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I have to say I find these changes redudant an unneccessary. So when these changes take effect - I need to be able to use a Skirmish Warfare link in order to fly my sliepnir? A Field command ship..commonly used for soloing where warfare links are totally unnecessary. So when you said "if I could fly it before, i'll be able to fly it after these changes" you meant... except for your command ships if you don't have leadership training.

What I don't get is why CCP is choosing to revamp skill sets when there is so much more you could be doing for the game. You say that the destroyers and battlecruisers skills will be the same ranks as they were before. So how is my 1.5mil in battlecruisers going to be distributed amongst the racial skills you plan to implement if they are the same rank (meaning the same amount of skillpoints to achieve level V.)

Could you please

1.) RTFDB,
2.) sit down and meditate over what you read
3.) read it again, as you seem to have some serious problems
4.) meditate some more
5.) ask someone to explain it to you

6.) and most importantly: NOT write a forum post that makes you look stupid after 40 pages of discussion?

Nope, Only if you are learning the skill now. The prereqs are for INJECTING a skill, not flying a ship you have the skill for.


Read the OP again. you get skillpoints for free.

As far as i know...any RED X on a prerequisite skill listed on the hull means I can't sit in the hull.

Last edit - I would suggest getting rid of those skills as prereqs for the command ship skill. It doesn't make sense to me that a pilot who will train into command ships in the future will have to train for all of the available command mods, especially if he's only training for a specific race, as indicated by the racial battlecruiser skills. I.E. Claymore which only gets bonuses to skirmish links. Sure it would be nice if he gave the other bonuses as well but lvl IV's would easily do for bonuses especially seeing as that claymore would probably be put in a squad that benefits from lower sig radius, propulsion jamming range, and mwd speed far more than they would benefit from the other bonuses. And again... it most scenarios i've seen field command ships in..they aren't running links anyway..or a gang. It would make more sense to me if Armored Warfare V was required for a damnation..skirmish for a claymore etc. etc. or better yet...not required at all except to put the mods on your ship.

My 2 cents... last i'll be saying on the issue.

I think it would be obvious to any non-troll that seeing 43 pages of comments in this thread alone and 108 pages of comments on the original post on the subject (and countless other posts and threads) that I don't give a rat's tushy about a couple skill books lying around.

I don't have any of these skill books lying around. Ok?

At this point, the only thing I feel about this change, is being distressed that CCP only reacts to rage-posts of people who did not read the Blog and at least some of the Dev posts, instead of participating in the discussion about how the transition is planned (and other valid and calmly voiced suggestions). I do not mean for them to be pushed in a defensive position, but I still feel that feedback can only work in two directions. Even setting aside the very passionate conducted discussion about skill reimbursements, there were a few ideas about how some prerequirements could be changed differently from - or additionally to - CCP's ideas. I would really like to hear the opinion of CCP about those proposals.

On a similar vein of reducing confusion, any chance on renaming "Capital Ships" and "Capital Industrial Ships" to something like "Capital Spaceship Command" and "Industrial Spaceship Command"? I know those are more verbose but it would make a lot more sense as to where those skills fit in the overall scheme.

There is one thing i want to ask, my alt can fly a freighter, but they dont have the advanced spaceship command to 5. Is the policy still that if you could fly it before, you can fly it now?

slightly annoying in a away as a lot of ppl spent time training LONGER for something thats going to give everyone else a A LOT shorter time to train.

Don't we get some sort of compensation for that? fine we get a skillpoint increase, but in terms of lost time and actually gaining anything more, we get nothing.

One could also consider to make the primary requirement the one to inject the ship skillbook, while the secondary requirement still needs to be fullfilled to actually fly it. That would make it slightly easier on the respecs, since e.g. one could stay on Willpower and Percption (hpoefully one had this to train other ships) to train the BO, HIC etc. skills and then respec later to train the navigation and other requirements for those.

Edit: Nevermind that collides with CCP's messed up plan to let players have different skills to fly a ship after the patch.

Actually it mostly collides with their 'if you can fly it now..' policy, which might be the main reason for not doing things in a sensible way.

Sadly.

Actually it mostly collides with their 'if you can fly it now..' policy, which might be the main reason for not doing things in a sensible way.

Sadly.

Nothing weird at all. People just have to be careful when snipping quotes and Fozzie apparently wasn't :).

We're killing the tier system violently with a smile on our face.

I think you might want to wipe that smug smile off your face. A lot of die hard fans don't like this -tieracide-cookie-cutter ship-let's make this WoW- attitude that CCP keeps coming back to even after mass cancelations of subscriptions.

Or, I suppose you will laugh all the way to the bank, as the children flock to the latest easy game to master. (Until they too get bored, and leave en mass.)

Not seeing how doing this as suggested is more sensible unless you thought the prior prerequisite system made no sense either.

I think you might want to wipe that smug smile off your face. A lot of die hard fans don't like this -tieracide-cookie-cutter ship-let's make this WoW- attitude that CCP keeps coming back to even after mass cancelations of subscriptions.

Or, I suppose you will laugh all the way to the bank, as the children flock to the latest easy game to master. (Until they too get bored, and leave en mass.)

I hear you. Well, while I think the "you can fly it now..." stuff is bull, try to imagine the uproar if they would not do it (god forbid one would have to train a week to be back in one's capital again), or if instead they were to just gift us with the skillpoints needed to live up to it (i would organize the uproar, lol). So I can partly understand why they do it. Though I really wish they would have come up with a way that does not leave a mess in the end.

From the dev blog post: "If, for some odd reason, you have Destroyers and/or Battlecruisers skills, but have no Racial Frigate/Cruiser 3 at all, then the skill points will be moved in the free allocation pool when the old skills are removed."

Just want to make sure I understand this. Say I have Min Frig 4/ Min Cruiser 4 and Destroyers/Battlecruisers to 5 and no other racial frig/cruiser skills trained up. Will I end up with a bunch of "free" skill points that would have otherwise gone into racial battlecruisers had I trained those racial frig/cruiser skills?

slightly annoying in a away as a lot of ppl spent time training LONGER for something thats going to give everyone else a A LOT shorter time to train.

Don't we get some sort of compensation for that? fine we get a skillpoint increase, but in terms of lost time and actually gaining anything more, we get nothing.