Whereas part of the skills required to fly the ship have been removed, some of the skills required to fly the ship well have been added to the requirements. So it takes the same amount of time to get into the ship, but it takes less time to train the skills necessary to fly the ship well.

What gains are there behind adding strictly non beneficial time, which shouldn't be confused with adding difficulty, to getting into a ship?

The concept of skill progression is what EVE is built on. I can understand the reason behind some of the changes, even though CCP have contradicted themselves in the Dev Blog, but that's another story.

You mention non-beneficial time being compared with adding difficulty. I have no idea what you mean by 'adding difficulty'.

I do not believe that retaining Battleship 5 as a pre-req is non-beneficial. Most Cap pilots will also be flying Battleships from time to time, and this level of BS 5 will be beneficial to them in these cases.

It is not the same as being a Super pilot, where the skill set only applies to that ship, as you cannot leave it (unless you use a holding char).

There also shouldn't be such thing as "the best tech1 industrial"

The skills that are being added to the command ship skill prereqs all give bonuses to your fleet even if you don't fit any warfare links, and are therefore all very valuable for any character that wants to sit in a squad command position, command ship or not.

Command Ship prerequisites made sense to me. You fly Command Ships in order to provide boosts / buffs to your fleet. And to install links. Just like nobody will take your Logi ship to an incursion or PVP fight without good skills for it, nobody will want your command ship unless you have the Leadership skills trained and the appropriate boost modules installed.

Leadership takes a long time and sucks because it's Charisma primary. It wouldn't be so bad if CCP made it Willpower primary. But, that's their choice.

You do realise there's an entirely separate line of CS called Field Command right?

They're basically T2 BC's which just happen to get a bonus to links, no one actually puts links on them. They do lots of dps, have great tank and great resists.

The Command ship skill requires the training of the skills for exactly 0 links. Note that there is a big difference between "Armored Warfare" and "Armored Warfare Specialist"

[quote=Jonas Sukarala]Well a shield fleet doesn't need the armoured warfare skill or necessarily the bonus from the skirmish and information warfare.

Command Ships

Racial Cruiser 5 requirement swapped for racial Battlecruiser 5
Generic and old Battlecruiser skill removed from the Command Ship skill
Heavy Assault Ships skill requirement removed from Field Command Ships (Absolution, Nighthawk, Astarte, Sleipnir)
Logistics skill requirement removed from Fleet Command Ships (Damnation, Vulture, Eos, Claymore)
Information Warfare 5 skill added as requirement for the Command Ship skill
Armored Warfare 5 skill added as requirement for the Command Ship skill
Siege Warfare 5 skill added as requirement for the Command Ship skill
Skirmish Warfare 5 skill added as requirement for the Command Ship skill

This all seems pretty reasonable...when destroyers and BCs were added they were somewhat of specialty ships which (especially on the BC side) became the new standard due to game mechanics. Converting BC/Destroyer level X to 4x level X racial skills is good, it gives people 'free SP' but what's important is that it doesn't penalize people who trained BC 5 and moved on becuase that was all to train.

One question on the EAF/Interdictor change that's likely already been covered in this threadnought I'm not reading all of, if someone has the ship skill but not the new prerequisite skills will they still be able to fly the ship or must they train the new prereq? If so, does the same apply to further training of the skill?

Alrigh folks, good news.

We'll change the way training works so that you can still train the skills you have after change, even if you don't meet the prerequisite anymore.

Ex:

You have Amarr Freighter 1 after the change but not Advanced Spaceship Command 5. You can still fly the Providence and you will now still be able to train Amarr Freighter past 1 as long as you have the skill injected.


Hope that's clear - trying my very best

Well a shield fleet doesn't need the armoured warfare skill or necessarily the bonus from the skirmish and information warfare.

Perhaps since it is a specialist command ship it should need the specialist skills for the links it would be bonused for it would make more sense and be more race specific and more relative toward the race's ship.

You do realise CCP months ago said that 'line' distinction was vanishing as well. And all the Command ships are being set up to allow for three links, as well as to allow for DPS on all of them when not fitting links.
The two different CS for each race will now fit different weapon systems instead. Trading on the two primary weapon systems for each race.

So lets say I have BC at 5 with all racial cruiser skills at 3, same for destroyers at 5 and all racial frigates at 3, will CCP automatically assign me the racial BC and destroyer skills at 5 each or will they just give me skill points so I can allocate them?

No need to apply, the new skills will be done and placed in your head automagically.

Also, for the Command ships, why not remove the Warfare skills (except Warfare Link Specialist) from Command Ships and add two of them to each Ship and a tertiary requirement?

And what if I'm flying a Charon around right now with Advance Spaceship Command 4, and according to the blog I'll need it at 5, will I still be able to fly it after the implementation?

Yes you will be able to fly your Charon, you will just not be able to train the Freighter skill up any further until you get ASC to V.

Overall I like the skill changes, CC skills could do with some tweaking imho. 1st thing I did after reading the Dev Blog was get Mining Frigate Skill Books and trian them to III on all my chars.

This is all great but...I trained BS V on three races to fly the capitals. If that isn't a requirements any more I'd like those skill points back as I would never have trained them to that degree. That's 100+ days of training another player doing the same thing after these change won't have to do.