrier in less than 30 seconds and then a 200 mill fleet kills a 15 billion dollar ship, how the **** is that fair? especially if they take a month and a half to build - your lack of intelligence is absolutely enlightening.

I remember when I was in 9th grade too but god damn.

titans and supercarriers should not be able to be killed by 10 man fleets, (subcaps) i dont even think 20 man fleets should be able to - it's a capital ship you are supposed to run away from it - and I really dont care if it's unfair to smaller alliances, they can get on the same page as everyone else there is always small alliances to pick on go **** them up and steal their **** grow larger as a alliance then take on the biggest alliance in eve.

what you are saying is that a 50 man alliance should be able to take a system from Raiden alliance because YOU WANT subcaps to kill a supercarrier that took a month to build in 5 minutes, and you want to do it with a 10 man fleet and not lose a single ship LOL you so mad bro.

it's so easy to kill a super carrier as it is now lol all you have to do is get a hic point on it with 10-20 high dps ships and 4 minutes later POP, anyone can do it - most alliances take 15-20 minutes to respond to a carrier tackle anyway, especially if you catch a super ratting - anyone who thinks otherwise doesnt live in null sec, or doesnt have supers in their alliance - it's plain and simple.

super carriers are easy enough to kill - now should they be abe to hold 5 million drones in their bay? hell no!

but the best super carrier pilots dont hold that many drones in their bay anyway, most just have an assortment of ecm drones a set of lights mediums and heavies and maybe sentries for pos shooting + 20 fighters and bombers.

IF a super carrier is using it's drones 1 of 2 situations has occured. 1) you're a ******** noob alliance roaming into a big boy system and you lack the skill to even warp away LMAO 2) they are DESPERATELY trying to break 3 or more hic tackles.

as it stands now if you tackle a carrier and a super warps in to help it, IT WONT HAVE RR on it only fail baddies put rr on a super, it'll be there to either use ecm on you or try to pew pew - but most pvp ships can out run any drone from a super cap LOL which makes me think you are even more fail.

if you can't kill a supercarrier you are just terrible at pvp - go back to high sec scrub

i can prolly do a search on battleclinic to show you 400+ kill mails within the last 3 months of supers being killed with less than 30 ships, but i'm not gonna spoon feed you l2play spaceships then come post on the big boy forums.

Why shouldnt Super-capitals' have some sort of means to defend themselves from smaller ships for a short period of time at least.

Some people have played this game for an awful long time and have accumulated lots of isk/skills etc, and decided to never stay in smaller alliances/corps. At the same time some of these smaller groups may have a few supercaps, this change will take away those players ability to ever use these ships, knowning the increased chance of being pinned down now with no way to defend yourself. Some of the smaller corps/alliances simply wont ever have the numbers playing to have proper support.

Yea sure, I am aware that in the real world small organizations would'nt own massive ships like this.

The changes may work well to prevent big alliances blobing, but I'm sure they restrict smaller groups using them at all now.

Giving them an ability to field fewer drones than fighters/bombers may have been a better option, so at least a single HIC cant keep them pinned down for 30mins or so whilst they get a fleet together.

Also if someone goes to the trouble of baiting a frigate or cruiser so they drop a titan in to use the doomsday, then why not? Surely acts like this are humouous.

The only change that was needed -- was the logoff timer, now that even the biggest whiners had figured out how to force the enemy to avoid committing supercaps without support fleet.

So, good change with logoff timer.

The ehp reduction will not work the way you intended. It will simply encourage more people to move to Titans and ensure whoever has more titans will always win the engagement since no one will want to risk third of their fleet being wiped by DDs on the first jump in.

There was nothing wrong with supercapital EHP, except it was hard to kill them in a lagged system with the logoff timer. All your EHP reduction now does is make titans even more king than before. Was this your intention?

Dronebays -- fine, but I'd consider allowing every class of a supercarrier to store one flight of BOTH fighters and fighter bombers.

Siege Timer -- good, will make small ninja stuff viable.

ECM Burst -- good, seemed like a bug to begin with tbh.



I would have much rather personally seen a complete redesign of the supercapital shipclass and taken them off the battlefield. This one will simply buy you a bit of time, without really addressing the issue at all. It will stealth boost titans, and make entities who can regularly field 30+ of them more overpowered than before.


The longer you prolong the titan issue, the bigger problem you face when you finally face up to the fact they need a no-combat role and you have to somehow make 2k+ titan accounts worthwile in a non-combat role.

Posting in a +100 page thread...

Well first off, the loggoff timer was needed and I have to quote Molle on this "Fear of loosing your ship makes you weak"

Yes I am one of the 3k SC pilots in game and I actually agree with Shadoo-¦s posting on page 3.




SC don't need to be nerfed, the reason they got buffed last time was that they were to vulnerable alone, remember its a 20Bil ship. It is still a carrier and carriers can field a truckload of drones. End of discussion, by removing all but the Fighters and FB's then they will be rather limited in its use...



Instead buff the Dreads to a certain level that they justify to be brought on to the battlefield, for example for every Dread in the same fleet let their eHP expand with a few % and when fielding lets say 20 or more dreads then their eHP exceeds what a focused DD can do in damage?

Don't remove content by nerfing what the older players have spent so much time and money on to get, instead tweak, fine tune and add content to resolve the issue...
2003 players will always have more SP, experience and isk than 2011 players regardless a metric-fekk-ton of postings on E-O claiming that the game is broken. The only difference now are that the bees shows up in Canes instead of Rifters...




Anyone who remember when the Danish corp X-13 killed the first Mothership in lowsec? Or how about when the BoB/GBC fleet smashed a "billboard" during the travel fleet on the way to the Max Damage campaign? Or when ASCN lost the first Titan ingame? Nothing in EvE are impossible, you just have to find a way to do it!


I am looking forward to see how the changes will look like when the winter expansion hits TQ, in the end its back to mr Darwin's theory:

"Evolve or die, those who refuse to adopt will become victims of Evolution."


Regards // Zork

SOLO SUPER CAPITALS AND SUPER CAPITAL BLOB are OVER
FINALY SUPER CAPITALS NEED TO RELY ON SUB CAPITAL SUPPORT TO DEFEND THEM AGAINST OTHER SUB CAPITALS



DEAL WHIT IT

Typing in caps still doesn't stop you looking like an idiot.

Look at the game designers own description of the Thanatos and then the Nyx and then come back with a silly argument why the Nyx shouldn't be able to do anything the Thanatos can do and more.

The fighter change needs reworking. Every single class of ship in the game iwns the class smaller it and can also bring a significant portion of it's damage agains ships two classes smaller

A battle ship is only two classes of ship smaller than a super carrier so the super should be able to hit it.

My solution would be to increase the Sig resolution of the fighters as the update sugests BUT actually make it a larger figure approx600-800m. This would make fighters totaly useless agains Cruiser and smaller hulls.
Now to compensate for this and to keep a portion of their damage against BC/BS optimal range and tracking need to be altered to have fighters able to hit them, currently their optimal and tracking make them suck at it.

This in conjunction with the removal of drones would reduce a super carriers ability to engage all sizes of ship while not just limiting them to attaking Capitals. Saying that though I think removing the regular drones is reducing their capabilities in too many places in one hit.

When fault finding change one thing at a time. If you **** around with all variables in one hit you have no idea what you're going to end up with and more mportantly even IF you get the desired effect you dont actually know why.