I think part of the problem people have have with the supers nerf is that a single Hic could kill a super on it's own.

I theroy that is.

Supers have no way to push them off.

so what is the count his week 10 titans 7 sc lost
even the non sov holders have super fleet and we will see them clash from time to time and fleets are lost.
soon the time of supers will end and the time of the super massive subcap blob will rule eve again to the exceptions of goons and mittans

Nuff said

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Battle summary containing seven destroyed titans...

FHM you have no idea what will happen after this nurf you are holding to the idea even with the said changes that they will be nothing but the odd ship you see from time to time that will kill all the pos mods sov mods and so on.

what about that the only safe place to have them will be low sec give the ecm mod will get them out of trouble is something happens

you also can't grasp the idea that you buy a ship you need to move it 4 cap jumps to the your home system you think you need to have a full support fleet to move 1 ship 4 jumps and to have a fleet at every point you are not being realistic about any of the suggestions coming forth.

you said you want to have small alliance move to 0.0 and take space from alliance with large super cap fleets at the moment
they have the fleets but they never started out with them every alliance holding space on a large scale have a sub cap fleet that know how to fight and will not just be using the 1 fleet comp but several,he power blocks have large amount of players backing them from several alliances if you think its possible for 1 alliance just starting out in eve to take space from one of the big players then you need to think again after the nurf you may see some change in the way 0.0 is structured but on the most part it will be the same setup.

old eve players that have invested a massive amount of time in to eve deserve some reward from the game not just a kick down from new payers and the people thinking its unfair they can't afford and use some ship types this is just not about supers but also in general.

FHM you can troll all you want


lets try and and salvage the thread for suggestions


ships costing so much in both isk and skill time ccp think about rewarding the hard work of you loyal eve fans and addicts

How to fix a titan by making them remote links stop working on them.
getting impunity for ewar means it should not get any form of help from remote links like tracking and sebo.

nurf changes
hp hit great but not the hel
DD fine
agro timer great

sc
let them have 20 fighter bombers and 20 fighters and a small drone bay with about 500m3 this will cut
if you go ahead with the changes listed then turn them in to advanced carrier and let them dock at lest their going to be used and made after the nurf.

as many have pointed out with the agro timer you will see many more die in the weeks and month that follow..

but also fix the self destruct add so ships in combat can not selfdestruck.

on a side note super carriers in combat cannot refill on stranded drones lock the function with the agro timer.
solo super carrier moving about will be able to deafened itself for a limited amount of time

IF the planed changes are introduced allow them to dock and turn the super carriers in to advanced carriers.
LET advanced carriers DOCK

"No that is exactly what needs to happen if you are 2 stupid to go and do something SOLO whit a FLEET SUPPORT ship whitout sub capital backup you deserve to die. The time when you did that and then got caught and log-offed and survived is over."

This is what some muppet wrote in response to my post, to stupid to actually understand my post it seems.

You say on one hand that if use a ship designed for fleet support solo then u deserve to die, well I agree, if you die, then u deserve it. Risk vs reward as always plays an important part in the game.

So if your saying this, then why do we need the nerf??

Answer, we dont, at least not to the extent that it will be implemented, what we perhaps need is more risk for the reward.

If you take away all the reward, nobody will risk their ships.

FHM how many supers have you killed?

so what is the count his week 10 titans 7 sc lost
even the non sov holders have super fleet and we will see them clash from time to time and fleets are lost.
soon the time of supers will end and the time of the super massive subcap blob will rule eve again to the exceptions of goons and mittans

Good job Init

Thats exactly the problem Super Carriers and Titans being able to hit ships smaller than BS. You said SC is 2 classes above BS so it should be able to hit them and battle-cruisers. Meaning BS whit no tracking enhancer or web should be able to hit a frig whit 0 sig thats moving at 500 orbit at 5km/s speed.

That is not balanced. If they should be able to hit sub capitals then they should not be able hulls below BS no matter how much they are Target Painted. The end result is to STOP super capital BLOB once and for ALL and for now. SC and Titans not being able to hit SUB CAPITAL ships is the only way to achieve that.

But the most pathetic thing i see is people that are part of alliances that can reimburse any number of super capital loses any time are crying about this. Not to mention so many SC losses get reimbursed by CCP we also have Alliances now sitting on such stupendous amounts of ISK that 20 Billion isk is really crap wallet balance.

Again stupid and non valid argument why we shouldn't nerf them. As long as there is no way to counter them other than having the greater number of super capitals than your opponent on the field they are broken and need to be balanced.
It's stupid to have 1 thing in game that can dominate all. Now ill just stack 1000 of those and ffs... Your logic is stupid.

1) Understand that super capitals are not SOLO ships
2) Once you understand they are not solo ships understand that by that they dont need anti sub capital support
3) Once you understand 2) you know they have anti capital and super capital ability
4) Once you understand 1) 2) and 3) you will understand that they depend on sub capital support

END OF STORY

BLOB warfare is the result of this NERF. Meaning Super Capitals on field can establish an unbrakable cap transfer and remote repair chain that no sub capital fleet can brake whit its DPS. And now these ships can also output the DPS 100x bigger than the entire output of any sub capital fleet.

This is stupid. I understand you are MAD about you ship getting nerfed but BLOB warfare need to end either that or it will be the end of the GAME as it is. Because there is no fun for me to get 500 of my allies to go fight our enemy just to see them bring 150 super capitals and wipe the floor whit my fleet. Next time i will bring 1000 ships and they will bring 150 super capitals and my client will crash leaving maybe 100 of my allies online and barely active and again super capital fleet wins.

The fleet fights should happen on sub capital lvl, where super capitals assist the sub capital fleet by removing enemy logistic carriers of the field, reparing our sov infrastructure and guarding our main command ship being the Titan.

If super capitals remain as they are then there is really no need for sub capital classes other than t1 frigs for lighting cynos and no point of sub capital powers to fight against super capitals so no point in playing the game meaning that 99% of eve population should just leave the game.

Your logic is flawed.

The dark side is strong in you FHM

No, my logic is relevant to me, and the way I play eve, i.e not in a large alliance with a **** load of supercaps on the field crashing my system.

Your logic is very much all about how YOU play the game, and how this change affects YOU!

Like I said in a small alliance or corp, having the ability to occassionaly use these ships is only right and fair. Anyone flying one of these solo will soon lose it, most people around null sec have some sort of bat-phone. Thats all part of the game, and a risk that people should be able to take outside of the large alliance.

So making these ships only useable in large alliances for a very specific role is pretty crap. If your arguement is that's what they were always intended for then they should never have been given the capabilities they have atm, and yes people are going to pissed off, people in smaller corps who now have no use for them whatsoever.

The real problem was created by the ease of acquiring these ships for the super alliances, I refer to the botting etc, if these problems had been addressed sooner then much less people would have them. I've reported botters myself only to have ccp ignore my mails.

The 7 titans Red Alliance just lost are a lie. It is not possible. With current supercapital EHP they all would have been able to log off and survive the 15 minute aggression timer.

Also it is not possible for a force to be able field enough supercapitals to counter a member of the DRF. Just cant be done.

Oh wait those titans were dying in under 90 seconds each? How could that be? And oh wait, if another powerhouse alliance just fields supercapitals against supercapitals they don't have to worry about balancing them against subcapitals like hurricanes?

Yeah the problem with supercapitals must be the EHP, log off timers, fighters and bombers not that Goonswarm doesn't want to have to put their own supercapitals and capitals on field.

That fight where RA & allies lost lots of super to a equal super number is the proof that its not about balancing. Its about balls and alliance management.


If NC leadership wasnt so busy saving isks not reimbursing theirs supers pilots, PL/Raiden/NCDot would have to face them in tribute with 200 supers + 300 subs against 200 supers + 1000 subcaps. When they decided not to stand by their pilots, all they did was jump to low sec and hide their toys. TBH, I cant blame them.

Now we have to deal with shortsighted people who thinks that innability to realize that using their massive subcap number in form of neuts + extra supercap DPS would wipe out lots of the tech cartel supers and evict the invasion.... The problem its not the ship stats, is how they are used well in one group and not on the other.


ALSO, FHM, want some cheese?

Supercaps can kill supercaps therefore supercaps aren't overpowered?

OK.

- When a ship can not be sensor boosted or tracking disrupted, it should not be possible to remote sensor boost or tracking link.
It makes no sense at all.

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If you make cap size rigs, that should solve the issue with EHP without touching the numbers.
Make shield extender rigs and Armor extender rigs take 200 rig-power-thingies, so you then lose 1 rig slot if buffer tanking.
Make cap rigs only T1, that means tanked damage type HP * 1,15^2 instead of HP * 1,2^3. This will help for the HP's.

(Give the Hel some love first)

Destroy all T1 rigs in titans / supercaps (LOL-T1 rigs)
Make all T2 rigs the T1 cap size.
Any rigs that exeed the rig-power, eject rig in slot 3 to cargo bay.
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Make a rig that takes 150 rig power that will allow you to field 250 m3 of HEAVY drones. That is, sentries, heavy armor/shield bots, heavy EW drones. This will again cost you 15% of your 'tanked' HP buffer. That means your SC will have 70% less shield if you want to field 20 regular drones.

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Throw the Super pilots a bone...
Make Supercaps and Titans dock-able at stations with a SUPER CAP UPGRADE mod. This mod should cost 100 billion isk, and it should be impossible to board a super-cap if the station fitting services are off-line. Un-docking super caps should do so with 0 CAP and all high slots off-line. Gives people a reason to own some space.

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Remove 1 gun / turret from each Titan.
Remove DD.

Make a titan sitting at a CUSTOM OFFICE, tapping into its coordinate flux power generator able to start a 5 min 2 way bridge to another titan within 3-5 AU, at another CUSTOM OFFICE. (able to run freighters through)

Give Amarr titans a 50km radius energy neutralizing field that triggers every 30 seconds while in 'enforcer mode' (as in, stuck there for 75 seconds) neuting like a medium neut, not stackable with other amarr titans.

Give Minmatar titans a 50km web-field. (not stackable with other minmatar titans) while in 'enforcer mode'.

Give Caldari titans a 25 km cloaking field, that will cloak any ship moving slower than 30 m/s and not targeting anyone. while in 'enforcer mode'.

Give Gallente titans a 40 km radius warp disruption field (same as large T2 bubble) with a scramble strength of 1. while in 'enforcer mode'.


Make Gallente and Minmatar able to trade each others Enforcement mods by use of a 200 power rig. (and Amarr / Caldari)

No you see its perfectly balanced because if you want to do anything outside of high sec you just have to get your own bigger supercap blob.

tldr the last 20 pages. Any updates from CCPs side on this blog?