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Intex Encapor
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Posted - 2013.02.07 16:56:00 -
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bah extra sp will push me up one clone level, i seriously hate you now |
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CCP Ytterbium
C C P C C P Alliance
1582
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Posted - 2013.02.07 16:58:00 -
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Just to clarify one valid question.
- Even if the prerequisites change, you can still fly the ship as long as you had the main skill before the overhaul. This is not in question here.
- However, if the prerequisites change, you cannot train the skill until the new prerequisites are met.
Ex:
- You have Amarr Freighter 1 after the change but not Advanced Spaceship Command 5. You can still fly the Providence, but not train Amarr Freighter past 1 until you have Advanced Spaceship Command 5 trained.
We are considering changing this so you can still train the skill even after the prerequisites are changed, we'll keep you posted as soon we have an answer.
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Ethan Revenant
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
41
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Posted - 2013.02.07 16:58:00 -
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Green Gambit wrote:Ethan Revenant wrote:Protip: that was the devblog I linked and the context for the parenthetical statement. Ah sorry yes. I blame the brain damage from reading the same question/response cycle so many times in the thread so far
No worries. I was perplexed, that's all. I too am starting to see "but will I still be able to fly x?" in every line of text... |
C DeLeon
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
101
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Posted - 2013.02.07 16:59:00 -
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If I have the "Interdictors" lvl1 skill but I don't have the "Propulsion Jamming" lvl5 and "Graviton Physics" lvl1 yet what's gonna happen with my "Interdictors" skill and the ability to fly a dictor (even without interdiction sphere launcher)? Am I gonna loose the skill and the ability to be able to fly a dictor? I know that dictor without bubble is pretty much useless but it would be good to know. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3681
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:00:00 -
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Intex Encapor wrote:bah extra sp will push me up one clone level, i seriously hate you now And they said they were going to implement something to mitigate the impact. So much for that... Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3681
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:00:00 -
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C DeLeon wrote:If I have the "Interdictors" lvl1 skill but I don't have the "Propulsion Jamming" lvl5 and "Graviton Physics" lvl1 yet what's gonna happen with my "Interdictors" skill and the ability to fly a dictor (even without interdiction sphere launcher)? Am I gonna loose the skill and the ability to be able to fly a dictor? I know that there isn't much of use of a dictor without bubble but it would be good to know. Please, PLEASE read the thread, your questions have been answered several times. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
88
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:01:00 -
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Metal Mini wrote:So much for if you can fly it before you can fly it after. I can currently fly the Mimitar and Amarr command ships but dont have the warfare skills trained at all. If I am reading this right. Once the changes take place I wont be able to fly these ships at all unless I train them. I am ok with most of the changes but this one really pisses me off. You're misunderstanding the requirements. All you will need is the Primary Skill and Secondary Skill (and Tertiary Skill, where applicable) to fly the ships post-patch. (These skills are the ones at the very top of the nested skill tree.)
You cannot train for Command Ships, in your example, after the patch unless you have the nested requirements already. But if you can fly it now, you can fly it after, since you will have the requisite Amarr Battlecruiser V and Minmatar Battlecruiser V, as well as Command Ships I.
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tgl3
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
268
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:02:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:
You have Amarr Freighter 1 after the change but not Advanced Spaceship Command 5. You can still fly the Providence, but not train Amarr Freighter past 1 until you have Advanced Spaceship Command 5 trained. We are considering changing this so you can still train the skill even after the prerequisites are changed, we'll keep you posted as soon we have an answer. [/list] Please do change it. :( Member of the EVE Blog Pack - Through Newb Eyes Twitter - TG_3 |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3681
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:03:00 -
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The only skills you have to be concerned about in the prerequisites are those that are fully left-justified (also the top of the list in each category). If you have those, the others don't matter. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1695
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:03:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Just to clarify one valid question.
- Even if the prerequisites change, you can still fly the ship as long as you had the main skill before the overhaul. This is not in question here.
- However, if the prerequisites change, you cannot train the skill until the new prerequisites are met.
Ex:
- You have Amarr Freighter 1 after the change but not Advanced Spaceship Command 5. You can still fly the Providence, but not train Amarr Freighter past 1 until you have Advanced Spaceship Command 5 trained.
We are considering changing this so you can still train the skill even after the prerequisites are changed, we'll keep you posted as soon we have an answer.
We appreciate the confirmation, thanks!
FWIW, it doesn't bother me which way you decide on the further training issue, but you may end up with bugs or complaints post-patch if you don't stop/address everyone's training queue who is training any skill for which the requirements have changed.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
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Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
190
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:04:00 -
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Intex Encapor wrote:bah extra sp will push me up one clone level, i seriously hate you now CCP Should reduce all clone costs because of this change.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3681
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:05:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:We are considering changing this so you can still train the skill even after the prerequisites are changed, we'll keep you posted as soon we have an answer. I think I speak for everyone when I say that this would be a really good change to make, otherwise you're liable to **** quite a few people off. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Junko Sideswipe
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
112
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:11:00 -
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Looks good, now when is Soundwave removing clone costs like he said he wanted to do in the minutes last summer? Confederation of xXPIZZAXx CEO Watch PIZZA Videos http://www.youtube.com/user/LunchSquad |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1566
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:12:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Just to clarify one valid question.
- Even if the prerequisites change, you can still fly the ship as long as you had the main skill before the overhaul. This is not in question here.
- However, if the prerequisites change, you cannot train the skill until the new prerequisites are met.
Ex:
- You have Amarr Freighter 1 after the change but not Advanced Spaceship Command 5. You can still fly the Providence, but not train Amarr Freighter past 1 until you have Advanced Spaceship Command 5 trained.
We are considering changing this so you can still train the skill even after the prerequisites are changed, we'll keep you posted as soon we have an answer.
Please change it to "The prereq to training a skill is having that skill injected". Reason: Ive already trained the needed prereq skills under the old system in order to get the skill under the old system. Ive paid my dues. Telling me to pay them again is not cool. The only way to make it cool would be to reimburse those prereqs no longer needed so I can move the SP to the new ones that are needed. But that would be a huge can of worms. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Saithe
Grumpy Old Spacevets
63
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:12:00 -
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Because I am lazy, and don't care to read an entire wall of text in its entirety (or even check this thread for the answer), would someone mind answering me the following question:
I currently have every race frigate, cruiser, and battleship skill trained to 5, as well as destroyers and battlecruisers 5.
With these new changes, will I automatically be given each race destroyer/battlecruiser skill to 5? Or will I have to reacquire 3 of the 4?
The blog post, from what I was able to read, was not too clear on that. I assume, because it's stated that 'if you can fly it now, you'll be able to fly it post-change', I will be given the racial destroyer/battlecruiser skills to the currently trained level of the des/bc skill, according to the trained racial frig skills currently. |
C DeLeon
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
101
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:13:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:C DeLeon wrote:If I have the "Interdictors" lvl1 skill but I don't have the "Propulsion Jamming" lvl5 and "Graviton Physics" lvl1 yet what's gonna happen with my "Interdictors" skill and the ability to fly a dictor (even without interdiction sphere launcher)? Am I gonna loose the skill and the ability to be able to fly a dictor? I know that there isn't much of use of a dictor without bubble but it would be good to know. Please, PLEASE read the thread, your questions have been answered several times. I searched for the word "interdic" on every page but found no answer. The official answer arrived after I started to write my comment. There is no reason to be a smartass about it. |
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CCP Ytterbium
C C P C C P Alliance
1583
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:15:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:Just to clarify one valid question.
- Even if the prerequisites change, you can still fly the ship as long as you had the main skill before the overhaul. This is not in question here.
- However, if the prerequisites change, you cannot train the skill until the new prerequisites are met.
Ex:
- You have Amarr Freighter 1 after the change but not Advanced Spaceship Command 5. You can still fly the Providence, but not train Amarr Freighter past 1 until you have Advanced Spaceship Command 5 trained.
We are considering changing this so you can still train the skill even after the prerequisites are changed, we'll keep you posted as soon we have an answer.
Please change it to "The prereq to training a skill is having that skill injected". Reason: Ive already trained the needed prereq skills under the old system in order to get the skill under the old system. Ive paid my dues. Telling me to pay them again is not cool. The only way to make it cool would be to reimburse those prereqs no longer needed so I can move the SP to the new ones that are needed. But that would be a huge can of worms.
We know that, your concerns are being brought in our internal discussion . Again, we'll give an answer as soon as we can. |
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Zilero
The Littlest Hobos Whores in space
36
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:16:00 -
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Can I please have a SP refund on Mining Barges V as I no longer need that to fly a Rorq... oh god, what a terrible useless skill to posses after summer |
Merouk Baas
522
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:16:00 -
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Would CCP or anyone create an API-based tool that'll tell us what our final skills will be, based on our current skills? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3686
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:17:00 -
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C DeLeon wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:C DeLeon wrote:If I have the "Interdictors" lvl1 skill but I don't have the "Propulsion Jamming" lvl5 and "Graviton Physics" lvl1 yet what's gonna happen with my "Interdictors" skill and the ability to fly a dictor (even without interdiction sphere launcher)? Am I gonna loose the skill and the ability to be able to fly a dictor? I know that there isn't much of use of a dictor without bubble but it would be good to know. Please, PLEASE read the thread, your questions have been answered several times. I searched for the word "interdic" on every page but found no answer. The official answer arrived after I started to write my comment. There is no reason to be a smartass about it. Your question was answered in a much more general sense. Next time train reading comprehension before you clutter the thread up with useless crap. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
9
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:18:00 -
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Intex Encapor wrote:bah extra sp will push me up one clone level, i seriously hate you now
I didn't think it was possible, but you are even more bitter on the official Eve forums than you are on the CVA forums. You are like an IPA version of yourself. This is the coolest thing I have ever learned. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
473
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:18:00 -
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Cool changes, but please hurry up and give the Naglfar three guns, because if you make flying a moros as easier for me as training Cap Hybrids One and Dread One which you are doing, My CEO will ***** at me to fly a fecking moros.
All in all Solid work, I do enjoy the idea of 6m extra free skill points on my tab, for nothing more then a patch update. BC 5 Dessi 5 huzzar.
O god, Now i'll be able too fly an archon. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Buff the Niddy as well or it will never again undock. Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
598
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:26:00 -
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Is there something wrong with the picture or caption concerning the Frieghters skills? you say "Freighters GÇóNow requires Advanced Spaceship Command 5 instead of 1" but the picture shows 1
Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
55
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:28:00 -
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Saithe wrote:Because I am lazy, and don't care to read an entire wall of text in its entirety (or even check this thread for the answer), would someone mind answering me the following question:
I currently have every race frigate, cruiser, and battleship skill trained to 5, as well as destroyers and battlecruisers 5.
With these new changes, will I automatically be given each race destroyer/battlecruiser skill to 5? Or will I have to reacquire 3 of the 4?
The blog post, from what I was able to read, was not too clear on that. I assume, because it's stated that 'if you can fly it now, you'll be able to fly it post-change', I will be given the racial destroyer/battlecruiser skills to the currently trained level of the des/bc skill, according to the trained racial frig skills currently.
TL;DR How do these changes affect us old players who have everything to 5 already?
I'd answer you, but I am too lazy.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
598
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:28:00 -
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Wow as a middlling SP character with 30 million SP I see I'm really going to get ****** up the rear is my initial impression Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Cameron Zero
Red Federation
154
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:28:00 -
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Saithe wrote:Because I am lazy, and don't care to read an entire wall of text in its entirety (or even check this thread for the answer), would someone mind answering me the following question:
I currently have every race frigate, cruiser, and battleship skill trained to 5, as well as destroyers and battlecruisers 5.
With these new changes, will I automatically be given each race destroyer/battlecruiser skill to 5? Or will I have to reacquire 3 of the 4?
The blog post, from what I was able to read, was not too clear on that. I assume, because it's stated that 'if you can fly it now, you'll be able to fly it post-change', I will be given the racial destroyer/battlecruiser skills to the currently trained level of the des/bc skill, according to the trained racial frig skills currently.
TL;DR How do these changes affect us old players who have everything to 5 already?
As I'm reading it, you'll get all four racial destroyer/battlecruiser skills trained to V (since you already have the racial frigate/cruiser skills at V (requires III), and destroyers/battlecruisers at V. "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. GǪ" |
Intex Encapor
15
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:29:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Intex Encapor wrote:bah extra sp will push me up one clone level, i seriously hate you now I didn't think it was possible, but you are even more bitter on the official Eve forums than you are on the CVA forums. You are like an IPA version of yourself. This is the coolest thing I have ever learned.
thats hardly bitter |
MisterAl tt1
Pretenders Inc W-Space
43
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:29:00 -
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Iteron5 with skill req. at 1 ? You gotta be kidding. Maybe remove all different industrials at all, with 1 leaving for every race, in that case? |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1567
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:31:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:Just to clarify one valid question.
- Even if the prerequisites change, you can still fly the ship as long as you had the main skill before the overhaul. This is not in question here.
- However, if the prerequisites change, you cannot train the skill until the new prerequisites are met.
Ex:
- You have Amarr Freighter 1 after the change but not Advanced Spaceship Command 5. You can still fly the Providence, but not train Amarr Freighter past 1 until you have Advanced Spaceship Command 5 trained.
We are considering changing this so you can still train the skill even after the prerequisites are changed, we'll keep you posted as soon we have an answer.
Please change it to "The prereq to training a skill is having that skill injected". Reason: Ive already trained the needed prereq skills under the old system in order to get the skill under the old system. Ive paid my dues. Telling me to pay them again is not cool. The only way to make it cool would be to reimburse those prereqs no longer needed so I can move the SP to the new ones that are needed. But that would be a huge can of worms. We know that, your concerns are being brought in our internal discussion . Again, we'll give an answer as soon as we can.
Good. Ive added a couple of other points to consider in my previous post. Also there is a compromise: Make it "The prereq to training a skill is having that skill injected" for a month or two. Then change it to "All prereqs are needed to inject or train any skill". That will give time for us players to get use to the new prereqs and train them as desired. Sort of like the POS fuel changeover.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1567
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:33:00 -
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MisterAl tt1 wrote:Iteron5 with skill req. at 1 ? You gotta be kidding. Maybe remove all different industrials at all, with 1 leaving for every race, in that case? Or give them different roles: Speed, survivability, volume, fleet hangar, fitting service, etc. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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